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[AlanC9]

Seboist wrote...

LOL @"sacrificing the krogan's future"

How the hell is someone deliberately sabotaging the genophage cure ANY kind of sacrifice?

Did I make "sacrifices" of the futures of characters i choose to deliberately execute by that logic?

I gotta go with Seboist here, at least in part. If you don't care about the thing being destroyed destroying it isn't a sacrifice. The krogans' future might be a sacrifice, might not.

Modifié par AlanC9, 18 juin 2013 - 06:49 .

[AresKeith]

Txgoldrush is literally putting sacrifice in every thing just to back what he says lol

[KaiserShep]

The only thing you really sacrifice is points towards getting an optimal outcome, unless you don't care about that either.

[KiwiQuiche]

txgoldrush wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Oh no, I've been judged by Mcfly616, I'm going to throw myself off a building because I don't think I can live with that.

Yeah, god forbid. But seriously, I agree with your deconstructive post above. "One character abruptly killing themselves in an insanely contrived manner" seems to happen a stupid amount of times in ME.

Seriously Goldrush, who cares about Rila? You can kill the other one as well to be on the safe side.

Mcfly616 wrote...

Just pointing out how pathetic your post is

*Ryan rulez*
I see someone doesn't like being mocked.

Oh and there's a big difference between telling and showing. He said it was about sacrifice? I certainly didn't see it in the game, so him saying it and it actually being there is different. 

And killing the other one is sacrificing her.....sacrificing others to accomplish the mission is part of the theme of sacrifice. Shepard does have moral justification to kill Falere, especially if Samara isn't present....she is an ardat yakshi and she can turn into a banshee.

"Oh and there's a big difference between telling and showing. He said it was about sacrifice? I certainly didn't see it in the game, so him saying it and it actually being there is different.  "

Not only do they talk about it throughout the game, they show it. Even in comical moments like Conrad Verner.

Lol no it isn't; I killed her to stop her from being a threat, since she was already pretty stupid as it is. That's a lot different that sacrificing her. I'm not offering her corpse to the Reapers, she didn't give up her life for something else regarded as more worthy or important.  Falare would have just sat around until she became a banshee in most cases. I took care of that.

Conrad's a creepy-ass stalker. And he's optional as well.

[txgoldrush]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow you are so wrong.....

1) Condescendingly says someone is wrong; proceeds not to prove so. 

No, you can't avoid sacrifice in regards to Legion, he sacrifices himself or you sacrifice him for the Quarian fleet.

2) How is gleefully shooting the Legion VI not avoiding Legion's sacrifice?

If Thane is alive, you cannot avoid his sacrifice, he will always die.

3) And if he dies?

The only way Mordin can survive is if you sacrifice the Krogan's future.

4) Where's the sacrifice in preventing the genophage cure?

Optional missions still count.

5) No, they don't, since you're trying to argue that sacrifice is the main theme of Mass Effect. It's not the main theme if it's possible for the player to miss half the content which makes it so. 

ME1 Renegade Shepard disagrees

6) How exactly does one play a Shepard without promoting cooperation?

You really don't get it, do you? The entire foil between Nyreen and Aria, what drives the entire DLC, is on the theme of sacrifice.

7) How? There's exactly one concrete moment of sacrifice in the whole DLC, and that's Nyreen's death, which is, as I said, abrupt and contrived and actually doesn't matter at all to anything outside of those three civilians she saves.

1) But it is so.

2) You are sacrificing him and the geth to recruit the Quarians.

3) You can't avoid it. If he dies, he saves the councilor and you get salarian assistance. Sacrifice, and in the Citadel DLC, Shepard explains it as such.

4) Hampering a race's potential future because of concerns and the need for another races help....that's sacrifice. You are sacrificing the krogans for the salarians.

5) Not only do they count, the main missions have this theme as well, its easily the most prominent theme in the game, with not only mission storyline, but the character development of several characters

6) Ruthlessly sacrifice the council and agree to forcing an all human council in the end. The pure renegade ME1 ending completely subverts the unity theme. Whoops.

7) How? Because throughout the DLC, Aria is willing to sacrifice anyone to get her station back, and Nyreen is willing to sacrifice herself to save others. This is throughout the ENTIRE DLC. This is why there is conflict between Aria and Nyreen. Goes to show, you simply didn't get it. The entire reactor part proves my point.

Nyreens death isn't contrived...yes she saves those civilians, but she stops all the uncontrolled Adjutants from running amok in the station.

The theme of sacrifice is the MAIN theme in the entire game...hell, the extended cut gives the theme a THEMATIC STATEMENT, which is the memorial wall scene.

Tell me, why does each of the three main endings have different themes, but all end on the theme of sacrifice? Why does the game always end at the memorial wall before the credits?

Modifié par txgoldrush, 19 juin 2013 - 07:14 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

txgoldrush wrote...

And killing the other one is sacrificing her.....sacrificing others to accomplish the mission is part of the theme of sacrifice. Shepard does have moral justification to kill Falere, especially if Samara isn't present....she is an ardat yakshi and she can turn into a banshee.

"Oh and there's a big difference between telling and showing. He said it was about sacrifice? I certainly didn't see it in the game, so him saying it and it actually being there is different.  "

Hey, does this mean that Shepard has the moral obligation to kill all organics because they might be turned into husks of some sort? Oh, this is priceless. Not to worry though, because you can always choose control and have your minions sort out the dead by race and make reapers out of them, then order your minions to make another Crucible for the inevitable Synthesis to reverse the genocide.

It's not about sacrifice. It's about friends. The writer missed the point of his own story. <_<

[CTFortman]

Stumbled across this thread while looking for something else sorta specific, but I'll add my two cents. For me, choosing the "Destroy" option was something that was never up for debate. From day one of the first game when you first set out on this mission, it was clear that the Reapers had to be destroyed. All of the problems since then have been an attempt to cloud Shepard's judgement, and you'd have to be blind to not see that. All the Reapers ever did was try and pull the wool over Shepard's eyes. In reality, the Reapers are an abomination.
But it is about sacrifice, and it is about friends, and it's about all of these things. Sure, the Extended Cut made it clear that some things were concrete and actually happened. But the problem lies in the fact that it's almost impossible to get everything you want from any of the endings. Sure the 'Synthesis' option is ideal, since everybody is hunky dory and EDI with her fine body gets to live. But wouldn't that be compromising, and giving in to the Reaper's/Starchild's demands? After all this time? It's a lot like the end of 'Watchmen'. Nerd Rant Inbound: Rorschach knew that Ozymandias' solution was, at it's core, morally wrong. He never compromised in this, even though Ozymandias saved the world. But Ozymandias knew that sacrifices had to be made for the greater good, which meant Rorschach needed to die, simply because Rorschach was unwilling to give in to:
1. Slavery (Reapers)
2. "Big Brother" concept (Starchild)
/nerd rant

So...really, a huge part of what ending is best boils down to how bad you feel about letting the synthetics die, because choosing Synthesis or Control would basically mean you compromise and give in to the inevitability of the Reaper's doomsday solution. Plus, EDI is super hot, and none of the guys want her to die, that's just the Gospel truth.