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[Welsh Inferno]

Angrywolves wrote...

You're being gross Aolbain because you're using your baser instincts. It has to do with aesthetics . A complex word for someone like you. It has to do with what is pleasing to the eye. That can be sexual or nosexual. shrugs.
As for the sandal player calling my comments laughable. I'll be polite and call his uninformed and leave it at that.

And you're being silly.

[atum]

Morrigan:

There is something frightening about the size of her lips they are just disproportional, to almost cartoon levels. Attractive or not, I find it very distracting. I just hope they fix this. It almost looks like Bioshock:Infinite (the proportions)

Varric:

Seems he turned human, was prettied up, and lost his awesomely unique snark look.

Casandra:
(really dont have a strong feeling here one way or the other)


THE REAL QUESTIONS!!!11

What will the elves and darkspawn look like? Flemmeth?

[DPSSOC]

I'm on the fence with the new look, not a huge fan of the emo fringe thing going on and something about the bottom half of her face just seems off. It's not bad though, it's no DA2 Allistair or Zevran.

[BGM]

I like 'em! Morrigan looks a little more Claudia Black-ish than before, but that is in no way a bad thing. She looks great! Cassandra looks... different, but it works for me. A stronger jaw definitely fits with her character, although obviously looks don't have much to do with personality.

Varric's appearance is just a cruel jab at all the people who wanted to romance him in DA II. I only want him more now. Although I hope that's not his finalized appearance because the thought of that glorious heavage going to waste makes me want to cry.

[Monica83]

Kinda like Varric.... Morringan have those different hairs that looks to much EMO for my taste but the face is not bad at all

[Angrywolves]

and you're being silly inferno. We can both get bans if you want to kerp this up. Your choice.

[syllogi]

It might be just me, but Morrigan's face looked a bit like Claudia Black in the trailer...and that was cool by me, it made her more realistic looking and less like a preset from the character creator.

I get why people get picky about their potential (or past) video game waifus...I was dismayed with how Alistair and Zevran looked in DA2 (although I still say Leliana's makeover made her just as pretty, though different), but this is still a year out. It's entirely possible that all three characters will be tweaked before the game goes gold. Suggestions aren't a terrible thing, but it's kind of silly to *demand* that the current designs are horrible and need to be scrapped. They were all recognizable, and other than the lack of Varric's chest hair, there was nothing eye gougingly wrong with their appearances.

Just keep Cassandra's short hair, and also work on that shirtless Varric model, please.

Modifié par syllogi, 12 juin 2013 - 12:09 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

As there is in all threads. They usually get ignored by the majority.

Those posts were silly, and were rightfully shunned by all.

But doesn't discount David's opinion either. Especially, since you seem to agree ("as there is in all threads"), even if you may disagree with the level of prevalence.

Also, please take note the specifics of the post I was replying to, as it provides context for why I stated my post.

Unfortunately one cannot let a few bad apples be the benchmark for how one judges the rest and In the end (negative) broad generalisations are rarely positive for discussion, they end up bunching many good people in with the bad. Taking part in this thread, discussing the appearance of female and/or male characters does not make one a misogynist or misandrist (not sure if thats the actual word). Which is why I said such generalisations and insinuation are not appreciated earlier.

I even agree that a developer has the right to retort to aggressive and derogatory comments aimed at them but the one in which he replied to aka mine was neither of those things so the contempt, passive aggressive sarcasm I felt was not justified. I also agree the developer should not pander to every fans request and create the content they want to create, in fact was one of the most vocal defenders of such idiologies on the ME3 forums.

However I feel it is a valid point of discussion to mention how when developing games that have large amount of content relating to love interests, romance and relationships, a carrying across of past characters and companions between titles plus a higher representation of female characters in the trailer compared to males...that it is valid avenue of discussion to talk about appearance and due to higher quantity of female characters shown, they would (in my mind) have higher level of responses about them from the trailer.

It is also I feel a situation encouraged by the sort of content you create as a studio even though my problem with Morrigan (I think) is a technical issue with model and/or rendering/lighting, I am pretty sure that the first thought in most (not all) people's minds when come into this thread to discuss what did not like about any characters appearance is not "Okay, if they do this or that I would totally bang her/him." .

For most it is a perceived difference between past and present character portrayals or what is percieved to be misalignment or disproportionate physical trait to other facial features on the character. While some will simply desire a more attractive character whether thats male or female, I simply do not feel it is fair to imply that merely taking part in such a discussion should tarnish people with a stigmatization from a developers past experiences discussing such topics with others not present or lump them in with the bad apples from the past.

Sorry, might have come across as a rant which was not intended and is not relating in any way to my perception of yourself as a person or how you express yourself in your own posts.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 juin 2013 - 12:22 .

[Zeldrik1389]

Aolbain wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Ultimately the video game business is a consumer generated business. A developer can feel like he's sitting in a castle, insulated from external events and rant and rage at the fans and say nobdy in the industry listens to fans. Developers who do that will ultimately get their come uppence. Their just deserts. People who don't listen to the fans will live to regret it. shrugs. Of course there are people who have posted on youtube and in other forums who don't like Morrigan's appearance either, so it's not just me. But like I said I expect things will improve before the game is released.

But its also people who do like her new appearance. And people who don't see the diffrence. And I don't see how they must change her beacuse some people can't ****** to her anymore. 

Dude! you read my mind =)))))

[Dragoonlordz]

Aolbain wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Ultimately the video game business is a consumer generated business. A developer can feel like he's sitting in a castle, insulated from external events and rant and rage at the fans and say nobdy in the industry listens to fans. Developers who do that will ultimately get their come uppence. Their just deserts. People who don't listen to the fans will live to regret it. shrugs. Of course there are people who have posted on youtube and in other forums who don't like Morrigan's appearance either, so it's not just me. But like I said I expect things will improve before the game is released.

But its also people who do like her new appearance. And people who don't see the diffrence. And I don't see how they must change her beacuse some people can't ****** to her anymore. 

True, they don't have to change it. I think it is and should be up to the developers to decide what to change.

But they and you could do without insulting those who might not feel 100% about a characters appearance. It is a very safe assumption that most of the people in here are not expressing dislike because they "can't ****** to her" (I cannot say all because I cannot read peoples minds). Quite frankly I find that last sentence of yours to be a very ignorant thing to say and very offensive to those who are taking part in the discussion which includes both men and women here taking part whom are not doing so for the reasons you claim.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 juin 2013 - 12:20 .

[duckley]

DPSSOC wrote...

I'm on the fence with the new look, not a huge fan of the emo fringe thing going on and something about the bottom half of her face just seems off. It's not bad though, it's no DA2 Allistair or Zevran.

Totally agree - Morrigan looks kind of scary and Varric looks kind of weird but neither are terrible.

[Dragoonlordz]

I hope they keep Varric the same from the trailer he was the one I liked most.

[Aolbain]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aolbain wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Ultimately the video game business is a consumer generated business. A developer can feel like he's sitting in a castle, insulated from external events and rant and rage at the fans and say nobdy in the industry listens to fans. Developers who do that will ultimately get their come uppence. Their just deserts. People who don't listen to the fans will live to regret it. shrugs. Of course there are people who have posted on youtube and in other forums who don't like Morrigan's appearance either, so it's not just me. But like I said I expect things will improve before the game is released.

But its also people who do like her new appearance. And people who don't see the diffrence. And I don't see how they must change her beacuse some people can't ****** to her anymore. 

True, they don't have to change it. I think it is and should be up to the developers to decide what to change.

But they and you could do without insulting those who might not feel 100% about a characters appearance. It is a very safe assumption that most of the people in here are not expressing dislike because they "can't ****** to her" (I cannot say all because I cannot read peoples minds). Quite frankly I find that last sentence of yours to be a very ignorant thing to say and very offensive to those who are taking part in the discussion which includes both men and women here taking part whom are not doing so for the reasons you claim.

Yes.That was a unfortunate choice of words (sorry angrywolves, dragonloordz and any one else that might have taken offence). I was trying to exaggerate to show that arguing that Morrigan don't look attractive any more might not be all that smart. But I failed at that. I am also aware that many (most) of those arguing for a change of appearance are not doing it for the reasons I stated. Once again, I'm sorry and I hope that we can now discuss this in civil forms.  
@Angrywolves: That does not change the fact that you are, to quote Welsh Inferno, silly and holds a patronizing attitude towards people. 

[thejellnuggz]

all y'all needa calm down some of you sound like children whining that they got vanilla instead of chocolate and are chucking a "no one understands me" tantrum

there's still a year and a half to go, and you only saw the characters for a few seconds it's kinda hard to judge (i think they all looked great from the few seconds they were onscreen for)

also the game doesn't revolve around character appearances (OH NO I SAID IT)

[Cyberfrog81]

Fine, I'll play.

Morrigan: Excellent.
Varric: Works. I certainly feel it's an improvement from DA2.
Cassandra: Less pretty, I suppose, but I don't care. A great look for the character.

[Dragoonlordz]

thejellnuggz wrote...

...also the game doesn't revolve around character appearances (OH NO I SAID IT)

Maybe not, but I imagine it would be pretty hard to play with colour coded stick figures.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 juin 2013 - 12:44 .

[SmokePants]

I instantly recognized every one of them and I bet most of you did, too. You all should realize that you're doing that thing gamers do when they nitpick screenshots to death, but when the game comes out and they're actually playing it, those "glaring", "immersion-breaking" issues evaporate into thin air. None of this crap will be discussed post-release. None of it.

Modifié par SmokePants, 12 juin 2013 - 12:47 .

[Dragoonlordz]

SmokePants wrote...

I instantly recognized every one of them and I bet most of you did, too. You all should realize that you're doing that thing gamers do when they pick screenshots apart and then when the game comes out and they're playing it, those "glaring", "immersion-breaking" issues evaporate into thin air. None of this crap will be discussed post-release. None of it.

I hope your right, I think it's quite possible given my problem with it I felt was maybe a technical one not intended. But I could be wrong and while not even close to a deal breaker for me I feel would be shame if during the development was not improved but I am not going to throw a hissy fit if they do not fix what I perceived to be an issue with the lips and jaw of Morrigan's model when she speaks, instead merely a very slight, tiny, maybe microscopic disappointment that was not addressed. For all I know it was just a rendering or lighting effect in the trailer having what I thought was a negative outcome.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 juin 2013 - 12:51 .

[Sister Goldring]

I thought they all looked fantastic. So much more lifelike than the previous games and the skin looked incredible (I keep going back to look at Varric's, I find it breathtaking.) The light in the trailer was so beautiful. I think the artists have done the most wonderful job, I'm totally blown away. If there was a buy me button attached to the trailer I would have hit that thing in a second!

[Iakus]

duckley wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

I'm on the fence with the new look, not a huge fan of the emo fringe thing going on and something about the bottom half of her face just seems off. It's not bad though, it's no DA2 Allistair or Zevran.

Totally agree - Morrigan looks kind of scary and Varric looks kind of weird but neither are terrible.

just let me be able to see both of Morrigan's eyes at once. 

[thejellnuggz]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

thejellnuggz wrote...

...also the game doesn't revolve around character appearances (OH NO I SAID IT)

Maybe not, but I imagine it would be pretty hard to play with colour coded stick figures.

Yes but that argument is irrelevant in this situation considering people are getting mad over slightly wider jaws

[Savber100]

Poll posted: social.bioware.com/1410663/polls/46089/




I want to gauge the BSN overall opinion.  

[xAmilli0n]

I love Morrigan's new look, kinda what I had imagined she would look like after the time gap.

Varric and Cassandra both look good as well. Overall, I'm happy with all the new character designs.

[neonmoth]

I know it's probably wishful thinking on my part but I really hope they won't change much in all three characters' looks. I like how their faces are still similar and reflect their personalities without having slightly exaggerated features present in the previous games. I absolutely love Morri's nose and Cassandra's jaw! (yep, I have a thing for wide jaws and long noses...) Love the detail! Now I can't wait to meet new characters

Modifié par neonmoth, 12 juin 2013 - 12:59 .

[kirvingtwo]

I like the new looks. Cassandra still has short hair, Yay!
Pity Morrigan is wearing a dress though and not showing off new, practical mage pants.