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[Hazegurl]

Oh that silly Blood Mage Orsino.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 13 juin 2013 - 05:38 .

[Hazegurl]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

LMAO!!!

I thought you'd like that one. 

They started out there at the end of Asunder, which takes place two years before Varric's interrogation in DA2. I daresay they've left Andoral's Reach by now..

And I'm talking end of Asunder, not two years later.

It'll be funny if someone in game just off handley mentions that the mages froze to death at Andoral's Reach. lol!!

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

LMAO!!!

I thought you'd like that one. 

They started out there at the end of Asunder, which takes place two years before Varric's interrogation in DA2. I daresay they've left Andoral's Reach by now..

And I'm talking end of Asunder, not two years later.

Who knows? They obviously ate something. It probably won't be brought up. Hell, maybe there's a spell that makes ice nutritious; that'd be a nice one.

[lil yonce]

@Hazegurl; A reality for many, I'm certain. Claimed by the elements and/or lost to starvation. Some will leave and make a deal with Justinia V when things become unbearable, the rest will fight the templars when they come-- many will die, and the survivors will scatter to... we don't know yet.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 13 juin 2013 - 05:56 .

[Will-o'-wisp]

Porenferser wrote...

Like I said, I would like to grant the Mages a few cities of their own where they can stay, isolated from the average citizen who they endanger.
But if I have to decide, no doubt, I`ll have the Templars backs.

That’s actually an interesting thought. We had the fraternity of Isolationists in DA:O that had similar ideas, although I don’t think they were mentioned in more than one or two dialogues. Most mages didn’t seem to like their ideas much or simply were sollowers of the more prominent fraternities, but in the light of the arising mage/templar war something along these lines could be a viable solution.
 
What imo won’t do as post-war arrangement are the extreme solutions that some others are suggesting.
 
Killing all the mages is both impossible and immoral to an unbearable degree (it would mean systematic slaughter of magically gifted children, etc.), plus I just don’t believe Bioware will go down this route. It would mean decimating the mage population in all of southern Thedas to a minimum and drive the ones who don’t want to hide into searching refuge in places like Tevinter, which would reduce the possibilities for magic involving plots, characters, etc.
IF the don’t plan on featuring a massive flooding of Tevinter with refugees as an important plot point in DA4. Could actually be interesting, who knows?
 
But I still don’t hope that’s how the war will end. Maybe if we sent the mages right to Tevinter as Hazegurl suggested, instead of killing them, bit I really don’t want to ban magic entirely from the South.
 
The other extreme, to dissolve the templars and allow the mages to live free from any regulations but their own wouldn’t work either. For various reasons, but I don’t think I need to get into the details here in the templar support thread. ; P
 
But I like the Isolationism approach: Allowing the mages to rule themselves inside a solitary area under the guidance of the chantry and the templars. May sound exactly like a circle, but I imagine it like this:
 
The mages are given an island (like the isolationists in DA:O apparently suggested) and a few templars and priests are sent with them. From then on the mages are free to build their own government and society on that island, while non-mages can choose to live there as well if they want to. The chantry would be there for religious and moral guidance, while the templars control the borders – in this case coastlines and harbours. They would bring young mages to the island, keep the others inside and could be asked for advise or help in case of blood magic being suspected. If a mage needs to travel to any other place, he or she would be accompanied by at least one templar and only after a background check by the mage government and the templars, making sure that he or she is no blood mage and will not likely try to escape. If the support of the mages is needed in any war or such, the mage government has to decide if and to what extend they will support their country.
 
This way mages are not oppressed by the templar order, as they can live freely inside their own borders, but they are still kept in check by an authority that assures the safety of the rest of Thedas.
 
Didn’t go into much detail for now, but maybe someone is interested in talking about this kind of solution?

Modifié par Poison93, 13 juin 2013 - 06:28 .

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

They started out there at the end of Asunder, which takes place two years before Varric's interrogation in DA2. I daresay they've left Andoral's Reach by now.

And I thought Varric's interrogation took place the same year Lambert is ready to march on Andoral's Reach. Looking at the Wiki timeline, both of those events take place in 9:40 Dragon. I suppose it could be wrong, but what dates are you using?

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 13 juin 2013 - 06:05 .

[Hazegurl]

Youth4Ever wrote...

@Hazegurl; A reality for many, I'm certain. Claimed by the elements and/or lost to starvation. Some will leave and make a deal with Justinia V when things become unbearable, the rest will fight the templars when they come-- many will die, and the survivors will scatter to... we don't know yet.

Right. Many of them have no idea what it even means to survive in the elements. i can't imagine that they'll have the strength to fight the templars at all even if they chose to stay.

[Xilizhra]

@Hazegurl; A reality for many, I'm certain. Claimed by the elements and/or lost to starvation. Some will leave and make a deal with Justinia V when things become unbearable, the rest will fight the templars when they come-- many will die, and the survivors will scatter to... we don't know yet.

Elements? No need to worry about that, they can make fire. Starvation may or may not be an issue. And the templars... I think you greatly underestimate the power of a collective of mages all in one place. They could very well repel the templars. Especially if Lambert suddenly turns up dead before the march.

And I thought Varric's interrogation took place the same year Lambert is ready to march on Andoral's Reach. Looking at the Wiki timeline, both of those events take place in 9:40 Dragon. I suppose it could be wrong, but what dates are you using?

IIRC, Asunder takes place one year after the end of DA2's Act 3, the interrogation takes place three years afterward. The ten-year span of DA2. Either way, the war's been going on for a while.

[Hazegurl]

Xilizhra wrote...

@Hazegurl; A reality for many, I'm certain. Claimed by the elements and/or lost to starvation. Some will leave and make a deal with Justinia V when things become unbearable, the rest will fight the templars when they come-- many will die, and the survivors will scatter to... we don't know yet.

Elements? No need to worry about that, they can make fire. Starvation may or may not be an issue. And the templars... I think you greatly underestimate the power of a collective of mages all in one place. They could very well repel the templars. Especially if Lambert suddenly turns up dead before the march.

The same collective mages that were beaten by the Templars and thrown in their cells?
Although you are right about that fire, but what food can they conjure up? Like Youth4ever says, it's gonna be  a long winter for those mages.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 13 juin 2013 - 06:22 .

[Dave of Canada]

LobselVith8 wrote...

While your fellow pro-templars vilify atheism and atheists when some of us supported the new protagonist having the option to be atheist (like The Warden could be), trying to vilify us as hating all real world religion and ignoring our specific dislike for the Chantry of Andraste, or saying that we support racism and genocide because some of us want the People to have their own kingdom again.

We're oppressing the pro-mages, people. 

[Xilizhra]

Hazegurl wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

@Hazegurl; A reality for many, I'm certain. Claimed by the elements and/or lost to starvation. Some will leave and make a deal with Justinia V when things become unbearable, the rest will fight the templars when they come-- many will die, and the survivors will scatter to... we don't know yet.

Elements? No need to worry about that, they can make fire. Starvation may or may not be an issue. And the templars... I think you greatly underestimate the power of a collective of mages all in one place. They could very well repel the templars. Especially if Lambert suddenly turns up dead before the march.

The same collective mages that were beaten by the Templars and thrown in their cells?
Although you are right about that fire, but what food can they conjure up? Like Youth4ever says, it's gonna be  a long winter for those mages.

Now they have a fortified position to defend, from a much longer range (which vastly favors the mages; hell, a fireball in the right spot in snowy mountains could trigger an avalanche and waste whole columns of templars). Food is harder, but I can't answer that because I don't know the details of the environment.

[Dave of Canada]

Xilizhra wrote...

Now they have a fortified position to defend, from a much longer range (which vastly favors the mages; hell, a fireball in the right spot in snowy mountains could trigger an avalanche and waste whole columns of templars). Food is harder, but I can't answer that because I don't know the details of the environment.

That'd actually be a good way to start Fiona's descent into madness, have her eat darkspawn flesh since it's the only thing nearby and we slowly see her starting to transform into a broodmother throughout the game until the ending shows an abomination broodmother Fiona as the last boss.

[BlueMagitek]

Dave of Canada wrote...

We're oppressing the pro-mages, people. 

Nonsense, I haven't felt oppressed at all. 

[Dave of Canada]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

We're oppressing the pro-mages, people. 

Nonsense, I haven't felt oppressed at all. 

Go back in your cage, I've taken your emoticon away.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 juin 2013 - 06:34 .

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

Elements? No need to worry about that, they can make fire. Starvation may or may not be an issue. And the templars... I think you greatly underestimate the power of a collective of mages all in one place. They could very well repel the templars. Especially if Lambert suddenly turns up dead before the march.

The fortress is old, falling apart, gaping holes, etc., and even in newer structures without the challenges of Andoral's Reach are cold during winter-- like the Palace in Denerim according to The Calling.

IIRC, Asunder takes place one year after the end of DA2's Act 3, the interrogation takes place three years afterward. The ten-year span of DA2. Either way, the war's been going on for a while.

The Asunder prologue says in 9:40 the templars are ready to march on Andoral's Reach, so that must mean the mages still there. The prologue also hints starvation was/is a tactic used against the mages.

[BlueMagitek]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Go back in your cage, I've taken your emoticon away.

Is my cage full of delicious chocolate covered blueberries? : )

[Xilizhra]

The Asunder prologue says in 9:40 the templars are ready to march on Andoral's Reach, so that must mean the mages still there. The prologue also hints starvation was/is a tactic used against the mages.

The prologue isn't there in my version of the book, so I can't say. Ultimately, we don't know, but I seriously doubt your torture porn fantasy will come true.

[Hazegurl]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Go back in your cage, I've taken your emoticon away.

Is my cage full of delicious chocolate covered blueberries? : )

Well if you're a mage you'll probably rebel if you don't get them so...no.

[Dave of Canada]

Youth4Ever wrote...

The Asunder prologue says in 9:40 the templars are ready to march on Andoral's Reach, so that must mean the mages still there. The prologue also hints starvation was/is a tactic used against the mages.

Considering it's been years, I'm wondering how the psych of the mages in Andoral's Reach have been impacted. They're probably not feeling too comfortable and are probably weakened.

BlueMagitek wrote...

Is my cage full of delicious chocolate covered blueberries? : )

Laced with laxatives because we're evil.

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

The prologue isn't there in my version of the book, so I can't say. Ultimately, we don't know, but I seriously doubt your torture porn fantasy will come true.

Watching Fiona's ill-fated rebellion unravel is my porn. 

And the entire point is to make them give up and go back without bloodshed.

EDIT: Oh, yeah. And epilogue. Not prologue. Wrong book. 

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 13 juin 2013 - 07:05 .

[BlueMagitek]

Nuh uh, Haze, Imma Pro-Mager, not a mage. =D

Hmm... thanks for helping with my digestion, Dave. =D