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[KaiserShep]

Javik would say that a star system's destruction is nothing compared to the galaxy's.

[Seboist]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Looks like he hates his power fantasy being disrupted to me

That's largely the cause of the ending butthurt.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

Bioware started showboating at the very end.  Tripped, fell flat on thier face.  Then blamed the audience for not getting it.

Source?

[Xamufam]

dreamgazer wrote...

iakus wrote...

Bioware started showboating at the very end.  Tripped, fell flat on thier face.  Then blamed the audience for not getting it.

Source?

in Thelasthourofme3 documentary & that they needed 6 more months but got only 3
A prothean would have played a larger part of the game, thessia would have been 3 missions intead of 1,

There was going to be a  bossfight with shep, shep would be trying to free him/herself from the indoctrination, harby would have had a bigger role in the game

Modifié par Troxa, 10 juin 2013 - 08:36 .

[Eryri]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Okay, first off. Stop using ellipsis'. You use them in every post and it is annoying.

Secondly, go outside. You have taken this videogame ending far too seriously

If you are going to be pedantic about another poster's style and punctuation, it would perhaps be wise of you to note that the plural of ellipsis is ellipses. It's not spelled with an apostrophe either.

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Looks like he hates his power fantasy being disrupted to me

That's largely the cause of the ending butthurt.

Which is funny, because it's one of the more interesting things about the ending.

[CaptainCommander]

Sacrifice is the main theme? Is that why Shepard loses his mind when he sees Justin Bieber die in the beginning?

[Liamv2]

CaptainCommander wrote...

Sacrifice is the main theme? Is that why Shepard loses his mind when he sees Justin Bieber die in the beginning?

HOLY ****! I never noticed it until now

[KaiserShep]

Justin Bieber dies in ME3? This corrects all of its wrongs.

[KaiserShep]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Thelasthourofme3 documentary & that they needed 6 more months but got only 3
And a prothean would have played a larger part of the game theeia would have been 3 missions intead of 1
bossfight with shep trying to free him/herself from indoctrination, harby having a bigger role

Translation please

I think he said that ME3 was a documentary, and that the Prothean played a game about Thessia. 

[TheProtheans]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Troxa wrote...

Thelasthourofme3 documentary & that they needed 6 more months but got only 3
And a prothean would have played a larger part of the game theeia would have been 3 missions intead of 1
bossfight with shep trying to free him/herself from indoctrination, harby having a bigger role

Translation please

There is no translation that will remove that stick lodged up your rectum.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

How can the theme of the ending be sacrifice when in High-EMS Destroy you don't even sacrifice anything?

EDI and the Geth.

The robot I didn't like or consider alive and the other robots I purposefully destroyed halfway through the game?

Yeah, what a loss.

Cthulhu, what I don't understand is how we seem to be in agreement here, but in disagreement on the DA3 forum. What gives? I just have to ask: did you let Loghain live? I did. I just want to pick the side that kills the most Orlesians in DA3.

@ OP -- yes the ending is about "sacrifice" for some Shepards, but not all. For mine, it was more about loss: surviving and never seeing my LI again and never seeing the friends Shepard made throughout the series because "Releasing the energy of the crucible will destroy the mass relays." Shepard (me) was left buried under a pile of rubble for all eternity.

Otherwise the endings were about: you die, the relays explode, and the Normandy crashes. The only difference was the color of explosion on your screen. That's what I saw on March 22 2012 at 3:20 a.m. when I blew up the galaxy. I know they did the EC, and I played it, but what was once seen cannot be unseen. I watched them all on Youtube because I thought I did something wrong. I didn't. The EC just stuck a bunch of slides in some music and a propaganda speech. It didn't fix the fundamental problems with the ending: it didn't fit with the story, and it was dumb. <_<

[Tron Mega]

txgoldrush wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

How can the theme of the ending be sacrifice when in High-EMS Destroy you don't even sacrifice anything?

EDI and the Geth.

But those r just machines. Is it sacrificial when i turned all those weapons and mods into omnigell too???

I suppose i sacrificed alot of bullets too. 

Sorry i mean "thermal clips."

[Seboist]

You were also able to say EDI is equipment and not crew in ME2.

[TMZuk]

txgoldrush wrote...

Because they fail to even pinpoint the central conflict, especially with the Catalyst.

The ending is NOT about organics and synthetics, its about sacrifice.

Why?

Because that's what the central conflict revolves around. In fact, organics and synthetics theme only matters in the synthesis ending. The central conflict is one of METHOD not MOTIVE. In fact, Shepard really doesn't argue to the motives, he argues against his methods. This is why you can't go...."well, Starchild, geth and quarian peace can prove you wrong" because that simply is not the conflict Shepard has with him, the conflict is his cycle.

Also, the TIM conflict is not about destroying the Reapers or controlling them (although it can be with a Paragon) its about once again, not only his methods, but that they are counterproductive (as well as he is indoctrinated).

This is the protagonist and antagonist conflict.......the protagonist is willing to sacrifice himself or herself to preserve the galaxy and the ones they love, and call for others to sacrifice not without thought or feeling. The antagonists, both TIM and the Catalyst, ruthlessly sacrifice lives to pursue their goals and motives, with no thought whatsoever. THIS IS THE CONFLICT. And the entire Catalyst conversation shows the Catalyst's character flaw, he simply doesn't truly understand organics and their are hints of this throughout the conversation, especially if Shepard dissents some of the choices.

This is the central conflict not only of the ending, not only of Mass Effect 3, but the entire trilogy. But nope, BSNers don't recognize the obvious, harping on the Catalyst's motives while completely ignoring Shepards arguments in the end. Nevermind the Catalyst's creation strikes at the heart another theme, people are willing to create or harness things that they do not understand to pursue their goals and solutions to problems, backfiring due to lack of understanding.

This is why Shepard had to sacrifice to fire the Crucible, the themes define him as such.

So when anti enders say that the themes of the ending come out of nowhere, they really do not get it.

Sorry.... but.... NO!

The Starbrat is a Deux Ex Machina, and it forces Shepard into a role that is totally counter to how he/she has been throughout the game. I have NEVER perceived Shepard as someone willing to lie down and die for the greater good. I have never played any of my Shepards like that, and I resent the very idea. Shepard is a resourceful pragmatic soldier. Not the second coming of Christ.

The martyr-dom forced upon my character is the most sickening part of the ending. Shepard becomes a contrived and embarrasing Space Messiah! I am an atheist to boot, and this quasi-religious BS is causing the bile to rise in my throat!

[Nerevar-as]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Not seeing the geth or EDI as alive is valid. The game even lets you say so many times

Hell, Synthesis begins implying they weren´t. Between that and its solution to diversity clashes, I really don´t know if the writers of the slide sideshow were so obstuse they missed the implications or just have a very jaded view of the world.

[KaiserShep]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Not seeing the geth or EDI as alive is valid. The game even lets you say so many times

Hell, Synthesis begins implying they weren´t. Between that and its solution to diversity clashes, I really don´t know if the writers of the slide sideshow were so obstuse they missed the implications or just have a very jaded view of the world.

It's funny how it totally contradicts everything that happened in the story. EDI was already pieced together with reaper tech and the Hannibal AI, so she was already technically "alive", just as the geth would be, per Legion's own words, when they're augmented with reaper code. With how the EC epilogues are assembled, I'm settled on the idea that they simply cobbled stuff together too sloppily to keep track of the consistencies in logic. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 10 juin 2013 - 07:11 .