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[KingRoxas]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Kingroxas wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

PLEASE do not turn this thread into another Mages/Templars-Flamebait.

Modifié par Kingroxas, 12 juin 2013 - 05:59 .

[RustyMcBlade]

Hell, Dragon Age 2 was filled with crazy blood mages doing all sorts of evil stuff around the city. I played as a mage in DA:O, but after DA2 mages look out of control in my book.

[Senya]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

PLEASE do not turn this thread into another Mages/Templars-Flamebait.

Unfortunately a lot of mage supporters have some serious issues. So expressing any support of templars anywhere is going to cause them to come out of the woodwork.  

Because pro-templar fans never participate in threads intended for pro-mage or pro-elven fans, or threads supporting the option to be atheist in Andrastian society. {{sarcasm}}

In my experience, the pro-mage fans usually show up in pro-templar threads first.

[TexasToast712]

Templar Hendricks reporting in.

In these dark times the Templar Order will be needed more than ever before. Will you stand by my side in these dark.times my brothers? Or will you lay down and die as hell rains down upon you?

Modifié par TexasToast712, 12 juin 2013 - 06:58 .

[Xilizhra]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Templar Hendricks reporting in.

In these dark times the Templar Order will be needed more than ever before. Will you stand by my side in these dark time my brothers? Or will you lay down and die as hell rains down upon you?

Er, doing the first will inexorably lead to the second.

[Hazegurl]

If I were to think more on the subject of the Circles I honestly have reached a point where the Templars role should have been to:

1. Kill Blood mages on sight (they already do)
2. Kill any mage hanging out with a Blood mage (Killing Grace Co. would have saved them a lot of trouble)
3. Ship all other mages straight to Tevinter where they can be raped, robbed, fed to demons, enslaved, or forced to do the same for power. At least they'll have their freedom to kill or be killed in their wonderful magocracy.
4. Turn the Circles into orphanages and schools for non mages.

Why should these ingrates get free food, a warm bed, and an education because they are born mages? The Chantry can actually uplift non mages faster and bring about a starting era of technology.

[sandalisthemaker]

Hazegurl wrote...

If I were to think more on the subject of the Circles I honestly have reached a point where the Templars role should have been to:

1. Kill Blood mages on sight (they already do)
2. Kill any mage hanging out with a Blood mage (Killing Grace Co. would have saved them a lot of trouble)
3. Ship all other mages straight to Tevinter where they can be raped, robbed, fed to demons, enslaved, or forced to do the same for power. At least they'll have their freedom to kill or be killed in their wonderful magocracy.
4. Turn the Circles into orphanages and schools for non mages.

Why should these ingrates get free food, a warm bed, and an education because they are born mages? The Chantry can actually uplift non mages faster and bring about a starting era of technology.

A little harsh, no?

I'll admit that the Circle in DA:O seemed like a pretty cool place to be. It was like a Hogwarts. Sure they couldn't walk freely outdoors, but as you said, they had free food,  beds, and all they had to do was practice magic and read books all day. Sounds like a pretty good life (so long as they passed the Harrowing) compared to the harder life of a mundane commoner.
Kirkwall's circle was a different story though. Although we never saw what it actually was like inside.
I'm on the fence. I don't support the Templars, but neither do I support the mages at this point. Once I assess the situation, I'm sure I can pick a side as the game progresses.

[The Elder King]

Hazegurl, what you propose would lead to the downfall of Andrastian nations. Without mages they'd have no chance to stop the Qun or the Imperium in the case of an invasion.
There's no proof the Chantry would've used those resources in the past, and now, even if they start a technological advancement project, it'd be too late to use it against enemies.

Modifié par hhh89, 12 juin 2013 - 08:20 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Sure they could. It would just be much harder. The Imperium especially is probably going to collapse in on itself before it can mount any serious territorial invasions. Not that I think that would have been the best solution for mages, mind you.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 12 juin 2013 - 08:25 .

[The Elder King]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

Sure they could. It would just be much harder. The Imperium especially is probably going to collapse in on itself before it can mount any serious territorial invasions. Not that I think that would have been the best solution for mages, mind you.

Even if the Imperium will collapse (which is only an assumption), the Qun will not. And mages were vital to stop them the first time, among with the Felicisima Armada. Losing one, in my opinion (considering the actual state of Southern Thedas) will lead to the defeat of the Andrastian nations.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I kind of doubt that. The Qunari may have easily the strongest military out of all the nations of Thedas but even they didn't come anywhere close to their goal of conquering Thedas in the last war. The humans halted their advance in the Free Marches and pushed them back even before the Exalted Marches. Two thirds of the 150 year war involved the Qunari in retreat, they don't really have the might to take and hold an entire continent so far from home full of angry natives that vastly outnumber them. The weakened state of Thedas might make them more succesful if they attacked again, but the margin between total defeat and total victory was never just about mages.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 12 juin 2013 - 08:39 .

[The Elder King]

The codexes said that mages and pirates were fundamental to the victory of Andrastian nations.

[BlueMagitek]

hhh89 wrote...

The codexes said that mages and pirates were fundamental to the victory of Andrastian nations.

You're right.

We need to turn the Mages into Pirates by feeding them Fade grown Demon fruits. 

[Hazegurl]

I know it sounds harsh and even I had to take a look at my list and go "wow" but it just seems like the mage supporters are right. The Circle was ineffective. It relied on whether or not mages wanted to stay in the Circles forever and Templars can't seem to combat blood magic properly no matter how long they have been around. If the mages are unhappy with the circle then they should have kicked whomever wanted to leave out a long time ago and focus on technology. The Qunari seem better off and stronger due to their advances. I just think that the reason why mages became so fundamental is because everyone relied on them for so long. Perhaps the bright side to mages gaining freedom is that it allows the nonmages to become strong and work on harnessing their own power through tech advances. Which in the end seem to out weigh magic anyway.

As much as people like to call the Qunari savages, a part of me thinks they had the right idea to use and suppress their mages. Mind you. I don't think any mage deserves to be collared and bound and used. But if I were to go for a purely "The ends justifies the means" logic then it doesn't seem like a bad strategy. reduce the mage population. kill any who resist. collar the weak. use them but focus primarily on advancements without them until you reach a stage of no longer needing mages period. I wonder if that is what the Qunari is doing overall.

[Senya]

^^
That... Sounds disturbingly like Xilizhra whenever she's saying she'd be chums with Adrian and Fiona.

[Porenferser]

Well the Qunari-Mages certainly won't start a revolution.
They aren't only unable to do so physically, but they also don't *want* to.
They are 'happy' with their place in society. So yeah, the Qunari-Solution to the Mage-Problem is indeed more effective.

But morally, it's not better off course.
Like I said, I would like to grant the Mages a few cities of their own where they can stay, isolated from the average citizen who they endanger.
But if I have to decide, no doubt, I`ll have the Templars backs.

Modifié par Porenferser, 12 juin 2013 - 09:52 .

[Hazegurl]

almostinsane99 wrote...

^^
That... Sounds disturbingly like Xilizhra whenever she's saying she'd be chums with Adrian and Fiona.

That's why I called it an "Ends justifies the means" approach. One that I stated I disagee with.  That's an extremely harsh thing to do no matter what. But looking it from the Qunari side. I wonder if that is what they are doing.

[Xilizhra]

almostinsane99 wrote...

^^
That... Sounds disturbingly like Xilizhra whenever she's saying she'd be chums with Adrian and Fiona.

Fiona will be an excellent leader, what are you on about? Adrian's volatility is potentially troublesome, but I still think she'd be useful, and her heart is in the right place.

[Mr.House]

Xilizhra wrote...

almostinsane99 wrote...

^^
That... Sounds disturbingly like Xilizhra whenever she's saying she'd be chums with Adrian and Fiona.

Fiona will be an excellent leader, what are you on about? Adrian's volatility is potentially troublesome, but I still think she'd be useful, and her heart is in the right place.

Ya betraying a past lover and freind and framing them to start a war is "having your heart in the right place."

[Asdrubael Vect]

Hazegurl wrote...

If I were to think more on the subject of the Circles I honestly have reached a point where the Templars role should have been to:

1. Kill Blood mages on sight (they already do)
2. Kill any mage hanging out with a Blood mage (Killing Grace Co. would have saved them a lot of trouble)
3. Ship all other mages straight to Tevinter where they can be raped, robbed, fed to demons, enslaved, or forced to do the same for power. At least they'll have their freedom to kill or be killed in their wonderful magocracy.
4. Turn the Circles into orphanages and schools for non mages.

Why should these ingrates get free food, a warm bed, and an education because they are born mages? The Chantry can actually uplift non mages faster and bring about a starting era of technology.

 i am all for this Templars actions 

because when they start to do such things they would be a result of very quiqly restoring Tevinter like magocraty in most parts of Thedas  and fully destruction of Orlais, Chantry with execution of most of the Templars who cant hide

good job Templars your actions will do exatly what Thedas really need

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 12 juin 2013 - 10:08 .

[Dave of Canada]

Mr.House wrote...

Ya betraying a past lover and freind and framing them to start a war is "having your heart in the right place."

They have their heart in the right place just like Cerberus did. Can't wait to slaughter all the possessed mages as Fiona claims that control over demons is the only way to save mankind.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 12 juin 2013 - 10:04 .

[Senya]

Not to mention Fiona had the greatest chance of any Grand Enchanter of changing things peacefully with the cure to the Rite of Tranquility on one hand and the support of the Divine on the other. There could have been true checks on the Templar's power without any bloodshed along with peaceful reform.

Adrian... Well, Adrian would try to summon demons if she thought it would help.

[Dave of Canada]

almostinsane99 wrote...

Adrian... Well, Adrian would try to summon demons if she thought it would help.

Adrian will be the Kai Leng to Fiona's TIM.