xMister Vx wrote...
A great human Empire does not really have ambassadors. It has Inquisitors.
Let's leave stuff like that to the universe where it belongs, namely, Warhammer 40K. ME2 is not about that.
You've got several things wrong, story-wise.Peer of the Empire wrote...
The Council is dead and humanity controls the Citadel. If I want to conquer the galaxy I will. If ME2 is not about anything, it is not about fruity paragons.
Dr_Vile wrote...
How difficult is it to discuss this topic without using spoilers?!? It's a freaking nightmare!
Anyway, I have to disagree. I think Udina is a great ambassador: the right mix of pressure and acquiesence, when appropriate, of course.
One of the most common complaints seems to be that he's self-serving. I never got that from him, though. To me, he always seems to put humanity's interests above everything else. Don't forget: when Shep first meets the council, Udina backs him up all the way. But he does it because it's in humanity's best interests to get Shep made a Spectre. Similarly, when Shep shows up at the citadel near the end, Udina double-crosses him in order to protect humanity's reputation with galactic civilisation. At that point, Shep's become something of a doomsayer, spouting rhetoric about death and destruction and a mythical ancient machine race intent on wiping out all civilisation (without offering any real concrete evidence I might add.) Of course we know Shep's right, but the council and Udina don't.
In my mind, that's what an ambassador should be: cunning, ruthless and able to put the needs of humanity above one spectre with a penchant for apocalyptic oratory.
My Shep is almost always paragon, so I almost always save the council... but I still usually elect Udina to the human seat, because I think he's best for the job.
Mind you, I loved it when Anderson punched that smug git right in the face.
xMister Vx wrote...
You've got several things wrong, story-wise.Peer of the Empire wrote...
The Council is dead and humanity controls the Citadel. If I want to conquer the galaxy I will. If ME2 is not about anything, it is not about fruity paragons.
The "new, human-led council" (if you haven't saved them) did nothing to change the situation, which is explicitly stated by Jacob.
And I hate to break it to you, but Mass Effect is not about conquering the galaxy. Hey, I'd love to have a game where you become its ruler, but this is not the case with ME.
Lastly, I would argue BioWare has always supported paragons ("good", "light", etc.) more. I feel like there hasn't been a chance to play a properly evil character... unless your idea of evil is bashing heads in.
But I digress, and this thread is about Udina. Who isn't the worst ambassador ever, but not the brightest, either.
Dr_Vile wrote...
How difficult is it to discuss this topic without using spoilers?!? It's a freaking nightmare!
Anyway, I have to disagree. I think Udina is a great ambassador: the right mix of pressure and acquiesence, when appropriate, of course.
One of the most common complaints seems to be that he's self-serving. I never got that from him, though. To me, he always seems to put humanity's interests above everything else. Don't forget: when Shep first meets the council, Udina backs him up all the way. But he does it because it's in humanity's best interests to get Shep made a Spectre. Similarly, when Shep shows up at the citadel near the end, Udina double-crosses him in order to protect humanity's reputation with galactic civilisation. At that point, Shep's become something of a doomsayer, spouting rhetoric about death and destruction and a mythical ancient machine race intent on wiping out all civilisation (without offering any real concrete evidence I might add.) Of course we know Shep's right, but the council and Udina don't.
In my mind, that's what an ambassador should be: cunning, ruthless and able to put the needs of humanity above one spectre with a penchant for apocalyptic oratory.
My Shep is almost always paragon, so I almost always save the council... but I still usually elect Udina to the human seat, because I think he's best for the job.
Mind you, I loved it when Anderson punched that smug git right in the face.
xMister Vx wrote...
You've got several things wrong, story-wise.Peer of the Empire wrote...
The Council is dead and humanity controls the Citadel. If I want to conquer the galaxy I will. If ME2 is not about anything, it is not about fruity paragons.
The "new, human-led council" (if you haven't saved them) did nothing to change the situation, which is explicitly stated by Jacob.
And I hate to break it to you, but Mass Effect is not about conquering the galaxy. Hey, I'd love to have a game where you become its ruler, but this is not the case with ME.
Lastly, I would argue BioWare has always supported paragons ("good", "light", etc.) more. I feel like there hasn't been a chance to play a properly evil character... unless your idea of evil is bashing heads in.
But I digress, and this thread is about Udina. Who isn't the worst ambassador ever, but not the brightest, either.
Tamyn wrote...
*dramatic fist-clench!*
My shep was renegade and Udina refused to let me have other races on the council.....so there is only ONE council race for me, humans! However, I don't like Udina. lol
Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 17 janvier 2010 - 07:03 .
DarthReavus wrote...
Udina should be demoted to janitor and assigned to cleaning the Krogan bathrooms. That'd be fun for him
Modifié par Stephenc13, 17 janvier 2010 - 07:17 .
ToshiStation38 wrote...
I like the character. I just hate how he makes all humans look like loud and angry bullies.
tommythetomcat wrote...
ToshiStation38 wrote...
I like the character. I just hate how he makes all humans look like loud and angry bullies.
Yeah humans are nothing like that
ThisIsMadness91 wrote...
Udina seems too aggressive to be a suitable ambassador, IMO. He may have humanity's best interests in mind, but he needs to realise that humanity is part of a huge galactic community now, and the Council already has a lot of problems to deal with (not that I particularly like them or anything). He also seems rather arrogant and selfish. His "With my help, of course." line really irks me.
RevengeofNewton wrote...
Udina is ineffective. His is incapable of doing what needs to be done and only cares about his own skin.
ExarKun00720 wrote...
I think Udina is a good ambassador, just not a good Councilman. I feel Anderson should be the councilor and Udina just pull his strings from the side, gives Earth a good public image with Anderson and has a guy really calling the shots a brilliant leader... to bad doesn't seem to be an option,
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