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[Senya]

I used to be a Mage player who was moderate and slightly pro-mage.

After reading through these forums, I became moderate and slightly pro-templar.

To tell the truth, I switch between slightly pro-templar and slightly pro-mage, depending on my exposure to these forums. I hope to find a True Neutral position soon, which I want to model my Inquisition after.

[llandwynwyn]

I was kinda disappointed that there were no templar in the trailer. Hard to say it, but I'd be happy to see even Cullen.

[Battlebloodmage]

llandwynwyn wrote...

I was kinda disappointed that there were no templar in the trailer. Hard to say it, but I'd be happy to see even Cullen.

I'm hoping that the next trailer shows a bit more about templar though, they seem to be pretty important in DA2.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 11 juin 2013 - 05:27 .

[Melca36]

I find this thread disturbing considering we really do not know what the entire game is yet. You cant judge something by a trailer.

[Matthew Ryder]

What about the Seekers? They need some love too.

[MisterJB]

Plaintiff wrote...

It creeps me the **** out when people start talking like they actually ARE characters in the game.

Meh, I can just as easily say "After a thorough analysis of the dillema presented by Bioware, I have reached the conclusion that templars have good reasons to fear mages who, in turn, do not have as many legitimate grievances having, instead, acess to many privileges inside the Circle that are not afforded to the common thedosian on the outside. With this in mind; plus the fact that I, as a person with no magical abilities whatsoever and someone who always preferred Batman over Superman AKA "Badass Normal" trope will inevitably sympathize with the non-mages; I must say that I'm far more supportive of the templars than of the mages."

But where is the fun in that?

Modifié par MisterJB, 11 juin 2013 - 05:47 .

[Tenshi]

ThatDude wrote...

What about the Seekers? They need some love too.

yup, seekers ftw ^^

[Hazegurl]

Tootles FTW wrote...

There is no playthrough I love more than my DA2 MageHawke who sided with the templars. Anders' radical boom'splosion changed my whole opinion on what I thought I would do.

That being said, I'm going to tentatively approach DAI with the same viewpoint & start off as a mage who is more moderate and stands with the templars. Excited to see how it will play out.

EDIT - oh fck yes, Haytham Kenway is the sexiest templar.  Unf.

I also love the mage Hawke siding with Templars playthrough. My first playthrough was of a Templar skilled warrior Hawke who was promage. i love little contrasting things like that. 

And oh yeah Haythem Kenway is a sexy beast. He doesn't have to make me tranquil to have his way with me.

To those wanting Seeker love: Aren't they elite Templars? I think they would count for this thread.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 11 juin 2013 - 10:15 .

[Aolbain]

Keran?

Otherwise, Assassins Creed guy wins the thread, no doubt.

[BlueMagitek]

They provide a necessary service. Could use some more depth to their order though.

[Zeldrik1389]

Aolbain wrote...

Keran?

Otherwise, Assassins Creed guy wins the thread, no doubt.

Ezio Auditore for the Inquisitors. Hands down.

[NinjaHawkk]

 Go team templar

[DKJaigen]

What the hell are templars? are they even relevant to the story?

[DKJaigen]

MisterJB wrote...

The Templars provide a necessary service. No society can exist without security.
Let the mages chant for their "freedom". Our cries are no less true nor are our dead.

What necessary service? You cannot provide security if your ignorant, So how are these templars going to stop a full blown demonic invasion?

[Ausstig]

DKJaigen wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

The Templars provide a necessary service. No society can exist without security.
Let the mages chant for their "freedom". Our cries are no less true nor are our dead.

What necessary service? You cannot provide security if your ignorant, So how are these templars going to stop a full blown demonic invasion?

"Your victory lies in defeating them no in understanding them". 

The templars do know about magic, they conduct reasearch (or have people on hand when mages conduct reaserch) so they do know about magic.

also I assume with swords, deamons are just as killable as a bear in Dragon Age.

[MisterJB]

Well, you'd think that with this being a war and the templars being an army, we could find some use for them. But apparently not, according to DKJaigen.

[Mykel54]

Blessed are they who stand before
The corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.
Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just.

-Benedictions 4:10

The templars are not only fundamental to fight agaisnt rogue mages, they are also part of the few qualified warriors that can stand up to daemons. The templars are thus very important to keep the safety of the world of thedas, no matter how much mages complain about them. With the main enemy in DA3 being daemons, we will see the importance of having templars around to deal with them.

[Xilizhra]

The templars are not only fundamental to fight agaisnt rogue mages, they are also part of the few qualified warriors that can stand up to daemons. The templars are thus very important to keep the safety of the world of thedas, no matter how much mages complain about them. With the main enemy in DA3 being daemons, we will see the importance of having templars around to deal with them.

Because the templars totally turned their focus away from a handful of fleeing mages to deal with the demonic incursion in Kirkwall... oh, wait.

[MisterJB]

Xilizhra wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Well, you'd think that with this being a war and the templars being an army, we could find some use for them. But apparently not, according to DKJaigen.

Yes, useful like the Wehrmacht.

You know, there are so many things intellectually wrong with this statement, it's actually hard to ignore.

1-The use of emotionally charged terms regardless of how badly they apply to the situation. This is about a noteworthy as me saying "If you don't agree with me, you're a National Socialist, a group widely regarded in the Western World as  evil"
It is not an argument which brings us to the second point:

2-The supposed morality of an army is entirely irrelevant regarding its usefulness in a war which was what being discussed. Whatever people may think of the templars, they are an army and therefore can be used to fight off a demonic invasion. And since we're talking about morality:

3-The claim that the armed forces of Germany during WW2 were, somehow, irrevocably different from any other army in the history of humanity. That is to say, a group of men (and sometimes women) with all the faults and virtues that come with it being told what to do by their leaders. And without leaving the subject of morality:

4-One can easily discuss the DA world without trying to find real world equivalents. I daresay that this is a much worthier form of debate since it would actually require one to use one's head instead of just using emotionally and culturally charged terms such as "N@zi" like you just did.
But if you really want to look for comparisons, the Templars; given their history of containing one group deemed dangerous to the majority of the population because of what they might do; are much more similar to the United States military while the mages; given their history of claiming t heir own superiority based on conditions of birth, a theory your beloved Adrian is a proponent of; are actually much closer to Hitler's ideals as they are understood through western media.

Modifié par MisterJB, 12 juin 2013 - 12:07 .

[Hazegurl]

The Templars are evil and oppressive. Let's all ignore the torn veil in the sky. Magic was not involved at all. Nothing to see here.

And yeah they do perform a function, which was undermined by abominations with the help of the Divine herself.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Xilizhra wrote...

MisterJB wrote...

Well, you'd think that with this being a war and the templars being an army, we could find some use for them. But apparently not, according to DKJaigen.

Yes, useful like the Wehrmacht.

Say what you will about the Wehrmacht, but they were damn effective at their job.

But I see you are, once again, stooping low enough to try and use loaded terms to make your own point of view seem the, by your very own words, the "natural" view.....

[MisterJB]

Back in the old ME2 and ME3 Character forums, if someone who despised a particular character went to said character thread and called him or her a "N@zi", the fans would rightly call that person a troll and request the assistance of a moderator.
Here we have the flagrant example of Xilizhra, who we all know despises the Templars, coming into what is supposed to be a thread for the supporters of the Order and, in the follow up of a valid discussion regarding the efectiveness of the Templar Order aganst this demonic invasion portrayed in the trailer(even if not conducted in an ideal manner), just flat out calling them "N@zis".

Therefore, I have two serious, and I believe valid, questions to the moderators:

1-Are support groups allowed in the Inquisition forums?

2- Assuming they are, at which point does differing opinions and respectful debate between pro-templars and pro-mages give way to flat out harassment?

[Plaintiff]

Hazegurl wrote...

The Templars are evil and oppressive. Let's all ignore the torn veil in the sky. Magic was not involved at all. Nothing to see here.

And yeah they do perform a function, which was undermined by abominations with the help of the Divine herself.

"Magic was involved" is not the same as "mages were involved", and frankly, we don't have evidence that either of those statements is true.

And the fact that magic has potential to cause harm is not adequate justification for the mass isolation and dehumanisation of a group of people.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xilizhra wrote...

The templars are not only fundamental to fight agaisnt rogue mages, they are also part of the few qualified warriors that can stand up to daemons. The templars are thus very important to keep the safety of the world of thedas, no matter how much mages complain about them. With the main enemy in DA3 being daemons, we will see the importance of having templars around to deal with them.

Because the templars totally turned their focus away from a handful of fleeing mages to deal with the demonic incursion in Kirkwall... oh, wait.

You meant the demons summoned by mages?
That's right..how silly of templars to focus on the root of that specific problem....mages.