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[Lotion Soronarr]

Eveangaline wrote...

It'd be interesting if a mage pc had the chance to be taken over by demons. Without it, the anti-mage arguments seem so weak.

It will never happen. Becasue that would be game over.
And because games like DA are a power fantasy basicly, and because of load/save  - thus any danger, no matter how horrific it would be in RL, simply pales and loses any significance and impact in a game.

In RL you would run from a dragon like crazy. In a game your reaction is "Cool. Let's kill it to see what loot it drops!"
Same thing with abominations.

[Sir DeLoria]

Star fury wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


Cullen the worst?

Absolutely lol.

:blink:Are you kidding me? Cullen is the best, by far.

[Star fury]

Necanor wrote...

:blink:Are you kidding me? Cullen is the best, by far.

He's the best in DAO or DA2? 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Both.

[ames4u]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Mages can do it much easier though

True, but a question of Willingness and morality plays a key role. 

Say you are a mage; do you continue behaving as you do now? Or become a pyromaniac/killer just because you have the power to do so? That's like saying someone who was born with a talent to picklock will break into peoples houses to rob them blind just because they can.

Mages have the power to subjugate and punish those who abhor them-however, they know it's morally reprehensible to do so and will avoid it as much as possible. Wynne for example took a hell of a lot of abuse before she inexplicably set the little brats hair on fire. So it's not necessarily a question of wanting to hurt someone but being forced to do so. This isn't the case for every mage in Dragon Age, (look at the Imperium) but what I am saying is that a number of mages you encouner in both DAO and even DA2 are often forced into a corner where they then inevitably succumb to violence. But there are of course, those who fit the 'mages are power mad maniacs who will sell their spleen for a fingernail of power.'

Modifié par ames4u, 15 juillet 2013 - 01:08 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Wynne didn't know she was a mage, when she accidentally set the boys hair on fire....
And morality and willingness is of little consequence for an Abomination.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I guess the difference is that a lord on noble relies on others. His "power" lies in obedience from others. On his own, a noble is powerless.
A mage does not. He can make you obey him if he wants to.

Also, mage powers are more abusable in the real world. It's easier to get away with abusing them to boot.

And lastly...demons.

[Uccio]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

It'd be interesting if a mage pc had the chance to be taken over by demons. Without it, the anti-mage arguments seem so weak.

It will never happen. Becasue that would be game over.
And because games like DA are a power fantasy basicly, and because of load/save  - thus any danger, no matter how horrific it would be in RL, simply pales and loses any significance and impact in a game.

In RL you would run from a dragon like crazy. In a game your reaction is "Cool. Let's kill it to see what loot it drops!"
Same thing with abominations.

I suggested that long ago. But instead of getting killed you would get extra abilities/spells and occasional voice speaking through pc´s mouth (demon) without players control. And maybe you would have to mentally wrestle for the possession of pc´s body. Wynne/Anders style.

[cjones91]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I guess the difference is that a lord on noble relies on others. His "power" lies in obedience from others. On his own, a noble is powerless.
A mage does not. He can make you obey him if he wants to.

Also, mage powers are more abusable in the real world. It's easier to get away with abusing them to boot.

And lastly...demons.

True but a noble can make people obey him/her with threats of violence and/or death as well.Nobles frequently get away with abusing their power as long as they don't ****** off other nobles.

Modifié par cjones91, 15 juillet 2013 - 01:40 .

[cjones91]

Ukki wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Eveangaline wrote...

It'd be interesting if a mage pc had the chance to be taken over by demons. Without it, the anti-mage arguments seem so weak.

It will never happen. Becasue that would be game over.
And because games like DA are a power fantasy basicly, and because of load/save  - thus any danger, no matter how horrific it would be in RL, simply pales and loses any significance and impact in a game.

In RL you would run from a dragon like crazy. In a game your reaction is "Cool. Let's kill it to see what loot it drops!"
Same thing with abominations.

I suggested that long ago. But instead of getting killed you would get extra abilities/spells and occasional voice speaking through pc´s mouth (demon) without players control. And maybe you would have to mentally wrestle for the possession of pc´s body. Wynne/Anders style.

I would love to play as a possessed Mage PC if those mechanics were in the game.

[Jackums]

Natural selection. Mages are inherently superior to those without magic, and as such it is their place to rule over their inferiors. I'd like to see them wipe out the Templar Order, eradicate the Chantry, enslave the Qunari, and expand the Tevinter Imperium to dominate all of Thedas. Demons are only one challenge in their evolution as they learn more about the nature of magic and limits of their power. They're to be used as tools and weapons.

I look forward to slaughtering the templar zealots in DA:I.

[cjones91]

JackumsD wrote...

Natural selection. Mages are inherently superior to those without magic, and as such it is their place to rule over their inferiors. I'd like to see them wipe out the Templar Order, eradicate the Chantry, enslave the Qunari, and expand the Tevinter Imperium to dominate all of Thedas. Demons are only one challenge in their evolution as they learn more about the nature of magic and limits of their power. They're to be used as tools and weapons.

I look forward to slaughtering the templar zealots in DA:I.

....Being a mage extremist is no better than being a templar extremist.If mages start enslaving people while summonin demons left and right then I will kill them for being dumbasses.

[Jackums]

cjones91 wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Natural selection. Mages are inherently superior to those without magic, and as such it is their place to rule over their inferiors. I'd like to see them wipe out the Templar Order, eradicate the Chantry, enslave the Qunari, and expand the Tevinter Imperium to dominate all of Thedas. Demons are only one challenge in their evolution as they learn more about the nature of magic and limits of their power. They're to be used as tools and weapons.

I look forward to slaughtering the templar zealots in DA:I.

....Being a mage extremist is no better than being a templar extremist.If mages start enslaving people while summonin demons left and right then I will kill them for being dumbasses.

Extremist? No. Realist. Mages are superior. The templars refuse to accept this, therefore they will be forced into submission, just as they have done to the mages for so many decades.

[cjones91]

JackumsD wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Natural selection. Mages are inherently superior to those without magic, and as such it is their place to rule over their inferiors. I'd like to see them wipe out the Templar Order, eradicate the Chantry, enslave the Qunari, and expand the Tevinter Imperium to dominate all of Thedas. Demons are only one challenge in their evolution as they learn more about the nature of magic and limits of their power. They're to be used as tools and weapons.

I look forward to slaughtering the templar zealots in DA:I.

....Being a mage extremist is no better than being a templar extremist.If mages start enslaving people while summonin demons left and right then I will kill them for being dumbasses.

Extremist? No. Realist. Mages are superior. The templars refuse to accept this, therefore they will be forced into submission, just as they have done to the mages for so many decades.

Two wrongs don't make a right.No matter how much mages are superior if they start enslaving people then they will be wiped out by the mundanes.

[Star fury]

I don't mind playing as a decadent Tevinter mage tbf. Scheming, having slaves and sacrificing them to get more power, using blood magic to manipulate people, stomping rebellions, fighting with qunari.

[Sir DeLoria]

JackumsD wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Natural selection. Mages are inherently superior to those without magic, and as such it is their place to rule over their inferiors. I'd like to see them wipe out the Templar Order, eradicate the Chantry, enslave the Qunari, and expand the Tevinter Imperium to dominate all of Thedas. Demons are only one challenge in their evolution as they learn more about the nature of magic and limits of their power. They're to be used as tools and weapons.

I look forward to slaughtering the templar zealots in DA:I.

....Being a mage extremist is no better than being a templar extremist.If mages start enslaving people while summonin demons left and right then I will kill them for being dumbasses.

Extremist? No. Realist. Mages are superior. The templars refuse to accept this, therefore they will be forced into submission, just as they have done to the mages for so many decades.

Mages are superior, that's why they must be subjugated and controlled. Anderson faild to see his, that's why he needed to die.

[Sir DeLoria]

Star fury wrote...

Necanor wrote...

:blink:Are you kidding me? Cullen is the best, by far.

He's the best in DAO or DA2? 

He was good in both, but better in DA2 imo.

[cjones91]

Necanor wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Natural selection. Mages are inherently superior to those without magic, and as such it is their place to rule over their inferiors. I'd like to see them wipe out the Templar Order, eradicate the Chantry, enslave the Qunari, and expand the Tevinter Imperium to dominate all of Thedas. Demons are only one challenge in their evolution as they learn more about the nature of magic and limits of their power. They're to be used as tools and weapons.

I look forward to slaughtering the templar zealots in DA:I.

....Being a mage extremist is no better than being a templar extremist.If mages start enslaving people while summonin demons left and right then I will kill them for being dumbasses.

Extremist? No. Realist. Mages are superior. The templars refuse to accept this, therefore they will be forced into submission, just as they have done to the mages for so many decades.

Mages are superior, that's why they must be subjugated and controlled. Anderson faild to see his, that's why he needed to die.

So you would advocate locking up all the intelligent and phsically gifted people in real lfe?

[Sir DeLoria]

cjones91 wrote...

Necanor wrote..
Mages are superior, that's why they must be subjugated and controlled. Anderson faild to see his, that's why he needed to die.

So you would advocate locking up all the intelligent and phsically gifted people in real lfe?

No, this is not about any superiority, this is about power. Mages need to be locked up due to their sheer amount of potential power. A single mage can destroy whole villages with ease. Even if they don't go mad with power, they will ultimately try to subjugate and enslave non-mages, just look what happened in Tevinter. 

Of course not every mage is like this, but too many are and the stakes are just too high.

Modifié par Necanor, 15 juillet 2013 - 05:54 .

[cjones91]

Necanor wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Necanor wrote..
Mages are superior, that's why they must be subjugated and controlled. Anderson faild to see his, that's why he needed to die.

So you would advocate locking up all the intelligent and phsically gifted people in real lfe?

No, this is not about any superiority, this is about power. Mages need to be locked up due to their sheer amount of potential power. A single mage can destroy whole villages with ease. Even if they don't go mad with power, they will ultimately try to subjugate and enslave non-mages, just look what happened in Tevinter. 

Of course not every mage is like this, but too many are and the stakes are just too high.

If that's the case then I guess I can agree that mages need oversight however they should'nt be treated like monsters.

[Lord Raijin]

Brexan wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...
Being a mage with magic abilities IMO should not a right but a privilege. You should prove that you can master your abilities, and to resist demonic possessions. It's like getting a drivers license from the DMV. You must prove that you're capable of driving a motor vehicle, and know the laws. 

I can see where you're comming from, but given that a person does not have any choice in being born a mage it would seem to suggest that having life is a privelage, whereas I would argue its the most basic right. The term privelage suggests its somethin society can bestow, or take away as it sees fit.

I do agree with you that there needs to be some protection in place for the wider population against mages. The current situation in Thedas does seem to be a little over the top though, and as we are going to see in the next installment of the series its about to result in what could easily be pretty devestating war.  The system that is designed to protection people is provoking a war which could end up causing the same or greater level of devestation. Not everyone involved in the war will show restraint, and no doubt there will be at least some mages who will unleash demons to further their cause.

Exactly what system could be devised to keep a track on mages without restricting their freedoms and liberties is one hell of a question. Short of killing every potential mage at birth I can't see how a sufficient level of control can be imposed whils also keeping the mage population happy.

Unfortunately that is the case. People aren't given the choice of being mages or not having any magical talent at all. Either you have it or you don't. Life is harsh. The Templars serves a legit purpose to help mages and to keep the city safe from mages who intended to do harms of others.

Look at Knight-Commander Meredith background. Her sister was a weak mage who's family sheltered her from the circle because they knew she wouldn't pass their rigorous tests, and she ended becoming an abomination that killed 70 innocence, which included her own family with an exception of Meredith, who barely got out of there alive.

So like I said before being a mage with potential devastating powers is a privilege, not a right. If you're unable to use them in a proper manner, and poses a high risk to others then you should be given mercy by getting the brand. It sucks, but it's necessary procedure to take to prevent catastrophic destruction that could cost the lives of innocent people.

[Sir DeLoria]

cjones91 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

Necanor wrote..
Mages are superior, that's why they must be subjugated and controlled. Anderson faild to see his, that's why he needed to die.

So you would advocate locking up all the intelligent and phsically gifted people in real lfe?

No, this is not about any superiority, this is about power. Mages need to be locked up due to their sheer amount of potential power. A single mage can destroy whole villages with ease. Even if they don't go mad with power, they will ultimately try to subjugate and enslave non-mages, just look what happened in Tevinter. 

Of course not every mage is like this, but too many are and the stakes are just too high.

If that's the case then I guess I can agree that mages need oversight however they should'nt be treated like monsters.

Agreed.

[Steelcan]

Anybody else want to create a new Tevinter Imperium for the lulz?

[cjones91]

Steelcan wrote...

Anybody else want to create a new Tevinter Imperium for the lulz?

 As long as it does'nt involve slavery and blood magic and it's a place where mages can live without fear of being killed for being born.

[Steelcan]

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cjones91 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Anybody else want to create a new Tevinter Imperium for the lulz?

 As long as it does'nt involve slavery and blood magic and it's a place where mages can live without fear of being killed for being born.

Look at my avatar

Modifié par Steelcan, 15 juillet 2013 - 06:25 .