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[LobselVith8]

garrusfan1 wrote...

ah the chantry didn't start the elf hating and people thinking of them as less then humans. tevinter has had elven slaves long before the chantry and many humans always felt that. you can say the chantry made some people hate mages but you cannont blame the chantry for the elves lives.

The Dalish say the humans turned cold towards them because they followed the Creators, instead of the Maker, and we know how some Andrastians view non-Andrastians as "heathens". You can blame the Chantry for vilifying mages in the name of religion, and you can blame them for the institutionalized racism of Andrastian society. The Andrastian Chantry even struck Shartan and his accomplishments from the cantices.

garrusfan1 wrote...

and they started that war by destroying the chantry they built in the dales

There was no Chantry in the Dales. The elves followed the Creators. The Dalish (and possibly the elven Warden) claim the Chantry started the war by invading their sovereign territory with templars because the elves refused to convert to the Andrastian Chantry, and kicked out human missionaries from their kingdom.

[Bionuts]

Twould be better to kill every mage in existence. Will never happen, though.

[cjones91]

Bionuts wrote...

Twould be better to kill every mage in existence. Will never happen, though.

 Even if it was you would have the blood of thousands of children on your hands.

[kjkkjkkjk67]

in DAO i was on the templar's side, in DA2 i was on mage's. Mostle my chose is not a principle but personal matter.

[Bionuts]

cjones91 wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Twould be better to kill every mage in existence. Will never happen, though.

 Even if it was you would have the blood of thousands of children on your hands.

I'd let a million children die to save one person being enslaved into a statue for eternity.

[cjones91]

Bionuts wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Twould be better to kill every mage in existence. Will never happen, though.

 Even if it was you would have the blood of thousands of children on your hands.

I'd let a million children die to save one person being enslaved into a statue for eternity.

And it would be your conscious that has to deal with those deaths.

[Bionuts]

cjones91 wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Bionuts wrote...

Twould be better to kill every mage in existence. Will never happen, though.

 Even if it was you would have the blood of thousands of children on your hands.

I'd let a million children die to save one person being enslaved into a statue for eternity.

And it would be your conscious that has to deal with those deaths.

No choice available in that situation would leave my conscious well, but the idea of someone being trapped in a statue forever is infinitely worse.

[Lotion Soronarr]

LobselVith8 wrote...
You can blame the Chantry for vilifying mages in the name of religion, and you can blame them for the institutionalized racism of Andrastian society.

No.
You want to blame hte Chatnry for every friggin thing that is wrong in thedas apprently.

The Chantry isn't villifying mages.
As far as almost everyone in TheDas is concerned, mages causing the cataclyism is a historical, accepted fact. And mages ARE dangerous, so I don't see what "lies" the Chantry is spreading.

Also, there is no institutionalized racism.

[Jigglypuff]

They can destroy each other for all I care, I hope we have the option to egg it on actually.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The racism present in most human societies predates the Andraste and is not the fault of the Chantry.

[RobRam10]

Its time for the Imperium to regain its dominion over Thedas!

[Angrywolves]

For true justice not vengeance .
Malificarum and blood mages should be executed.
Templars who commit genocide against innocent mages should be executed .
A balancing act on the scales of Lady Justice, as Nancy Grace would say.
Rotfl.

[Bardox9]

Abomination are to be executed.
Malificarum (aka blood mages) and those apprentices who are too weak willed to resist demonic influence are to be made tranquile.
Templars who kill a mage or unjustly force tranquility upon a mage gets smacked on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and told "Bad templar. Bad. No no no.... Now get back to your post."

The scales are anything but balanced.

[The Love Runner]

They're all screwed by The Fade unless the Inquisitor can resolve the war and have them work together against it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Bardox9 wrote...

Abomination are to be executed.
Malificarum (aka blood mages) and those apprentices who are too weak willed to resist demonic influence are to be made tranquile.
Templars who kill a mage or unjustly force tranquility upon a mage gets smacked on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and told "Bad templar. Bad. No no no.... Now get back to your post."

The scales are anything but balanced.

Wait... are you trying to advocate "Abominations' rights"?  Because there is a reason for why they are killed....
Maleficars, usually don't get made tranquil, since the Rite of Tranquility is actually seen as a mercy. Maleficars are either imprisoned or executed. An apprentice without the sufficient power to, or the will to, complete the Harrowing, become Tranquil, because the alternative, would possibly be to become an abomination. Between the two, most would probably find tranquility the vastly preferable fate.

And in DA2 we hear the sounds of whiping from inside the Templar quarters of the Gallows, so obviously there is some sort of punishment system going on with the Templars. Though of course we don't know why the person was being whiped. Though, we also have sources telling us, that a Templar who cheated his way to additional lyrium, was locked up in a small cell, and made write his confession.

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You can blame the Chantry for vilifying mages in the name of religion, and you can blame them for the institutionalized racism of Andrastian society.

No.
You want to blame hte Chatnry for every friggin thing that is wrong in thedas apprently.

I think the enslavement of mages and subjugation of elves is reason enough to condemn the Chantry of Andraste.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Chantry isn't villifying mages.
As far as almost everyone in TheDas is concerned, mages causing the cataclyism is a historical, accepted fact. And mages ARE dangerous, so I don't see what "lies" the Chantry is spreading. 

Vilifying all mages as cursed, and giving templars dominion over them in the name of the Maker, because a Chantry fable claims five Magisters created the darkspawn and started the Blight suggests otherwise. It's why non-Andrastians have different attitudes towards magic and mages.

[Sir DeLoria]

Meh, I have the same stance towards mages as Alistair. Still sided with the Templars in DA2, even when playing as a mage.

Blood Magic is a no-go though, no matter the circumstances.

[cjones91]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

You can blame the Chantry for vilifying mages in the name of religion, and you can blame them for the institutionalized racism of Andrastian society.

No.
You want to blame hte Chatnry for every friggin thing that is wrong in thedas apprently.

I think the enslavement of mages and subjugation of elves is reason enough to condemn the Chantry of Andraste.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Chantry isn't villifying mages.
As far as almost everyone in TheDas is concerned, mages causing the cataclyism is a historical, accepted fact. And mages ARE dangerous, so I don't see what "lies" the Chantry is spreading. 

Vilifying all mages as cursed, and giving templars dominion over them in the name of the Maker, because a Chantry fable claims five Magisters created the darkspawn and started the Blight suggests otherwise. It's why non-Andrastians have different attitudes towards magic and mages.

This makes me wish some unknown land(and there are unexplored lands beyond Thedas) who actually embraced and harness magic came in and curbstomped the Chantry controlled lands of Thedas.Thedas is stagnant because the Chantry keeps the people fearful when they should be using magic to create things that could not be rivaled.

But just like the Dark Ages in real life the Chantry willfully and intentionally keeps the people of Thedas ignorant and stifles any attempts of using magic to improve the lives of everyone.

Modifié par cjones91, 14 juillet 2013 - 05:53 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Bardox9 wrote...

Abomination are to be executed.
Malificarum (aka blood mages) and those apprentices who are too weak willed to resist demonic influence are to be made tranquile.
Templars who kill a mage or unjustly force tranquility upon a mage gets smacked on the nose with a rolled up newspaper and told "Bad templar. Bad. No no no.... Now get back to your post."

The scales are anything but balanced.

What should the Templars do to a renegade instead? Imprisonment, execution? They couldn't afford that.

[Star fury]

I'd rather see better and LOGICALLY motivated villain mages - not lunatic Uldred(maybe Winne should be partially accountable for his desent into madness), not dumb and insane Orsino. Show their reasons to rebel against templars and Chantry, show where they're right and where they're wrong.

i.e. show how templars frame and execute innocent mage. Also show credible mage conspiracy against templars.

And I want Bioware to show competent and reasonable templars. When Cullen, the worst templar in DAO, is the BEST damn one in DA2, they're in deep trouble.

P.S. I would love to get charismatic and outspoken Templar leader with "final solution" agenda against mages. Let mages kill her/his entire family and even her/his dog.

Modifié par Star fury, 14 juillet 2013 - 06:27 .

[The Hierophant]

cjones91 wrote...

This makes me wish some unknown land(and there are unexplored lands beyond Thedas) who actually embraced and harness magic came in and curbstomped the Chantry controlled lands of Thedas.Thedas is stagnant because the Chantry keeps the people fearful when they should be using magic to create things that could not be rivaled.

But just like the Dark Ages in real life the Chantry willfully and intentionally keeps the people of Thedas ignorant and stifles any attempts of using magic to improve the lives of everyone.

Ugh all that situation would lead to is Andraste/Chantry 2.0. The Qunari are more anti mage than the Chantry yet they're more technologically/medically advanced than Tevinter, and Orzammar too. Even without the Chantry's restrictions on magic, it's applications or advances would only benefit a select minority versus technological innovations that can be used by anyone.

The one known area of study the Chantry hindered is medical research, due to the ban on cadavers.

[cjones91]

The Hierophant wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

This makes me wish some unknown land(and there are unexplored lands beyond Thedas) who actually embraced and harness magic came in and curbstomped the Chantry controlled lands of Thedas.Thedas is stagnant because the Chantry keeps the people fearful when they should be using magic to create things that could not be rivaled.

But just like the Dark Ages in real life the Chantry willfully and intentionally keeps the people of Thedas ignorant and stifles any attempts of using magic to improve the lives of everyone.

Ugh all that situation would lead to is Andraste/Chantry 2.0. The Qunari are more anti mage than the Chantry yet they're more technologically/medically advanced than Tevinter, and Orzammar too. Even without the Chantry's restrictions on magic, it's applications or advances would only benefit a select minority versus technological innovations that can be used by anyone.

The one known area of study the Chantry hindered is medical research, due to the ban on cadavers.

I slightly disagree with the assumption that technology that was created with magic would only benefit a minority.Even if it did atleast everyone would have access to it like for example if someone wanted to buy medicine that was made from magic then they could do so.Mages would have assigned jobs like using fire for smithing,cooking and lighting torches.

Spirit healers and any mage that know basic healing magic can open up their own clinics in towns the people could benefit from(just imagine how much the lives of the common people in Thedas would be improved if spirit healers were able to use their talents without being demonized by a group that is completely ignorant of the differences between demons and spirits.)

I highly doubt all of the unexplored lands are like the Qunari because there may be some who have blended magic and technology together and use both for everyday life,

Modifié par cjones91, 14 juillet 2013 - 08:44 .

[stonemyst]

Well only a mage has the power of choice to burn down a whole city or force people to do there will with blood magic. I would have to be on Templar side unless all had magic they could do.

[cjones91]

stonemyst wrote...

Well only a mage has the power of choice to burn down a whole city or force people to do there will with blood magic. I would have to be on Templar side unless all had magic they could do.

 A person with a torch can set a village on fire if he/she is lucky,nobles can do whatever they want to city elves and rape their women.Everybody is capable of doing depraved acts so mages aren't special in that regard.