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So what is your opinion on Morrigan, Varric & Cassandra's new looks?


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PsychoBlonde wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

If one were to go by forum posters commenting on a character's initial reveal, Morrigan in DAO was beyond hideous. I recall a number of long topics over how giant her jaw was, how misshapen her lips were, how her shoulders were too wide and her body badly animated. Also, Merrill had enormous breasts, Isabela an impossibly masculine jaw and Leliana giant fish-lips which were impossible to look past.

Possibly people just like dissecting the appearance of female characters. I'm not sure. Maybe it's just something you get used to, or will never like simply because it's different. I suppose you'll find out eventually.


I don't see a thread dissecting the changes to Varric's jawline and outfit. <_<


Well, he did just point out that people like picking apart the appearance of *female* characters. Varric is male so...

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Thought her bottom lip was way too huge in the original so to me that's a good thing.


That's my basic gripe is that I wish they'd adhere to the basic features of her Origins appearance even if they weren't carbon copied- lips (specifically lower) bigger than most females, almond shaped eyes, that shape of nose, same shape face and so forth.

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Yes because the trailer revealed so much of Morrigan's facial expressions and personality within those 10 seconds.


Of course it didn't and that's why I said I want to see more. Don't be dense. But what we did see was the mouth contorting about like Morrigan was sucking on lemons. Not exactly very encouraging considering getting up close and talking to people is a big part of these games.

Welsh Inferno wrote...

EDIT: also thats a good image Brock, mind if I add it to the OP?


Go for it.

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Oh right. For Varric. http://social.biowar.../index/16836338

Actually doesn't surprise me since his Chest hair was a big thing before DAII released.

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Not everyone will agree, but I don't like it. It's TOO much like DA:O Morrigan. After seeing Varric and the Qunari updated looks, I was dissapointed that she wasn't updated either. And I hate her dress; Morrigan original dress looked like something that got casually patched up in the wild, and it was awesome and unique. Now she's wearing an actual dress, as in with lace. Morrigan was attractive because she was wild and dangerous; that's not the vibe I'm getting here.

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

Well, he did just point out that people like picking apart the appearance of *female* characters. Varric is male so...


And yet, plenty have criticised his appearance. Its not a phenomenon restricted to female characters. Do you see a thread picking apart Cassandra?

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Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.

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HiroVoid wrote...

Oh right. For Varric. http://social.biowar.../index/16836338

Actually doesn't surprise me since his Chest hair was a big thing before DAII released.


I'm thinking of making banners and marching throught the streets and everything. 

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Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.


Or maybe they just...you know... like how she looks.

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Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.


Lawl

There is pie in the sky too.

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Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.


That's silly. I dislike her face, and I think this comment is silly.

Them liking it doesn't mean they're in denial.

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

Well, he did just point out that people like picking apart the appearance of *female* characters. Varric is male so...


And yet, plenty have criticised his appearance. Its not a phenomenon restricted to female characters. Do you see a thread picking apart Cassandra?


Not yet.

Anyway, the point is that male characters in general have more leeway and can get away with being less than stunningly handsome. They can have flaws in their appearance that add character to their faces. They can have wrinkles, expression lines, noses that are a bit large, etc.
Female characters do not have this luxury. If they play a prominent role, they had better be sexy eye candy. They have to be classically beautiful and even then people will point out flaws.
It shouldn't be this way, but it is. 

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She's still Morrigan,lets see what she looks like in game in diffrent lighting and action.

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I find more of Morrigan's personality in her voice and remarks than in her eyes wich in origins they look kinda small (but love them don't get me wrong) in origins one can see frowns and some sort of head movement because of laughter and that's it, but it was her voice that put all her personality in the game like when when she said her last goodbye..."I will always remember you, my love" that along with the rest of her dialogue were great because of Claudia Black voice and acting.

As for her looks, well...there's still a lot of time for tweaking or.... just cast Victorria Johnson again to model for Morrigan hehe.

I still like the trailer and how things are looking for the battle and the veil torn...

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Okay, speaking as someone who was very unhappy with the change in the da aesthetic in da2, I gotta say this is a much, much better outing if this truly is in-game footage and not cgi.

I really like how there's a grimier feel to things. I love the way the backgrounds do much more wind animations etc. I was briefly excited be ause I thought the environments were semi destructable in that fireball-city scene but that was snuffed in a re-watch, sadly. The desolation of the battleground aftermath was far more visually interesting and chaotic than the blight scenes in da2. Just really great to see.

I still think the city itself was a bit too empty of detail but that could be just because it's early days yet.

As for the characters shown: they definitely do look....different. But also recognizable to me. And unlike the cameos in DA2, I find myself not hating the differences. In fact, I rather think they're better this time around. Yes, Morrigan looks a bit more... I dunno, matronly? Mature? A bit 'butch'-er, perhaps (though not in a bad way). But dang it she still looks good, and as others have noted, a lot of time has passed. Personally, I think it's awesome to have strong female character who's not a teen/tween supermodel wannabe.

Varric has never been my favorite looking character but now he looks great IMO.

Cassandra looks the least changed to me, but she was one of the better character models in DA2 so maybe that's a good thing.

And the qunari? Wow. Absolutely outstanding.

Frankly, I'm pretty impressed, and I was deeply sceptical after the DA2 redesign and the impression of deep denial from some of the devs that DA2 was anything other than a masterful execution that was simply not understood by us plebian savages. I really was doubting whether I'd be bothering with the next installment.

I'm still reserving judgement on the dorkspawn issue, but the limited glimpses we saw were, perhaps, mildly encouraging? I want to see more to get a better sense as to whether they've ditched the whole campy skeletor vibe, and gone with a more alien-esque one.

In any case, with regards to the look and feel of the series I think I'm going to have to eat some crow and give Bioware credit for a job well done this time around. Mr Laidlaw, you've gotten my attention again. I hope that you can do the same for other aspects of DA2 that were dissappointing for me, such as the removal of player agency in intitiating conversations etc.

Well done Bioware. It's looking good.

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Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.


That's what I say about the people that like the color pink.

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Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.

Morrigan's appearance after 11 years is one of the things that's pretty low on my care list for Dragon age: Inquisition.  She looks decent to me, and that's good for me.  One thing for all characters I saw was the cheeks looking....thin I suppose.  Not sure if that's really a problem, and it doesn't really bother me though.

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I'm not sure what the comparison photo was supposed to prove, except to make this controversy even sillier. For 10 years older and a different engine and artstyle her face still looks very similar. Better, even, according to taste anyway. Certainly more detailed.

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Some of them are obviously in denial angel. Not a silly comment. An astute one. shrugs. Believe whatever you want.

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Filament wrote...

I'm not sure what the comparison photo was supposed to prove, except to make this controversy even sillier. For 10 years older and a different engine and artstyle her face still looks very similar. Better, even, according to taste anyway. Certainly more detailed.


Its a controversy? Most has been positive feedback.

Eh, I only made this thread to get a general idea after few pages of what other people thought. Didnt think It'd go on for in-depth debates etc.

@sandalisthemaker  Yes I know what your post meant.

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Angrywolves wrote...

Don't agree with those who like Morrigan 's look. Think it's just people wanting to be positive about the game even if it means they're not being objective/impartial or using critical thinking.


... What do people's opinions about Morrigan's looks really have to do with their overall thoughts on the game? It sounds to me like you are just trying to be combative about everything.

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Welsh Inferno wrote...

Its a controversy? Most has been positive feedback.

Eh, I only made this thread to get a general idea after few pages of what other people thought. Didnt think It'd go on for in-depth debates etc.

Well, some would like for it to be one, anyway.

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Angrywolves wrote...

Some of them are obviously in denial angel. Not a silly comment. An astute one. shrugs. Believe whatever you want.


Why are they "obviously" in denial? It's an aesthetic, subjective judgment. There's little reason for them to be in denial.


Filament wrote...

I'm not sure what the comparison photo was supposed to prove, except to make this controversy even sillier. For 10 years older and a different engine and artstyle her face still looks very similar. Better, even, according to taste anyway. Certainly more detailed.


The cheeks are full, not sallow.


It sounds silly, doesn't it? But I noticed it immediately.

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Morrigan's outfit looks Orlaisian! Maybe she's doing some undercover work...hell idk! I'm ok with the new look of the engine. It looks a lot more realistic especially coming from Origins graphics from 2009. This has come a far way!

We have to expect some changes from Origins! Bioware is great at creating character & their development. It's been 10 years since Origins story line so I expect Morrigan to grow a bit in every aspect from clothes to attitude and emotion especially if she has a kid (if you did the dark ritual)

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I think she looks great, I'm just hoping her personality is still as awesome as in DAO. B)

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EntropicAngel wrote...



The cheeks are full, not sallow.


It sounds silly, doesn't it? But I noticed it immediately.


This is mostly an optical illusion due to the cheeks and jaw being highlighted in her current look as opposed to the darker blush on her cheeks in the Origins model.