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[Tarot Redhand]

@CrutchCricket in response to your query about what happened with blogs. It used to be that the only qualification that you needed to use the blogging feature on this site was to be a registered user. Then a few months ago now this was changed. Now you have to have logged into this site via one of your registered games. Since this was only possible with the (comparatively) newer games on here this impacted most on the users of the legacy games boards. Which is probably why you were unaware of the change.

TR

[CrutchCricket]

Tarot Redhand wrote...

@CrutchCricket in response to your query about what happened with blogs. It used to be that the only qualification that you needed to use the blogging feature on this site was to be a registered user. Then a few months ago now this was changed. Now you have to have logged into this site via one of your registered games. Since this was only possible with the (comparatively) newer games on here this impacted most on the users of the legacy games boards. Which is probably why you were unaware of the change.

TR

That's unfortunate. How long ago was this change and have they commented on it since? Also what was the reasoning behind it?

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 12 juin 2013 - 01:46 .

[MagicalMaster]

This is quite problematic - because there's no common ground for people to talk privately IN GAME before "friending" each other. This isn't WoW/SW:TOR/Rift/etc servers with massive communities, whispers, and mail systems.

PMs help talk about things without derailing threads or without having to make an entire thread about something - and randomly "friending" people just so you can talk is exceptionally odd.

[Ohnenick]

Having had an exhausting read of 12 pages by now, I did not see the following points mentioned (please excuse if I overlooked something).

I didn´t use PMs much with non-friends, but on two occasions I found them very useful:

1. Inadvertendly having insulted someone, using a PM to clarify your statement ond/or apologize. I can´t see that being done on a wall or by friending the other first ("Hi, I think you might take me for an ***hole, but friend me anyway...").

2. Seeing a user get harrassed in multiple threads, PM can be used to give support and/or start a serious discussion with said user. That does not necessarily mean that I want to be "friends" with him. Here, too, the suggested workarounds strike me as not adequate.

So it would be nice if you kept those "use cases" in mind while you search for a long term solution...

[Ottemis]

I get contacted regularly by people via the PM system about my mods. Either to say thanks or to ask me a question / make a request. If they are all forced to befriend me and I them back before they are allowed to PM me, it is likely this will not happen as often as it is now unnecessarily more circumvent/difficult.
And this is aside from all the other much more valid arguments against this measure. This is just something that hits me personally, additionally.

While I'm all for change to benefit the stability and functionality of this site, we all know firsthand how backwards it's functioning. I would honestly just recode and optimize the whole thing.

Moderation has also been an issue for ages, it's 8 months ago already that the character-forums were closed. While I can understand you'd want to take action against misbehavior, closing an entire subforum full of devoted and enthusiastic fans because of some rotten apples is never a solid solution in my book. It's not alright to punish all for the misbehavior of some, aside from the closing of an entire sub-forum being a serious problem on an official fan-forum.
We were suggested to use group-functionality? It is broken, convoluted, horrible interface. People hate using it. We moved to a forum off-site. Your measures are smearing the fanbase all over the place and I'm sure that was not the intention behind creating this site.

If we can't have this functionality and these discussions what is the point of these boards, ultimately?
It's only good for HALF of anything?

I can't befriend everybody that wants to discuss modding with me, it's POHR.

Jessica Merizan wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Is it possible for them to add a toggle where people can choose to receive PM from friends or everyone? It would fix the issue of harassment, as well as allowing people to communicate with whoever they want if they choose to.

Not with our current software limitations which is why I say this is not a long term solution. We are looking into other software that can make this and many other site features function much better

That would seem like the only viable solution at this point. It's good to hear you say this, but I really hope it will be followed through, because sofar we keep losing stuff and are gaining nothing.

Modifié par Ottemis, 13 juin 2013 - 12:07 .

[fchopin]

I am confused by the new pm rule and do not understand why it is implemented.

[CrutchCricket]

Ottemis wrote...

I get contacted regularly by people via the PM system about my mods. Either to say thanks or to ask me a question / make a request. If they are all forced to befriend me and I them back before they are allowed to PM me, it is likely this will not happen as often as it is now unnecessarily more circumvent/difficult.
And this is aside from all the other much more valid arguments against this measure. This is just something that hits me personally, additionally.

While I'm all for change to benefit the stability and functionality of this site, we all know firsthand how backwards it's functioning. I would honestly just recode and optimize the whole thing.

Moderation has also been an issue for ages, it's 8 months ago already that the character-forums were closed. While I can understand you'd want to take action against misbehavior, closing an entire subforum full of devoted and enthusiastic fans because of some rotten apples is never a solid solution in my book. It's not alright to punish all for the misbehavior of some, aside from the closing of an entire sub-forum being a serious problem on an official fan-forum.
We were suggested to use group-functionality? It is broken, convoluted, horrible interface. People hate using it. We moved to a forum off-site. Your measures are smearing the fanbase all over the place and I'm sure that was not the intention behind creating this site.

If we can't have this functionality and these discussions what is the point of these boards, ultimately?
It's only good for HALF of anything?

I can't befriend everybody that wants to discuss modding with me, it's POHR.

Quoted for damn truth.

By the way which off-site forum would this be?

[Ottemis]

Femshep forums

Modifié par Ottemis, 13 juin 2013 - 06:48 .

[syllogi]

It's nice that Jessica has opened up the other topic on ways to improve the forum, but many of the request over there are things people have been asking for since this forum was created.  And the more I think about the new policy about PMs, the less I want to hang around here.

I've already seen a few threads where bickering and aggressions are flaring up, but I am leery of using the Report button, because those issues aren't addressed by any of the choices on the drop down menus.  And I can't even PM a mod to ask them what to do in these instances.  Seriously?  You have a whole list of forum rules, but because some of them aren't listed on a drop down menu, people are now breaking them with impunity.  And I feel like I could get in trouble for choosing a reason for reporting that isn't accurate, so I'm not going to bother.  Great.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Beyond worrying about rules, I keep thinking back to how many people I've helped upload custom avatars, or who I made banner sigs for, or who I just had great conversations with, out of the blue, because they decided to PM someone who isn't on their friends list.  I have met at least ten people from this forum in real life, and I consider many of them really good friends, and if it weren't for getting to know them by PM, that probably wouldn't have happened.

So how is this rule benefitting the community again?

[K_Tabris]

I agree with syllogie.

The rule seems puts a wet blanket over the spirit of these forums, and this site doesn't need any more negativity than is already here.

[lil yonce]

Right now is a time I like the old system back in place. Plenty of people don't respond at all when you send them a friend request out of the blue, and I can't blame them.

[ratzerman]

syllogi wrote...

It's nice that Jessica has opened up the other topic on ways to improve the forum, but many of the request over there are things people have been asking for since this forum was created.  And the more I think about the new policy about PMs, the less I want to hang around here.

I've already seen a few threads where bickering and aggressions are flaring up, but I am leery of using the Report button, because those issues aren't addressed by any of the choices on the drop down menus.  And I can't even PM a mod to ask them what to do in these instances.  Seriously?  You have a whole list of forum rules, but because some of them aren't listed on a drop down menu, people are now breaking them with impunity.  And I feel like I could get in trouble for choosing a reason for reporting that isn't accurate, so I'm not going to bother.  Great.  I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Beyond worrying about rules, I keep thinking back to how many people I've helped upload custom avatars, or who I made banner sigs for, or who I just had great conversations with, out of the blue, because they decided to PM someone who isn't on their friends list.  I have met at least ten people from this forum in real life, and I consider many of them really good friends, and if it weren't for getting to know them by PM, that probably wouldn't have happened.

So how is this rule benefitting the community again?

I've met this member is real life, and consider her a dear friend. I agree with everything she wrote.  We probably would never have come into eachother's lives if I hadn't sent her a PM years ago, thanking her for a banner she had made.

This new PM rule is bewildering.

[Obadiah]

They restricted PMs to friends because of security issues and to "improve" user support? That... ugh... as usual their logic eludes me.