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[Lotion Soronarr]

Ozida wrote...

I stand for mages. I had my doubts before, but in DA2 they showed that people with no magic talent could be taken by demons too (it was that Missing Templar quest or something like that). And my first DA:O character was a free-will mage, so it’s more canonical, I guess, for me.

That templar had to be subjected to torture and blood magic for days befire the demon could posses him.
The comparison is redicolous.

It's like saying 100 tons of nytroglicering and a firecracker are the same.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LobselVith8 wrote...
Again, this idea that free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter is disproven by the societies where mages are free, and none of them attempt to emulate the Imperium.

None of those societies CAN emulate the Imperium even if they wanted to.
They are backwards and nomadic, and dying out. And largely because they are led by mages.

[vpacheco1984]

garrusfan1 wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

Leliana: Hates mages and wanted the Exlated March on Kirkwall to kill the mages and hated the fact they were allowed to have fraternities.

Cassandra: She hates mages and wants them all dead or in chains.

Talis: She like all Qunari see mages as animals who need to be collard with their eyes and mouths stitched shut.

Bethany: The mage who hates herself and other mages who believes that it's okay for the mages to be enslaved tortured, raped and beaten on a daily basis.

Evangeline: She is just as bad as Leliana, Cassandra and Talis and would be more then happy to kill all the mages and drop them in mass unmarked graves.

with the exception of tallis and Evangeline I know you are wrong
Leliana took mages out of prison which made the Templars rebel. leliana also didn't hate morrigan for being a mage but for other reasons and she loved wynne. Cassandra didn't seem to be so bad from what I saw she seemed to want  peace. and how the f*** do you get that for Bethany she hated the fact her family had to sacrifice so much and she hated the Templars and thought the circle was horrible. she doesn't believe mages should be kept locked up . if your talking about how she didn't flee the circle or complain about it in the dlcs when you took her along it is more of she was tired of running and worrying about Templars coming through the doors at any time. Bethany even said to fenris there shouldn't be Templars in one of their talks while your walking places. Bethany even said (before the final battle and if she was in the circle) she needs to help her fellow mages. just because she isn't hardcore like anders doesn't mean she hates mages. and I will repeat the fact she only hated her magic because her family had to sacrifice so much to keep her from the circle

Leliana liked Wynne because she is a loyalist, a sniveling belly scraper, in every way but name. She did hate Morrigan for being a mage as well as for being outside the Circle and she didn't kiss Leliana's ass the way Wynne did. Don't forget about the Sebastian DLC in the 3rd act when you go to the keep to speak with the agent of the Divine she says the mages are lucky to be allowed to have their farternities. Making it sound like giving the mages even that much was more then the mages deserved.

Cassandra she did hate mages and I'm pretty sure that her idea of peace is the mages either being dead or back in the circle living in even harsher conditions. You did listen to when she said the word mage right, she spit it out like it was a curse, like the word itself left a bad taste in her mouth.

Bethany did hate herself and other mages. I get this not only from the fact that she turned herself in to the Circle, spiting in her families face, she even says she like the circle only someone who hates themselve could like living in a such an abusive enviorment, they would have to believe they and other like them deserved that abuse. I never heard her ever say she hated templars. So what if she was in the Circle and said she need to help her fellow mages maybe she was actually able to get past that self-hatrad is she maybe liked a mage or most likely she wanted to help the templars in their slaughter of the mages. If she was in the Wardens she screaming for the annulment and wanting to kill all of the mages down to the last man, woman, and child.

Modifié par vpacheco1984, 29 juin 2013 - 06:11 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Again, this idea that free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter is disproven by the societies where mages are free, and none of them attempt to emulate the Imperium.

None of those societies CAN emulate the Imperium even if they wanted to.
They are backwards and nomadic, and dying out. And largely because they are led by mages.

That peoples created absolute monarchy doesn't mean that every society will be lead by absolute monarchy.Society is driven by culture orlais doesn't need magic to become tevinter like country cruel and ruthless thats part of orlesian culture.Ferelden still have ****s but culture is much nicer so country is much better than orlais.You gladly use Tevinter empire as excuse but you don't see that your chantry have a extremly many flaws which include addicting peoples , spreding zealotry and racism towards other races and cultures which not include andrastanizm and acceptance chantry power add for that they use slightest excuse to conquer others and that even don't includes mages and a lot bad stuff towards mages happened only because chantry exist.

[Lotion Soronarr]

*My*....Chantry?

No culture or country is perfect, but most of the stuff you speak of isn't proven.

Addicitng peoples? It's a necessary for templar powers. It's a sacrifice templars make. Not evil.

Spreading zealotry and racism? Not really.

Conquering? Whom? The Dales? There are two sides to that story mind you.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I could tell that use childrens as bombs is not evil just sacrfice is necessary to win war . Not evil yes its evil.

Spreading zealotry and racism yep ask any templar what he thinks about qunari or elves cullen or templar which kidnaps elven hunter if you let feynriel even Wesley overwhelms us saying "the order says" pretty fanatical to me imagine me screaming Islam dictates with hatred to you.There are nice individualists but they are very rare because most of them is brainwashed by culture chantry.

Conquering everyone who perform against them but they don't have enough power to put tevinter down if believe dwarf epilogue card they want conquer them but epilogues sometimes are true other time just rumors hard to say.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 juin 2013 - 06:50 .

[vpacheco1984]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
Again, this idea that free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter is disproven by the societies where mages are free, and none of them attempt to emulate the Imperium.

None of those societies CAN emulate the Imperium even if they wanted to.
They are backwards and nomadic, and dying out. And largely because they are led by mages.

You pro-templars are always screaming the mages are corrupt they will make a new Tevinter. Using the magister as your go to excuse which is getting old since you completely ignore Orlais and Antiva.

Orlais that place is just a corrupt asTevinter they have slaves and everything, don't believe me look up Fiona. And guess what they are all mundane and the center of Chantry power which is also as if not more corrupt as Tevinter. But Tevinter is least honest about their corruption.

Antiva is just as corrupt as Tevinter and Orlais, their biggest claim to fame is the crows which is made up entirely of slaves. Not only that it is mentioned somewhere in the lore about Antiva having a slave trade.

Modifié par vpacheco1984, 29 juin 2013 - 06:53 .

[MisterJB]

LobselVith8 wrote...
In the example of the Dalish clans, we have been told that non-mages can become Keepers (as this was mentioned by Felicia Day),

Not only do you not present a source for this; Felicia Day is hardly a DA writer.

and the elders are also in positions of authority of the clan, to the point where they could refuse a marriage between a Keeper and one of their own.

The elders have as much authority as the Keeper of their clan allows them to have, no more, no less.
Those elders had authority over a member of their own clan, never over the Keeper of another.

As for the seers in Rivaini, they aren't leaders.

World of Thedas page 80 "All decisions involving the welfare of most Rivaini communities rest solely with the eldest women. The most senior of these women are caled seers, who freely practice magic."
So yes, political power in Rivain rests largely with the mages,

Again, this idea that free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter is disproven by the societies where mages are free, and none of them attempt to emulate the Imperium.

And in all of these societies you mentioned, mages are the higher strata with non-mages having to obey them. What exactly is hard to understand about the concept that, even if they don't emulate Tevinter, all examples of society where mages are free inevitably leads to mages dominating non-mages; even if in a benevolent olygarchy; and that some of us have a problem with that. We're not interested in non-mages being second class citizens just so the mages can be free.

[TheKomandorShepard]

MisterJB mages are humans some want rule others want just live with family others want travel around world.You assume that mages are all evil because they want dominate others with evil ruler yes with good ruler not as empress in orlais have absolute power and treat villagers and citizens like trashes which can be killed or raped and only nobility have power , Ferelden treating them much better and they are free even woman from orlais says that in orgins.You can enslave peoples whitout magic orlais is best example and not always power means tyrany.

You asume that mages must be leaders why some can be others can be medics others merchants as others non mages. 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 juin 2013 - 07:16 .

[vpacheco1984]

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...
In the example of the Dalish clans, we have been told that non-mages can become Keepers (as this was mentioned by Felicia Day),

Not only do you not present a source for this; Felicia Day is hardly a DA writer.

and the elders are also in positions of authority of the clan, to the point where they could refuse a marriage between a Keeper and one of their own.

The elders have as much authority as the Keeper of their clan allows them to have, no more, no less.
Those elders had authority over a member of their own clan, never over the Keeper of another.

As for the seers in Rivaini, they aren't leaders.

World of Thedas page 80 "All decisions involving the welfare of most Rivaini communities rest solely with the eldest women. The most senior of these women are caled seers, who freely practice magic."
So yes, political power in Rivain rests largely with the mages,

Again, this idea that free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter is disproven by the societies where mages are free, and none of them attempt to emulate the Imperium.

And in all of these societies you mentioned, mages are the higher strata with non-mages having to obey them. What exactly is hard to understand about the concept that, even if they don't emulate Tevinter, all examples of society where mages are free inevitably leads to mages dominating non-mages; even if in a benevolent olygarchy; and that some of us have a problem with that. We're not interested in non-mages being second class citizens just so the mages can be free.

Now they are societies but I thought you said they were only tribes? Make up your mind.

The Dalish elders have just as much power as the Keeper, they even have vido power besides didn't the  Dalish say that the only decision that the Dalish keepers have power over is where they go and even that isn't completely theirs, it they just communicate with the Halla and lead the Clan were the Halla want to go. 

Don't know about Rivain but what you said is that they are ruled but eldest women, so that means all women are mages? Wow I did not kow that. 

One more questions why is that if a mage is in charge they  are dominating mundane but if a mundane is in charge then they are simply leading other mundane not dominating them. Please explain you extremely screwed up logic to me.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I could tell that use childrens as bombs is not evil just sacrfice is necessary to win war . Not evil yes its evil.

Dude. Templars are adults fully aware of what they are getting into.
SELF-sacrifice, not sacrifice.

Also, sacrifice is sometimes necessary. Wether or not that uncomfortable realtiy of life is something you want to accept or not is another matter.

Spreading zealotry and racism yep ask any templar what he thinks about qunari or elves cullen or templar which kidnaps elven hunter if you let feynriel even Wesley overwhelms us saying "the order says" pretty fanatical to me imagine me screaming Islam dictates with hatred to you.There are nice individualists but they are very rare because most of them is brainwashed by culture chantry.

Meh.
Brainwashed by culture? And you are not? You are zealausly attacking the temaplrs and the chantry because your upbringing and culture dictates so.
Zeal is not a bad thing in itself. People who are utterly unreligious exhibit it on a daily basis.

The order dictates? I assume police officers are brainwashed zealots too, because surely they too believe in the laws they uphold?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I could tell that use childrens as bombs is not evil just sacrfice is necessary to win war . Not evil yes its evil.

Dude. Templars are adults fully aware of what they are getting into.
SELF-sacrifice, not sacrifice.

Also, sacrifice is sometimes necessary. Wether or not that uncomfortable realtiy of life is something you want to accept or not is another matter.

Spreading zealotry and racism yep ask any templar what he thinks about qunari or elves cullen or templar which kidnaps elven hunter if you let feynriel even Wesley overwhelms us saying "the order says" pretty fanatical to me imagine me screaming Islam dictates with hatred to you.There are nice individualists but they are very rare because most of them is brainwashed by culture chantry.

Meh.
Brainwashed by culture? And you are not? You are zealausly attacking the temaplrs and the chantry because your upbringing and culture dictates so.
Zeal is not a bad thing in itself. People who are utterly unreligious exhibit it on a daily basis.

The order dictates? I assume police officers are brainwashed zealots too, because surely they too believe in the laws they uphold?

When somone put me in a cult and rises me there i can smash my head as self-sacrifice it will be fanatical that same like talibans not my choice just cult what rises me...
Nope we have i guess similar culture perhaps you grow up in a totalitarian state that would explain a lot but in my culture i can be who I want to be and i m punished when i do something wrong and trheat well as asnyone not because i may do something or im muslim or the chinese law protect me not abuse my human rights they protect them not lock us in prisons because we may do something bad.Some laws are bad and need be put down others not abuse my freedom better they protect freedom. Police officers are not teach to lock you up because you are muslim or can do something wrongs police oficers can be peoples others cultures they just have codex they are not teaching philosophy and religion law is to protect everyone and their freedom and rights not only christians but you can lock up jew.Law not always is good thing law can be very bad thing see Middle Ages.  

[vpacheco1984]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I could tell that use childrens as bombs is not evil just sacrfice is necessary to win war . Not evil yes its evil.

Dude. Templars are adults fully aware of what they are getting into.
SELF-sacrifice, not sacrifice.

Also, sacrifice is sometimes necessary. Wether or not that uncomfortable realtiy of life is something you want to accept or not is another matter.

Spreading zealotry and racism yep ask any templar what he thinks about qunari or elves cullen or templar which kidnaps elven hunter if you let feynriel even Wesley overwhelms us saying "the order says" pretty fanatical to me imagine me screaming Islam dictates with hatred to you.There are nice individualists but they are very rare because most of them is brainwashed by culture chantry.

Meh.
Brainwashed by culture? And you are not? You are zealausly attacking the temaplrs and the chantry because your upbringing and culture dictates so.
Zeal is not a bad thing in itself. People who are utterly unreligious exhibit it on a daily basis.

The order dictates? I assume police officers are brainwashed zealots too, because surely they too believe in the laws they uphold?

Actually the templars training more often the not recurited as children and teenages.
Brainwashing by culture to attcking the templar and Chantry? Really no anyone who can think rationally would attack templars and Chantry.
Yeah but police don't arrest people for being alive now do they no they up hold the law. They do not say the law dictate, their job is to arrest people and take them in for commiting a crime not for existing.

As for Zeal not being a bad thing. Think again, what about abortion clinic bombings those are caused by people are zealous that abortion is wrong enough to kill a lot of people. That is caused by Zeal are you saying that is a good thing?

[Lotion Soronarr]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

You pro-templars are always screaming the mages are corrupt they will make a new Tevinter. Using the magister as your go to excuse which is getting old since you completely ignore Orlais and Antiva.

Tevinter is irrelevant (altough ultimative inevibatle in the long run if mages are free).
The real danger of mages does not lie in Tevinter.
It lies in mages themselves.
Tevinter or no, if they are free, they are a danger to everyone around them.

[The Hierophant]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

Don't know about Rivain but what you said is that they are ruled but eldest women, so that means all women are mages? Wow I did not know that.

His post said that the eldest freely use magic, so why would a mundane be declared a Seer in a society that values a mage's abilities?

One more questions why is that if a mage is in charge they are dominating mundane but if a mundane is in charge then they are simply leading other mundane not dominating them. Please explain you extremely screwed up logic to me.

Excluding Haven. The Avvar, Rivaini, and Dalish have societies that put mages on a pedestal due to their varying beliefs of superiority. Passing off those societies as examples of peaceful coexistance is laughable when discussing equal treatment.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

You pro-templars are always screaming the mages are corrupt they will make a new Tevinter. Using the magister as your go to excuse which is getting old since you completely ignore Orlais and Antiva.

Tevinter is irrelevant (altough ultimative inevibatle in the long run if mages are free).
The real danger of mages does not lie in Tevinter.
It lies in mages themselves.
Tevinter or no, if they are free, they are a danger to everyone around them.

The real dangers of humans not lie in Iraq
It lies in humans themselves
Iraq or not if they are free, they are danger to everything arund them.
Humans are able kill each other's and even destroy world they may by evil
but still were judge by our actions and lock in prison when we do something bad no one abuse ur rights not beacue we are humans or we can do harm every human have that same rights some laws abuse them others not in which you prefer to live?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 juin 2013 - 08:02 .

[The Hierophant]

Wth does the Gulf Wars have to do with DA's mages being prone to possession by carnivorous chaotic spirits, along with there being violent criminals who'd abuse their powers, while lacking a working system outside of the Templars to counter said threats?

[Mykel54]

The circle of kirkwall was corrupt (read: abominations or blood magic) before Meredith invoked the right of annulment. When she did, all the hidden stuff emerged, but there were many examples of the symptons before, like all these mages: Orsino, Grace, Alain, Huon, Evelina, plus several of the chanter´s board mages. At the end of the game, if you side with the templars, it is revealed just how many blood mages were hiding in there thanks to the protection of the first enchanter.

The worst of them was Orsino of course, even if he had a point about Meredith´s usurping political power. He lied the whole time, and hid what he was, stopping Meredith for doing her job, thus giving her even more reason to keep on power, because the corruption remained. Irving was a much better first enchanter, who was willing to report Jowan and not just interfere constantly with Greagoir´s job.

A lot of good circle mages got killed, and the weak ones got possesed, just because of this corrupt lot. Very few had the wisdom to both not give to blood magic, and do the rational thing and surrender. These ones are truly the ones that have passed the ultimate test over their powers: in a life and death struggle, they remain in control. Unlike Orsino, who went out like the snake he was.

[LobselVith8]

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

In the example of the Dalish clans, we have been told that non-mages can become Keepers (as this was mentioned by Felicia Day),

Not only do you not present a source for this; Felicia Day is hardly a DA writer.

Felicia Day did confer with the writers about the lore for Dragon Age.

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

and the elders are also in positions of authority of the clan, to the point where they could refuse a marriage between a Keeper and one of their own.

The elders have as much authority as the Keeper of their clan allows them to have, no more, no less.
Those elders had authority over a member of their own clan, never over the Keeper of another.

The origin of the Dalish Warden demonstrates that the elders had the authority to refuse a Keeper - i.e. non- mages saying 'no' to a mage.

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

As for the seers in Rivaini, they aren't leaders.

World of Thedas page 80 "All decisions involving the welfare of most Rivaini communities rest solely with the eldest women. The most senior of these women are caled seers, who freely practice magic."
So yes, political power in Rivain rests largely with the mages

The Rivain codex simply mentioned that they were revered, not leaders. And I thought the seers were in the Circle of Rivain, per the Annulment of Rivain entry?

MisterJB wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Again, this idea that free mages automatically lead to another Tevinter is disproven by the societies where mages are free, and none of them attempt to emulate the Imperium. 

And in all of these societies you mentioned, mages are the higher strata with non-mages having to obey them. What exactly is hard to understand about the concept that, even if they don't emulate Tevinter, all examples of society where mages are free inevitably leads to mages dominating non-mages; even if in a benevolent olygarchy; and that some of us have a problem with that. We're not interested in non-mages being second class citizens just so the mages can be free. 

The problem is they aren't Tevinter. You seem to forget there isn't a democracy in Thedas; every society or nation has rulers. Why don't you take issue with the 'nobility' ruling over everyone else? The Dalish also demonstrate that the Keepers aren't despots or tyrants, as Velanna and Merrill are free to leave their clan to pursue their own path.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Hierophant wrote...

Wth does the Gulf Wars have to do with DA's mages being prone to possession by carnivorous chaotic spirits, along with there being violent criminals who'd abuse their powers, while lacking a working system outside of the Templars to counter said threats?

First all humans is being prone be mad or jus **** and can just shoot you or snap your neck on the street and be violent criminal who abuse his power.Mages to be possess must have contact with spirt or veil have to be weak that spirit can contact with mage and then mage must expresse will to be possesed or if demon have physical body forced to deal with demon by torture.If veil is weak spirts can posses everything from trees to humans not just mages.Every one have ability to be evil without demons and you can be dangerous whitout weapon and even weapon can be easily gained from falmethrower made by hairspray and lighter or homemade bomb which requires very little knowledge just read how to make in internet.  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 juin 2013 - 08:28 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

vpacheco1984 wrote...
Brainwashing by culture to attcking the templar and Chantry? Really no anyone who can think rationally would attack templars and Chantry.

And yet I'm a rational human being and me and many others do not. Go figure.

Yeah but police don't arrest people for being alive now do they no they up hold the law. They do not say the law dictate, their job is to arrest people and take them in for commiting a crime not for existing.

They follow the law.
And they would arrest you if the law said they should. And in some countries the laws are such.

Agressive people with mental disorders or people infected with a deadly virus - they would be taken agasint their will by the police/military and segragated.
And not because they are alive, but because they are a danger. You might as well try abandonign that silly strawman.

As for Zeal not being a bad thing. Think again, what about abortion clinic bombings those are caused by people are zealous that abortion is wrong enough to kill a lot of people. That is caused by Zeal are you saying that is a good thing?

A lot of good things are caused by zeal too.
You logic is flawed.
Right now, you are zealously arguing agaisnt the Chantry. You think it's bad and it's slavery.
Then by your own logic, since it's caused by zeal, it's is bad.

[Medhia Nox]

@TheKomandorShepard:

If human A can kill with a knife, but not with a thought.

And human B can kill with both a knife AND a thought.

Would you say they are:

1) Equal
2) Human A is capable of being more dangerous.
3) Human B is capable of being more dangerous.

As for demons.

If Human A does attracts demons at a value of 1 and human B attracts demons at a value ranging from 2 - 10 (representing different power levels of mages). Would you say:

1) Both are equally in danger of attracting demons?
2) Human A would attract more demons?
3) Human B would attract more demons?

===

Also of note - I will require some evidence that a typical Ferelden peasant has access to hairspray or the ingredients to make homemade bombs.

Of course - that doesn't change the fact that not only does a mage have access to those same ingredients - but ALSO magic.

@vpacheco1984:  You're equally as zealous as Lotion.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 29 juin 2013 - 08:32 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
First all humans is being prone be mad or jus **** and can just shoot you or snap your neck on the street and be violent criminal who abuse his power.Mages to be possess must have contact with spirt or veil have to be weak that spirit can contact with mage and then mage must expresse will to be possesed or if demon have physical body forced to deal with demon by torture.If veil is weak spirts can posses everything from trees to humans not just mages.Every one have ability to be evil without demons and you can be dangerous whitout weapon and even weapon can be easily gained from falmethrower made by hairspray and lighter or homemade bomb which requires very little knowledge just read how to make in internet.  

Mages can destroy entire vilalges and bring ruin to people without even wanting it.
Even perfectly sensible, good mages acting for a good cause can utterly destroy everything.
THAT is the problem with mages.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 29 juin 2013 - 08:34 .

[vpacheco1984]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...
Brainwashing by culture to attcking the templar and Chantry? Really no anyone who can think rationally would attack templars and Chantry.

And yet I'm a rational human being and me and many others do not. Go figure.

Yeah but police don't arrest people for being alive now do they no they up hold the law. They do not say the law dictate, their job is to arrest people and take them in for commiting a crime not for existing.

They follow the law.
And they would arrest you if the law said they should. And in some countries the laws are such.

Agressive people with mental disorders or people infected with a deadly virus - they would be taken agasint their will by the police/military and segragated.
And not because they are alive, but because they are a danger. You might as well try abandonign that silly strawman.

As for Zeal not being a bad thing. Think again, what about abortion clinic bombings those are caused by people are zealous that abortion is wrong enough to kill a lot of people. That is caused by Zeal are you saying that is a good thing?

A lot of good things are caused by zeal too.
You logic is flawed.
Right now, you are zealously arguing agaisnt the Chantry. You think it's bad and it's slavery.
Then by your own logic, since it's caused by zeal, it's is bad.

Funny how you say Zeal is a good thing yet don't give an example. Also the Chantry as it is now is bad and the Circle is slavery. Even in the lore with in DA along with several characters say that Mages are PORPERTY of the Chantry. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]vpacheco1984 wrote...

[quote]
Yeah but police don't arrest people for being alive now do they no they up hold the law. They do not say the law dictate, their job is to arrest people and take them in for commiting a crime not for existing.[/quote]

They follow the law.
And they would arrest you if the law said they should. And in some countries the laws are such.

Agressive people with mental disorders or people infected with a deadly virus - they would be taken agasint their will by the police/military and segragated.
And not because they are alive, but because they are a danger. You might as well try abandonign that silly strawman.
[/quote]


Agressive peoples with mental disorder are danger openly act dangerously not because they may be danger they are danger humans can be danger as mages can be danger they not act danger but still lock them up because they may be danger.Abaout law argument this is most pathetic argument what i I heard you said if law say something that should be undeniably followed whitout arguing eee i understand if in some country law say that police should rape womans and torture children that they should because law say that and they are justified because law should be followed...  

Humans too can destroy village without wanting and when he want to humans can destroy whole nations whitout knowing it so... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 juin 2013 - 08:41 .