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[In Exile]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@In Exile: There's an ancient immortal elf that supports my "all elves gained immortality through blood magic" theory?

Who?

I was just referencing Zathrian, and using "ancient" in the way we would IRL, tongue-in-cheek, rather than in the RPG sense, which usually means from the dawn of time or something.

[KainD]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

.... so slavers and mages using blood magic and sacerficing elves is prefectly fine....

Same moral level as what templars stand for, both are not fine. But if I have to pick a side, I will pick mages, just because I like shiny spells more. 

[Bardox9]

The Templar order was a good idea, but when you fill your ranks with xenophobes and sadists things go bad. Cullen's views are about as extreme as a Templar should be allowed to have. He has a healthy respect of magic and it's dangers. His ordeal in DA:O has made him mistrustful of all mages, but for someone in his position, that is a good thing. The mages cannot be a Templars friend. They are his/her charges. And should the worst come to pass, there can be no hesitation to... do what must be done.

All that being said, Mages are my favorite class. Not a good starter, but if build them right you have a juggernaut that can solo a high dragon. Build them wrong and you have a stale dry biscuit. In DA:O my main is a arcane/blood mage. In DA2 elemental/force/blood mage. As I said earlier I see nothing wrong with blood magic until you start sucking the life out of other people to fuel your spells.

[mrpoultry]

I'll stand at an obtuse angle while eating a basket of sweet popcorn.

[El Dude 9]

I hope theres a pro chantery option. It hasn't been sown much but templars and chantry are different. Wynne touched base on it in DA:O. If thats not an option probably pro mage i usually side with them.

[Warden Inquisitor]

Hmmm I don't like the idea of being cooped up in a stone Tower, being fed lies saying that I am too dangerous. I may not play as a mage, but I will support any freedom that they deserve.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I will never understand peoples who are against templars but support tevinter (unless their philosophy is stronger will survive) for me both they are di*** made by two different corupted cultures i support freedom for everyone and both tevinter and templars are opposites freedom.On on side we have templars fanatics consumed by hate and fear not only towards mages on other we have tevinter where racial problems are much smaller but they are consumed by greed like orlesians but whitout racism.

Oh?
Me loves such sstupid generalizations.

"consumed by hate and fear"? What strong, loaded words. But, I guess it makes it easier to hold your position if you constructa fictional bubble that turns everyone opposing it into natzi's.

[Warden Inquisitor]

I like the idea of Mage's being able to inherit titles and own land. Nobody has a problem with a mage being the Arl (Warden-Commander is the equivalent, but still) of Amaranthine, not evee an Elf or Dwarf commander.

Modifié par Warden Inquisitor, 08 juillet 2013 - 09:48 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

I will never understand peoples who are against templars but support tevinter (unless their philosophy is stronger will survive) for me both they are di*** made by two different corupted cultures i support freedom for everyone and both tevinter and templars are opposites freedom.On on side we have templars fanatics consumed by hate and fear not only towards mages on other we have tevinter where racial problems are much smaller but they are consumed by greed like orlesians but whitout racism.

Oh?
Me loves such sstupid generalizations.

"consumed by hate and fear"? What strong, loaded words. But, I guess it makes it easier to hold your position if you constructa fictional bubble that turns everyone opposing it into natzi's.

Hah don't make me laugh that is fact you can't understand  templars hate mages read quotes from Asunder in thread Mage Manifesto page 37 , now play dragon age 2 send feynriel to dalish and in begining act 2 go to sundermount and hear nice dialogue between elf and templars , now play as mage and in prologue and watch Wesley reaction you surely take that as symbol of tolerancy and love , now ask Cullen about Qunari...
Not my problem that you are blind.



1:00 more but this series would be treat the half-serious

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 juillet 2013 - 10:51 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mage Manifesto? That thread? Yeah right.

You people like to take quotes out of context nd apply individual cases as a general principle.
So no. You are wrong.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Mage Manifesto? That thread? Yeah right.

You people like to take quotes out of context nd apply individual cases as a general principle.
So no. You are wrong.

Hah wrong nope i give you evidences , want more speak with Cullen first time when you play as mage in first DA he tell you that many templars gladly will kill mage , listen dialogues in gallows between templars they call mages robes (which is an offense) .

Specifically for you two quotes from asunder

"Few of the tower’s templars were kind, and most believed that mages
constantly conspired to commit unspeakable horrors . . . when the truth
was usually much more mundane. Most of their
conversation consisted of gossip."

"-You think I don’t know every templar in the tower by now?
-Some of them far better than I’d like. She touched the bruise on
her cheek, and the elven boy scowled but said nothing."

So yeah that just not truth and they love them and respect just my imagination you want more?

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 juillet 2013 - 11:36 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Quote those as much a you like. They don't prove what you think they do.

I don't see "all templars are consumed by hate and fear" there.

I see the oppinions of ONE mage which states that most templars he knows (from ONE Circle...after Kirkwall) don't trust mages or are paranoid (DUH!)
Also the oppion of an other mage which basicly states that some templar smacked her.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Quote those as much a you like. They don't prove what you think they do.

I don't see "all templars are consumed by hate and fear" there.

I see the oppinions of ONE mage which states that most templars he knows (from ONE Circle...after Kirkwall) don't trust mages or are paranoid (DUH!)
Also the oppion of an other mage which basicly states that some templar smacked her.

facepalm quote is from cole who is invisible and can hear (and see how templars treat mages he is even victim) what templars said second quote cole listens during conversation beetwen mages if you want more.

But im not surprised that you don't see hate because you hate them too as i said in other topic you probably decided that templar raping mage is love act...

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 08 juillet 2013 - 12:18 .

[EnerPrime]

See, the way I see it is that Mages do need some form of instruction on how to properly use their powers and resist demons. There should also be some sort of specialised force to take down criminal mages.

But the Chantry and the Templars should never have been the group in charge of this.

The Chantry started a war of conversion or genocide on the Elves of the Dales. They preach fear and hate for mages and anyone who does not follow their law. They tout mages ad pretty much the source of all evil in this world. You do not put people like this in charge of mages. It's like putting the people who make Sentinels in charge of Mutant prisons in the Marvel Comics universe. It's a stupid idea that can only end in death and bloodshed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Quote those as much a you like. They don't prove what you think they do.

I don't see "all templars are consumed by hate and fear" there.

I see the oppinions of ONE mage which states that most templars he knows (from ONE Circle...after Kirkwall) don't trust mages or are paranoid (DUH!)
Also the oppion of an other mage which basicly states that some templar smacked her.

facepalm quote is from cole who is invisible and can hear (and see how templars treat mages he is even victim) what templars said second quote cole listens during conversation beetwen mages if you want more.

But im not surprised that you don't see hate because you hate them too as i said in other topic you probably decided that templar raping mage is love act...

Cole? The demon-thing?

Yeah, I'm going to value It's oppinion that much more.

You just don't seem to get it. There is no omniscent narrator. We get ONE point of view from ONE (or a few, highly biased) person(s) inside ONE circle.


And oh gee...we now have accusations of condoning rape.
lovely.

This conversation has truly reached new intellectual heights.

[Lotion Soronarr]

EnerPrime wrote...
The Chantry started a war of conversion or genocide on the Elves of the Dales. They preach fear and hate for mages and anyone who does not follow their law.

False.
Learn your facts.

[vpacheco1984]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

EnerPrime wrote...
The Chantry started a war of conversion or genocide on the Elves of the Dales. They preach fear and hate for mages and anyone who does not follow their law.

False.
Learn your facts.

Nope that is 100% true. They all but wiped out the Elves of the Dales and then forced the survivors in Alienages. They do preach fear and hate of mages and what do you call them slaughtering what was three or four towns down to the last man woman and child for converting to the Qun when they refused to convert to Andrastism. Then dumped them in mass graves. 

[BlueMagitek]

It doesn't make sense for Orlais to have struck first against the Dales. There are arguments for it elsewhere, but if the Dales wanted Orlais to leave their borders, why did they continue to rampage into the (war torn from the previous blight) country before sacking their capital?

The Exalted March was called, and succeeded, because the Dales had no friends. They really brought it on themselves by keeping out of the previous Blight and generally sucking at diplomacy.

[Hellion Rex]

BlueMagitek wrote...

It doesn't make sense for Orlais to have struck first against the Dales. There are arguments for it elsewhere, but if the Dales wanted Orlais to leave their borders, why did they continue to rampage into the (war torn from the previous blight) country before sacking their capital?

The Exalted March was called, and succeeded, because the Dales had no friends. They really brought it on themselves by keeping out of the previous Blight and generally sucking at diplomacy.

But does not helping in a Blight justify genocide? Although I do not disagree that the Dales shot to hell any chances of diplomacy due to their inaction in the 2nd Blight

[Bardox9]

El Dude 9 wrote...

I hope theres a pro chantery option. It hasn't been sown much but templars and chantry are different. Wynne touched base on it in DA:O. If thats not an option probably pro mage i usually side with them.

The Templars were originally called "The Inquisition" (hense the title of the next game). They believed in the teachings of the chantry and roamed the lands in search of anything that endangered humanity. Be they blood mages, abominations, cultists, or heretics. The chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under their banner as their military arm. The group was split into the "Seekers of Truth" and the "Templar Order" with the signing of the Nevarran Accord. Together they formed the Circle of Magi. After the events in DA2, the circle is broken and the head of the Templars/Seekers, disgucted by the divines inaction, declared the accord null and void. The Inqusition is born anew.

Seems most in Thedas (and some in RL who never read the codexs or books) had forgotten the templars and chantry were not one and the same, but two seperate entities working together for a common goal.... Well they know now.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Quote those as much a you like. They don't prove what you think they do.

I don't see "all templars are consumed by hate and fear" there.

I see the oppinions of ONE mage which states that most templars he knows (from ONE Circle...after Kirkwall) don't trust mages or are paranoid (DUH!)
Also the oppion of an other mage which basicly states that some templar smacked her.

facepalm quote is from cole who is invisible and can hear (and see how templars treat mages he is even victim) what templars said second quote cole listens during conversation beetwen mages if you want more.

But im not surprised that you don't see hate because you hate them too as i said in other topic you probably decided that templar raping mage is love act...

Cole? The demon-thing?

Yeah, I'm going to value It's oppinion that much more.

You just don't seem to get it. There is no omniscent narrator. We get ONE point of view from ONE (or a few, highly biased) person(s) inside ONE circle.


And oh gee...we now have accusations of condoning rape.
lovely.

This conversation has truly reached new intellectual heights.

Yeah cole lies himself and don't see what's happening in circle you trying to tell me that they don't hate them this is shown in every da and books so i don't see why not . And going by your logic demon-thing is what lambert said a psycho who like beat mages. And that point of view is shown by someone who hear and see what's happening in tower more than anyone... 

[Lotion Soronarr]

vpacheco1984 wrote...
Nope that is 100% true. They all but wiped out the Elves of the Dales and then forced the survivors in Alienages. They do preach fear and hate of mages and what do you call them slaughtering what was three or four towns down to the last man woman and child for converting to the Qun when they refused to convert to Andrastism. Then dumped them in mass graves.

Wrong. The Dalish attacked first.
The Dalish would have been completely anihilated were it not for the Chantry.
Also, they preach (justified) fear, not hate.

Also, if the Exhalted Marches are anything like the crusades, the the Chantry doesn't have direct control over the armies, but rather the kings and lords do.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...
Nope that is 100% true. They all but wiped out the Elves of the Dales and then forced the survivors in Alienages. They do preach fear and hate of mages and what do you call them slaughtering what was three or four towns down to the last man woman and child for converting to the Qun when they refused to convert to Andrastism. Then dumped them in mass graves.

Wrong. The Dalish attacked first.
The Dalish would have been completely anihilated were it not for the Chantry.
Also, they preach (justified) fear, not hate.

Also, if the Exhalted Marches are anything like the crusades, the the Chantry doesn't have direct control over the armies, but rather the kings and lords do.

And you said that because what codex say that I thought codex is unimportant for you and only for player but still you follow codex when it is convenient...

[Hellion Rex]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

vpacheco1984 wrote...
Nope that is 100% true. They all but wiped out the Elves of the Dales and then forced the survivors in Alienages. They do preach fear and hate of mages and what do you call them slaughtering what was three or four towns down to the last man woman and child for converting to the Qun when they refused to convert to Andrastism. Then dumped them in mass graves.

Wrong. The Dalish attacked first.
The Dalish would have been completely anihilated were it not for the Chantry.
Also, they preach (justified) fear, not hate.

Also, if the Exhalted Marches are anything like the crusades, the the Chantry doesn't have direct control over the armies, but rather the kings and lords do.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Exalted_Marches
It seems unclear who exactly attacked first in the conflict. To be fair tensions were high due to the elves inaction during the 2nd Blight.  

[BlueMagitek]

eluvianix wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

It doesn't make sense for Orlais to have struck first against the Dales. There are arguments for it elsewhere, but if the Dales wanted Orlais to leave their borders, why did they continue to rampage into the (war torn from the previous blight) country before sacking their capital?

The Exalted March was called, and succeeded, because the Dales had no friends. They really brought it on themselves by keeping out of the previous Blight and generally sucking at diplomacy.

But does not helping in a Blight justify genocide? Although I do not disagree that the Dales shot to hell any chances of diplomacy due to their inaction in the 2nd Blight

Well, look at it this way. By not assisting in the Blight, the Dales were condoning the rape and cannabalism of the human, dwarvern and (eventually) elven people.

So, yes.