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[Xilizhra]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
I never saw it as actual exasperation, more an amused faux-exasperation.

The line was delivered pretty neutrally.  I took it both ways depending on my Hawke's relationship with Anders.

It could be, I suppose. The point being that it's open to interpretation.

[LobselVith8]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Vilifying people?

Nope, never saw that on BSN. No way. Especially not among the mage-supporters.

In all fairness, pro-templar fans like Sir JK don't engage in that behavior. You, on the other hand...

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Because pro-templar fans never participate in threads intended for pro-mage or pro-elven fans, or threads supporting the option to be atheist in Andrastian society. {{sarcasm}}

Yeah but they don't call me a member of a certain political party because I support one fictional group of people over the other.

While your fellow pro-templars vilify atheism and atheists when some of us supported the new protagonist having the option to be atheist (like The Warden could be), trying to vilify us as hating all real world religion and ignoring our specific dislike for the Chantry of Andraste, or saying that we support racism and genocide because some of us want the People to have their own kingdom again.

The Pro-Templar people don't participate in the atheist topics becasue they are Pro-Templars, but because they have to correct the stupidity of the people claiming that Hawke can only be Andrastian.... That some of these people just happens to be Pro-Templars, is just a coincidence. Same with the Dalish topics.
And you do realize that YOU were one of the very first to claim that all pro-Templars were endorsing the genocide of all mages? The pro-mages are the one who have a nasty habit of trying to use loaded terms (who doesn't even fit in any shape or form), to try and make your point of view, sound like the right one.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 13 juin 2013 - 11:24 .

[Porenferser]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Xilizhra seems to have turned this Templar Support thread into her playground.
I find this amusing.

I find it annoying.
This is just what I wanted to prevent....

[Lotion Soronarr]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Vilifying people?

Nope, never saw that on BSN. No way. Especially not among the mage-supporters.

In all fairness, pro-templar fans like Sir JK don't engage in that behavior. You, on the other hand...

Where's a rolleyes smiley when you need one?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Xilizhra wrote...

Agreed.
No happy-and-sunshine ending for "free mages". Chaos and death, like what you would expect.

Maybe what you would expect.

I can tell you where your expectations come from:

[LobselVith8]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

While your fellow pro-templars vilify atheism and atheists when some of us supported the new protagonist[/i] having the option to be atheist (like The Warden could be), trying to vilify us as hating all real world religion and ignoring our specific dislike for the Chantry of Andraste, or saying that we support racism and genocide because some of us want the People to have their own kingdom again. 

The Pro-Templar people don't participate in the atheist topics becasue they are Pro-Templars, but because they have to correct the stupidity of the people claiming that Hawke can only be Andrastian.... That some of these people just happens to be Pro-Templars, is just a coincidence. Same with the Dalish topics.

Hawke can only voice a religiously Andrastian point of view; he can't voice that he doesn't believe in the Maker. Gaider didn't even remember that The Warden could express that he didn't believe in the Maker in Origins and Awakening, and originally didn't want players to have that option again. It remains to be seen how much freedom we will actually have with the new protagonist.

Not every player should be forced to play a religiously Andrastian character. Simply because you like the organization doesn't mean we do.

The elven topics have to do with the Dalish historical account condemning the Chantry for invading the Dales with templars.

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And you do realize that YOU were one of the very first to claim that all pro-Templars were endorsing the genocide of all mages? The pro-mages are the one who have a nasty habit of trying to use loaded terms (who doesn't even fit in any shape or form), to try and make your point of view, sound like the right one. 

The Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? I pointed out some pro-templar players opposed Meredith's justification to kill every mage in Kirkwall.

[earl of the north]

I'm not sure there is any point in supporting templars or mages anymore, my theory on the rings shown on the character on the main site is that they represent factions in the new game.....the seekers, bloodmages, the circle mages and the templars (no idea about the thumb ring, maybe GW with both sides in their ranks), if true then ' the Templars' have already broken into two factions, its likely all the 'good' templars have joined the seekers with the new templars going full darkside in its quest to destroy all mages. Its also likely that the mages have suffered a similar split, with the bloodmages going full darkside in their determination to destroy the templars and rise to power.

So either way, I'll probably support all the factions on different playthroughs, but the DA1&2 Templars do not really exist anymore.

Modifié par earl of the north, 13 juin 2013 - 12:25 .

[Xilizhra]

And you do realize that YOU were one of the very first to claim that all pro-Templars were endorsing the genocide of all mages? The pro-mages are the one who have a nasty habit of trying to use loaded terms (who doesn't even fit in any shape or form), to try and make your point of view, sound like the right one.

Well, you start out by endorsing the genocide of mages in Kirkwall, which doesn't give you much of a moral high ground to begin with.

Also, I find it somewhat strange that some people need the entire thing to be morally gray to be "realistic," despite the fact that less gray conflicts than this one have already existed quite prominently IRL.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Isn't a clear division into "good" and "bad" guys as black and white as it gets, even if you split the factons up?

[earl of the north]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Isn't a clear division into "good" and "bad" guys as black and white as it gets, even if you split the factons up?

Thats why I wrote 'good', usually in civil wars there are no good guys (take a look at Syria at the moment as an example), no matter have just or unjust the cause everybody ends up as dirty as each other.

I think Inquistion's storyline (from what we know so far) will resolve around ending the bloody civil war and defeating a great evil (of course ) which is literaly destroying the world and tearing the veil. The Seekers way of resolving it, might be only slightly different then the Templars.....a scapel vs a hammer.

The Seekers may be willing to reinstate the Circle system (or a reformed version of it) while the Templars may be set on a permanent solution to the mage problem. Aside from that both could be similar tactics to fight the mages and maybe each other.

The Circle Mages may be willing to submit to a reformed circle system , while the Bloodmages (or Freemages, or the Mage Liberation Army or whatever they are called) may be set on full freedom and independence or dominance of the mudanes. Aside from blood magic they may be nothing seperating the tactics of the mage factions as they fight the Templars/Seekers  and maybe each other.

'Good' guys, 'bad' guys by the time Inquistion game comes out, all the factions could have plenty of blood on their hands.

Modifié par earl of the north, 13 juin 2013 - 01:22 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

While your fellow pro-templars vilify atheism and atheists when some of us supported the new protagonist[/i] having the option to be atheist (like The Warden could be), trying to vilify us as hating all real world religion and ignoring our specific dislike for the Chantry of Andraste, or saying that we support racism and genocide because some of us want the People to have their own kingdom again. 

The Pro-Templar people don't participate in the atheist topics becasue they are Pro-Templars, but because they have to correct the stupidity of the people claiming that Hawke can only be Andrastian.... That some of these people just happens to be Pro-Templars, is just a coincidence. Same with the Dalish topics.

Hawke can only voice a religiously Andrastian point of view; he can't voice that he doesn't believe in the Maker. Gaider didn't even remember that The Warden could express that he didn't believe in the Maker in Origins and Awakening, and originally didn't want players to have that option again. It remains to be seen how much freedom we will actually have with the new protagonist.

Not every player should be forced to play a religiously Andrastian character. Simply because you like the organization doesn't mean we do.

Or, and try to keep up now, you could just NOT express any religious view, and BAM you have your atheist right there. I know, I know, it is very hard to understand, but do try.....

LobselVith8 wrote...
The elven topics have to do with the Dalish historical account condemning the Chantry for invading the Dales with templars.

Which has nothing at all to do with being pro-Templar, and more to do with somne people having blind faith in everyhting an Elf says, and others having enough experience to know a ****stained worthless source when they see one. You dont HAVE to be pro-Templar to have this sort of experience, a functioning brain would be enough.

LobselVith8 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

And you do realize that YOU were one of the very first to claim that all pro-Templars were endorsing the genocide of all mages? The pro-mages are the one who have a nasty habit of trying to use loaded terms (who doesn't even fit in any shape or form), to try and make your point of view, sound like the right one. 

The Right of Annulment in Kirkwall? I pointed out some pro-templar players opposed Meredith's justification to kill every mage in Kirkwall.

You have, on several occasions, said that by supporting Templars, then you were by extension supporting the act of genocide. Of course, considering that Annulments aren't genocide, it is a braindead statement, with no merit other than the attempt to use loaded terms, that you pro-Mages are so fond of.

[lil yonce]

Dinner for the mages at Andoral's Reach:



"This winter's gonna be rough, y'all."

[Xilizhra]

[qutoe]You have, on several occasions, said that by supporting Templars, then you were by extension supporting the act of genocide. Of course, considering that Annulments aren't genocide, it is a braindead statement, with no merit other than the attempt to use loaded terms, that you pro-Mages are so fond of.[/quote]
Actually, they are still genocide, being the eradication in whole or in part of a certain biological grouping within a certain nation, which Kirkwall is.

[quote] Dinner for the mages at Andoral's Reach:[/quote]
Comments like these are one reason why I'm still here.

[lil yonce]

Xilizhra wrote...

Comments like these are one reason why I'm still here.

And what exactly do you think they're going to eat?

[lil yonce]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...

And what exactly do you think they're going to eat?

The weakest 

The children?!

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Comments like these are one reason why I'm still here.

And what exactly do you think they're going to eat?

What any army on the move eats. It might be easier, their spells should be useful. Certainly they'll never lack for warmth.

[The Hierophant]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Youth4Ever wrote...
The children?!

The younglings

D@mn you Anakin Skywalker.

[lil yonce]

^^^They're holed up in one location. The mages making their way there came hungry and empty-handed. And it might be hard to appreciate being warm when you're starving.

The younglings

*Gasp*

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 13 juin 2013 - 05:09 .

[Xilizhra]

Youth4Ever wrote...

^^^They're holed up in one location. The mages making their way there came hungry and empty-handed. And it might be hard to appreciate being warm when you're starving.

The younglings

*Gasp*

They started out there at the end of Asunder, which takes place two years before Varric's interrogation in DA2. I daresay they've left Andoral's Reach by now..

[Hazegurl]

Youth4Ever wrote...

Dinner for the mages at Andoral's Reach:

"This winter's gonna be rough, y'all."

LMAO!!!

[lil yonce]

Hazegurl wrote...

LMAO!!!

I thought you'd like that one. 

They started out there at the end of Asunder, which takes place two years before Varric's interrogation in DA2. I daresay they've left Andoral's Reach by now..

And I'm talking end of Asunder, not two years later.