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[MisterJB]

Plaintiff wrote...
I don't think the demons possess humans as an end goal, I think they do it to breach through to the physical plane.

Now that they can swarm through enmasse, they have no reason to fear humans, and humans have nothing they want.

I remember it being mentioned a few times that demons feed on the essence of humans. Even if they don't, demons wish to experience the physical plane and part of that experience involves human activities such as, for instance, that Desire Demon that was playing house with a templar in "Broken Circle".
We will find one that is interested in humans and present the deal.
And then we will roll it in a carpet and throw it off a bridge.

Modifié par MisterJB, 30 juin 2013 - 06:00 .

[azarhal]

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

[Plaintiff]

MisterJB wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...
I don't think the demons possess humans as an end goal, I think they do it to breach through to the physical plane.

Now that they can swarm through enmasse, they have no reason to fear humans, and humans have nothing they want.

I remember it being mentioned a few times that demons feed on the essence of humans. Even if they don't, demons wish to experience the physical plane and part of that experience involves human activities such as, for instance, that Desire Demon that was playing house with a templar in "Broken Circle".
We will find one that is interested in humans and present the deal.
And then we will roll it in a carpet and throw it off a bridge.

Right, well, when it curses you to eternal slumber, I hope it's at least a good dream.

[MisterJB]

It would be a good alternative option for Inquisitors who don't wish to help the mages.

"If you don't help us, you won't be able to close the Veil.

No need. I got a plan."

[vpacheco1984]

MisterJB wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Until the veil is torn asunder bahahaha.

By fiendish, power-hungry mages.

The the demons will eat them, the temaplrs will kill the demons and the world will be at pece.

Who's gonna close the Veil, with all the mages gone?

Demons could just pour through it forever.

We will approach a demon and explain how the more of its brethren there are in Thedas, the less humans there are to go around. We will make a deal; close the Veil and we will give you ten days of advance before we hunt you.
Once the demon strengthens the Veil like in "Warden's Keep", we will kill it on the spot.

:mellow:Really?

That wouldn't work you can't make a deal like with demons not when they are where they want to be, the real world. Beside whoes to say that the people you send to make this deal with the demons wouldn't fall pray to demon and instread of making your deal they instead take a deal made by the demons. The demon could offer them more power or maybe promising to bring a loved one back to life. And please don't say that mundane are above the influnce of demons we have seen they aren't. 

Just look at Lady Harrowmen, she sacrificed her entier family for the throne of Starkhaven and she wasn't even a mage. Also do you think the demon wouldn't expect to be betrayed? Remember how quickly your companions betrayed you in the fade when the demon made deals with them, it wasn't just Marrill, it was everyone but Anders. 

It could vary well tie the strength of the veil to it's life and when you kill it the veil could tear again even worse then before. Think about it demons are supposed to be older then humans, elves, Qunari, and dwarves, so one demon could be hundrands if not thousands of years old. They probably understand betrayal then the living, really any deal they have ever made with mages or mundane always ends with them betraying the person they made the deal with. 

So in other words without mages to help close the tear in the veil, that could have been opened by any of hundrad way because we know that death in large numbers can thin even tear the veil. So the mundane would be screwed.

[Vort3xX]

Seriously give me the option to be neutral, templars and mages fighting constantly gets annoying so let us kill both their leaders and make some sort of truce or whatever, don't care how we deal with it but i don't want to take any of their sides.

[Fiery Knight]

Templars. Mages can have more freedom, but not "absolute" freedom.

[nebu187]

azarhal wrote...

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

I thought demons targeted mages specifically because of the power they hold? 

Also, I seem to recall the Warden Commander being able to mend the Veil-tears in the Blackmarsh.

[vpacheco1984]

cosima wrote...

azarhal wrote...

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

I thought demons targeted mages specifically because of the power they hold? 

Also, I seem to recall the Warden Commander being able to mend the Veil-tears in the Blackmarsh.

Demons are attracted to mages in the fade because the are brighter then mundane. Like a moth to the flame. They are attracted to the power they can get from mages but they mostly just want get into the real world and experince it.

The only reason the Warden Commander was able to mend the veil-tears in the Blackmarsh is because the warden in the fade itself. They couldn't mend it outside the fade.

[azarhal]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

cosima wrote...

azarhal wrote...

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

I thought demons targeted mages specifically because of the power they hold? 

Also, I seem to recall the Warden Commander being able to mend the Veil-tears in the Blackmarsh.

Demons are attracted to mages in the fade because the are brighter then mundane. Like a moth to the flame. They are attracted to the power they can get from mages but they mostly just want get into the real world and experince it.

Mages are direct gateways (if they accept a deal) to the real world when they are in the Fade, while mundane aren't.

[vpacheco1984]

azarhal wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

cosima wrote...

azarhal wrote...

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

I thought demons targeted mages specifically because of the power they hold? 

Also, I seem to recall the Warden Commander being able to mend the Veil-tears in the Blackmarsh.

Demons are attracted to mages in the fade because the are brighter then mundane. Like a moth to the flame. They are attracted to the power they can get from mages but they mostly just want get into the real world and experince it.

Mages are direct gateways (if they accept a deal) to the real world when they are in the Fade, while mundane aren't.

So trees are mages, animals are mages, corpes are mages. Mages are not the only direct gateway into the real world from the fade.

[LobselVith8]

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

You have absolutely no evidence that any of the elders contested Marethari's decision. None.[/quote]

The Chief Crafter just packed his stuff and left. Given the fact dalish clans are quite a cohesive group, I seriously doubt he would have just left without even trying to tell Marethari she was being crazy. [/quote]

No, he was planning on leaving, and his apprentices were surprised that they were going. There is no dialogue to suggest thst any elder publicly contested Marethari's decision.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The elders had forbidden the union between the two, which is why the Keeper and the hunter had to meet in secret.[/quote]

The elders forbid the Warden's mother; a non-mage; because they had authority over her. They didn't forbid his father, a mage, from anything. [/quote]

That is not what was said.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

It wasn't a front; it simply operated very, very differently than the rest of the Circles in the Andrastian kingdoms, with mages having relationships with their family outside the Circle, and passing on their traditions.[/quote]

The Circle was meant as a place to, basically, keep mages in and keep spirits out. In Rivain, mages were out and spirits were in people.
That sounds like a front. [/quote]

It was run differently by the foreign templars. That doesn't make it a front. And if they were like Wynne (who was bonded to a spirit), it's not the same as being an abomination like Sophia Dryden or Uldred.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

We have no evidence at the moment that suggests the kingdom of Rivain is ruled by a mage. [/quote]

We do know their communities are, though. [/quote]

Having wise women in the village, again, isn't the same as the entire kingdom being ruled by a mage.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Kolgrim was the ruler in Haven, and he wasn't a mage. [/quote]

True but that's the only example you'll find. [/quote]

In a world without democracy, you have mundanes or mages as leaders. You seem to be pointing the finger at mage leaders and ignoring the plethora of my mundane rulers lording over everyone in the Andrastian kingdoms.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

I don't see any reason to condemn the mages. [/quote]

I'm not condemning the mages; not particularly anyway. I'm just saying in most societies they are free in, they end up extablishing themselves as the rulers and that thus, this should be taken into account when discussing a possible independency of the Circles. [/quote]

It would mean the Circles would have autonomy. That's it. The equivalent of the Magi Boon, across the Andrastian kingdoms. The Avvar and the Chasind credit the Witches of the Wild for teaching the early shamans magic, while the Dalish lore reads that all elves were mages once, with the Keeper and the elders currently guiding the clan. I don't see anything to suggest that mages would try to topple the ruling mundane nobles who lord over everyone simply because they aren't controlled by the templars.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

We don't know how the shamans are chosen among the Avvar or the Chasind, while we do know that the Keeper and the First have to earn the right if there are other contenders, like we know from Lanaya's story (where she said she contended with several others for the right to become the First of the clan).[/quote]

And these others were all mages. What if a non-mage is the most qualified to rule? S/he's not even given the opportunity. [/quote]

Unless Felicia Day is correct about non-mage Keepers. We are also moving away from my original point about these societies not trying to replicate the Imperium.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill was the only designated First at the time, when the clans are actively hunted down by the templars, who threaten their lives in the same way that the darkspawn threatened the lives of the people of Amaranthine. I think the comparison is valid.[/quote]

The clans are not at war with the Templars. The lore actually specifically tell us that templars rarely go after the Dalish Keepers. It's not the same as being at war with creatures like the Darkspawn. [/quote]

A war wasn't declared against the darkspawn, but the humans were attacked. It's a similar scenario with the Dalish, who are under threat from the templars. And the reason the Dalish are nomadic is because the templars hunt them down.

[quote]MisterJB wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

And I don't see anyone arguing that non-mages should be dominated by mages, so I don't see the point to this kind of language. [/quote]

Perhaps you should be more careful with your own choice of words. If I say that mages inevitably dominate non-mages and you start saying things like how the Dalish are so much freer than human kingdoms, it sounds like you're accepting this domination and trying to justify it. [/quote]

The Dalish are governed by the Keeper and the elders; pretending otherwise doesn't help your vilification of the mages.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 30 juin 2013 - 07:03 .

[Silfren]

I think part of the problem here is that MisterJB seems to conflate mage leadership with mage domination, and mage domination with the tyrannical subjugation of mundanes.

Mages being in leadership positions does not mean that we're just a hair's breadth away from Tevinter.  Yes, the potential is there; that should go without saying.  But the inevitability of a decline into tyranny is not a given.

I do remember lore from the game indicating that only Keepers and their Firsts ever lead Dalish clans.  Never heard or read anything about lore that refutes this, but if so...well, damn, but at this point it's just another plot inconsistency.  Even so, that for the Dalish it is a tradition (I'm going with the original lore, here) that only Keepers lead the clans, this alone does not mean that the Dalish are obligated by tradition or anything else to accept tyrannical leaders.  We know that the Dalish do have it as a clan prerogative to hunt down and kill Keepers which become abominations.  This would imply that the clans have historical precedent for having to deal with this outcome, and thus it's not unreasonable to consider that they actually know how to fight abominations. 

At any rate, we have no reason at all to think that the Dalish are oblivious to the potential danger of free-ranging mages.  It can stand to reason that they are not a diaster waiting to happen, due to not having Circle cages or Chantry-trained templars in their ranks.

With this in mind, it's not unreasonable to consider that the Dalish only allow their mage Keepers to rule.  To the best of my knowledge the lore is absolutely silent on how the rule of law works among the Dalish.  Who is to say that the Dalish don't have a means in place of dealing with Keepers who take it upon themselves to become despotic?

This is mostly an aside, but I can't help but wonder if there's a justified basis for the tradition of having mages be the leaders of Dalish clans.  Perhaps the Keepers know something that is as yet unrevealed that makes it critical for a mage to be the one to lead the clans/keep the old knowledge.  They are, after all, connected in some mysterious way to Flemeth, of all people.

[The Elder King]

 Of course the dalish are connected with Flemeth. She's Fen'harel in disguise.:innocent:

[vpacheco1984]

hhh89 wrote...

 She's Fen'harel in disguise.:innocent:

It wouldn't surprise me if it was revealed that she really is Fen'harel.

[azarhal]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

cosima wrote...

azarhal wrote...

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

I thought demons targeted mages specifically because of the power they hold? 

Also, I seem to recall the Warden Commander being able to mend the Veil-tears in the Blackmarsh.

Demons are attracted to mages in the fade because the are brighter then mundane. Like a moth to the flame. They are attracted to the power they can get from mages but they mostly just want get into the real world and experince it.

Mages are direct gateways (if they accept a deal) to the real world when they are in the Fade, while mundane aren't.

So trees are mages, animals are mages, corpes are mages. Mages are not the only direct gateway into the real world from the fade.

Tree, animal or corpse get taken over after the demon has crossed the veil through a tear or by being summoned by blood magic (which can be executed by either a mage or a powerful demon). Mages become gateways when they accept a deal in the Fade.

[Silfren]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

 She's Fen'harel in disguise.:innocent:

It wouldn't surprise me if it was revealed that she really is Fen'harel.

Yeah, I know.  That's been my pet theory from the beginning.

[vpacheco1984]

azarhal wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

azarhal wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

cosima wrote...

azarhal wrote...

cosima wrote...

Speaking of possession, a thought recently occured to me on this subject. Let's suppose, hypothetically, that there were no mages in the world (or that their population were drastically reduced through genocide), in such a scenario, would the demons be any less inclined to gain a foothold outside of the Fade? Granted, by possessing non-mages, they'd be less powerful, but arguably infinitely more dangerous due to the greater difficulty of identifying them. Of course, there's no tangible way to verify this because demonology is considered taboo, but if this were the case then you could argue that mages do the world a favour by their very existence and that targeting them for extinction would be a grave mistake.

Demons do not give a crap about mages, they just want to cross over so they can "experience" the world.

They have no issues using corpses, trees or animals as host. They don't even need an host once they cross the veil anyway, see shades, ash wraiths and all the ones we encountered that used their true form. Demons don't need a mage to get through either, the only thing required is a passage through the Veil, aka a tear.

A demon will always go through a tear if it find one. Veil tear can be created by great bloodshed, no magic required (there are magical way of doing it though). According to the codex, Veil tears might be impossible to mend as well.

I thought demons targeted mages specifically because of the power they hold? 

Also, I seem to recall the Warden Commander being able to mend the Veil-tears in the Blackmarsh.

Demons are attracted to mages in the fade because the are brighter then mundane. Like a moth to the flame. They are attracted to the power they can get from mages but they mostly just want get into the real world and experince it.

Mages are direct gateways (if they accept a deal) to the real world when they are in the Fade, while mundane aren't.

So trees are mages, animals are mages, corpes are mages. Mages are not the only direct gateway into the real world from the fade.

Tree, animal or corpse get taken over after the demon has crossed the veil through a tear or by being summoned by blood magic (which can be executed by either a mage or a powerful demon). Mages become gateways when they accept a deal in the Fade.

You're rigth. Sorry I'm misread your post.

Modifié par vpacheco1984, 30 juin 2013 - 08:22 .

[The Elder King]

Silfren wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

 She's Fen'harel in disguise.:innocent:

It wouldn't surprise me if it was revealed that she really is Fen'harel.

Yeah, I know.  That's been my pet theory from the beginning.

Agreed. Plus, with the possibility of dragon being sealed above earth, in the Fade, and not only underground (like the Old Gods), my theory of the Chantry and the dalish narrating parts of the same story, with Fen'harel=the Maker, is coming out nicely. 

[Silfren]

hhh89 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

 She's Fen'harel in disguise.:innocent:

It wouldn't surprise me if it was revealed that she really is Fen'harel.

Yeah, I know.  That's been my pet theory from the beginning.

Agreed. Plus, with the possibility of dragon being sealed above earth, in the Fade, and not only underground (like the Old Gods), my theory of the Chantry and the dalish narrating parts of the same story, with Fen'harel=the Maker, is coming out nicely. 

I'm not the only one!  Yay!

Achem.  Sorry.  I've just thought that Bioware was all but rubbing our collective noses in it.  The lore practically screams that Flemeth is Fen'Harel, and that Fan'Harel is what the Chantry calls the Maker.

[vpacheco1984]

hhh89 wrote...

Silfren wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

 She's Fen'harel in disguise.:innocent:

It wouldn't surprise me if it was revealed that she really is Fen'harel.

Yeah, I know.  That's been my pet theory from the beginning.

Agreed. Plus, with the possibility of dragon being sealed above earth, in the Fade, and not only underground (like the Old Gods), my theory of the Chantry and the dalish narrating parts of the same story, with Fen'harel=the Maker, is coming out nicely. 

Especially considering the dragon that came out of the fade, or at least seemed to come out of the fade, in the trailer, it looked like Flemeth's dragon form.

Modifié par vpacheco1984, 30 juin 2013 - 08:39 .

[The Elder King]

Silfren wrote...



I'm not the only one!  Yay!

Achem.  Sorry.  I've just thought that Bioware was all but rubbing our collective noses in it.  The lore practically screams that Flemeth is Fen'Harel, and that Fan'Harel is what the Chantry calls the Maker.

I alway thought that this was a high possibility, The news about dragons in the comics (told by one of Flemeth's daughters, what a coincidence), and the trailer, with a dragon that is supposed to appear from the bleach of the Veil (in above earth, where the elven Gods are supposed to be sealed) the theory a lot of credit. And it's the most logical reason (in my opinion) for explaining Flemeth's interest in Urthemiel's soul.
Of course, everything is possibile, but at this point I'm a lot confident about this. 

Modifié par hhh89, 30 juin 2013 - 08:50 .

[azarhal]

vpacheco1984 wrote...

Especially considering the dragon that came out of the fade, or at least seemed to come out of the fade, in the trailer, it looked like Flemeth's dragon form.

I don't understand how people came to the conclusion that the two-horned green dragon in the trailer is anywhere near the multi-horned purple dragon form(s) of Flemeth.  Dragon in the trailer vs Flemeth's dragon forms DAO and DA2.

[Silfren]

hhh89 wrote...

Silfren wrote...



I'm not the only one!  Yay!

Achem.  Sorry.  I've just thought that Bioware was all but rubbing our collective noses in it.  The lore practically screams that Flemeth is Fen'Harel, and that Fan'Harel is what the Chantry calls the Maker.

I alway thought that this was a high possibility, The news about dragons in the comics (told by one of Flemeth's daughters, what a coincidence), and the trailer, with a dragon that is supposed to appear from the bleach of the Veil (in above earth, where the elven Gods are supposed to be sealed) the theory a lot of credit. And it's the most logical reason (in my opinion) for explaining Flemeth's interest in Urthemiel's soul.
Of course, everything is possibile, but at this point I'm a lot confident about this. 

Bleach of the Veil.  I'm so stealing that.  *snigger*

[Silfren]

azarhal wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...

Especially considering the dragon that came out of the fade, or at least seemed to come out of the fade, in the trailer, it looked like Flemeth's dragon form.

I don't understand how people came to the conclusion that the two-horned green dragon in the trailer is anywhere near the multi-horned purple dragon form(s) of Flemeth.  Dragon in the trailer vs Flemeth's dragon forms DAO and DA2.

Flemeth is a shapeshifter.  Where is it written that all her dragon forms must look exactly the same?