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[Zomg_A_Chicken]

Did anyone care for the council?



lol

[ExarKun00720]

Zomg_A_Chicken wrote...

Did anyone care for the council?

lol

We just wanted to save them to see if we could romance the council=]:happy:

[izmirtheastarach]

I'd like to romance the Asari council member.

[Garndell]

My grandad was a diplomat and if he'd acted anything like udina he'd have been given the boot very fast. I NEVER appoint Udina on the basis that he's incompetent & a disruptive force. That and I really, really wanted to to throw him into space without a suit.

[Ktauliss]

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

the council got tired of your stupid dream about killer robots, so Udina took charge and showed the council that humanity can keep it self in check. remember what happend too the first specter? kieth david (captain anderson, im a fan of the actor and his voice is great) the first f*cked thinsg up and sended the humans a few steps back with the council.

the fear of another backlash of a human spectre might even cancel the humans chances with getting into the council. hey they might just like the volus have to stand by the sideline and see the big bad races do all the discions. setting back the humans for a hundred years before they even think of a nother human specter.

i can get the idee you think that he isnt a good politican but HUMANITY PUT HIM THERE FOR A REASON! we only see the confrontations with us, those are useually verry tense.

and lets faced it you feel screwed over , thats why you hate him!

be objective people!

First off you obviously did not ask Anderson for his version of what happened when he and Saren worked together .... Briefly.  I am guessing you also did not Read Mass Effect: Revelation as that gives quite alot of Insight into what happened, why, and how.  **Spoiler** What happened was not because Anderson ****ed anything up.

Second the Events of Mass Effect happen a mere 35 years after we found the Prothean ruins on Mars and 25 after we Encountered the Turians.  Compare that to say the Turians (the third Council Race) granted a place on the council 200 years after Contact, or The Batarians who got an Embassy (which they closed in protest over us) 100 years after contact.

Yes, as a human I think we should have a voice in decisions which affect us as Humanity, BUT .... I also think 35 years is far too short an interval for us to be Demanding a right to make decisions which affect Races that have had space travel (in some cases) longer than we have had 'language'

My 'Personal' opinion is that 'Ambassador' Udina should not be leading a boy scout troop much less representing us to the Galaxy.

Modifié par Ktauliss, 18 janvier 2010 - 12:12 .

[Andorfiend]

Dr_Vile wrote...

At that point, Shep's become something of a doomsayer, spouting rhetoric about death and destruction and a mythical ancient machine race intent on wiping out all civilisation (without offering any real concrete evidence I might add.)

Actually you have buckets of evidence at that point including sensor logs of Sovereign in action, Saren's research logs, the testimony of both Saren and Sovereign himself, the testimony of the Salarians you rescued from his labs, and the physical evidence from Eden Prime. Oh, and the testimony of Liara.Heck, why didn't the Asari council woman mind meld with Shepard in order to see the Beacon visions? There's no reason it had to be merely hearsay. Frankly both the Council and Udina are dribbling morons to ignore you at this point.

edit: Oh, and Shiala (right?) the Asari commando from Feros. Seriously, how much more evidence could the council have possibly needed? Heck, they booted Saren from the Spectres on the basis of a single, easily faked audio file.

Modifié par Andorfiend, 18 janvier 2010 - 12:17 .

[Arrtis]

i think udina knows what to do...if he has good info.

[Marlina]

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[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

Ktauliss wrote...

Lonely_Fat_Guy wrote...

the council got tired of your stupid dream about killer robots, so Udina took charge and showed the council that humanity can keep it self in check. remember what happend too the first specter? kieth david (captain anderson, im a fan of the actor and his voice is great) the first f*cked thinsg up and sended the humans a few steps back with the council.

the fear of another backlash of a human spectre might even cancel the humans chances with getting into the council. hey they might just like the volus have to stand by the sideline and see the big bad races do all the discions. setting back the humans for a hundred years before they even think of a nother human specter.

i can get the idee you think that he isnt a good politican but HUMANITY PUT HIM THERE FOR A REASON! we only see the confrontations with us, those are useually verry tense.

and lets faced it you feel screwed over , thats why you hate him!

be objective people!

First off you obviously did not ask Anderson for his version of what happened when he and Saren worked together .... Briefly.  I am guessing you also did not Read Mass Effect: Revelation as that gives quite alot of Insight into what happened, why, and how.  **Spoiler** What happened was not because Anderson ****ed anything up.

Second the Events of Mass Effect happen a mere 35 years after we found the Prothean ruins on Mars and 25 after we Encountered the Turians.  Compare that to say the Turians (the third Council Race) granted a place on the council 200 years after Contact, or The Batarians who got an Embassy (which they closed in protest over us) 100 years after contact.

Yes, as a human I think we should have a voice in decisions which affect us as Humanity, BUT .... I also think 35 years is far too short an interval for us to be Demanding a right to make decisions which affect Races that have had space travel (in some cases) longer than we have had 'language'

My 'Personal' opinion is that 'Ambassador' Udina should not be leading a boy scout troop much less representing us to the Galaxy.

wow your an complete utter idiot, obviously i didnt askandersons version? HAHA ofcourse i did !

but cnfronted with the fortunitive demise of the council he goes crying.

ITS NOT WHAT YOU KNOW ITS WHAT THE CARACTERS KNOW IN THE GAME, and thats nothing !
im stating my vieuw on what these characters know! not what i know as a player who finished the game more then once.

thanks for the extra information, i always didnt like the years between first contact and humans on the citidal.

its way too soon, this is something they should have adjusted imo. its just way too fast. given those years humans shoud indeed not jump the gun.

but like i said, from my eyes udina didnt do much wrong. he isnt subtle but it makes it fun.

like biowares other good characters you love em or hate them. this is one of those that really gives an emotion toot the player. well done bioware

Modifié par Lonely_Fat_Guy, 18 janvier 2010 - 06:24 .

[GmanFresh]

He is just a loud moron. He stomps his feet and gets us nothing. the man doesnt get results

[ammit23]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Irrelevant, Udina now IS the council.

He's a bawss

Not in my playthrough's...

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

Andorfiend wrote...

Dr_Vile wrote...

At that point, Shep's become something of a doomsayer, spouting rhetoric about death and destruction and a mythical ancient machine race intent on wiping out all civilisation (without offering any real concrete evidence I might add.)

Actually you have buckets of evidence at that point including sensor logs of Sovereign in action, Saren's research logs, the testimony of both Saren and Sovereign himself, the testimony of the Salarians you rescued from his labs, and the physical evidence from Eden Prime. Oh, and the testimony of Liara.Heck, why didn't the Asari council woman mind meld with Shepard in order to see the Beacon visions? There's no reason it had to be merely hearsay. Frankly both the Council and Udina are dribbling morons to ignore you at this point.

edit: Oh, and Shiala (right?) the Asari commando from Feros. Seriously, how much more evidence could the council have possibly needed? Heck, they booted Saren from the Spectres on the basis of a single, easily faked audio file.

yup, its like a movie not everything is dead on, there counter arguments too your arguments, but meh.

its all cercomstential. and it makes for a more enticing game, if it were thta easy to prove it the game would suck.

besides they didnt know soverign as a reaper. the emmisons and what not were not detected.

[Lonely_Fat_Guy]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Irrelevant, Udina now IS the council.

He's a bawss

HIT ON DEBRA! LIKE A BAWSS!

GET REJECTED! LIKE A BAWSS!

SWALLOW SADNESS! LIKE A BAWSS!

epic,

udina rocks!

[talon4000]

Udina would do better at Cerberous than being a political leader of the galaxy

[Big_Stupid_Jelly]

Andorfiend wrote...

Dr_Vile wrote...

At that point, Shep's become something of a doomsayer, spouting rhetoric about death and destruction and a mythical ancient machine race intent on wiping out all civilisation (without offering any real concrete evidence I might add.)

Actually you have buckets of evidence at that point including sensor logs of Sovereign in action, Saren's research logs, the testimony of both Saren and Sovereign himself, the testimony of the Salarians you rescued from his labs, and the physical evidence from Eden Prime. Oh, and the testimony of Liara.Heck, why didn't the Asari council woman mind meld with Shepard in order to see the Beacon visions? There's no reason it had to be merely hearsay. Frankly both the Council and Udina are dribbling morons to ignore you at this point.

edit: Oh, and Shiala (right?) the Asari commando from Feros. Seriously, how much more evidence could the council have possibly needed? Heck, they booted Saren from the Spectres on the basis of a single, easily faked audio file.

While I agree with you in part, you do need to see the Council's point of view on this. We know what's happening because we 'are' Shepherd. but they don't. They know Saren is extremely resourceful, which is why they think he's leading you on, with subterfuge and deception tactics.

Also, and here's the crux of the problem, they just can't come to terms with the enormity of the problem you present, in that he's bringing back something which supposedly destroyed all intelligent life 50,000years ago. They know he's a threat and thats why they act like they do, but its not enough unfortunately.

[Zulu_DFA]

Valheras wrote...

From what I read about his predeccessor, she sure wasn't.

And she failed to make Anderson the 1st human spectre.

Udina, worst ambassador ever, succeded in making Shepard the 1st human spectre.

This is, of course, irrefutable evidence of Unina's utter incompetence, and his predecessor's aptitude.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 janvier 2010 - 07:24 .

[izmirtheastarach]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Valheras wrote...

From what I read about his predeccessor, she sure wasn't.

And that is why she failed.

Except for the fart where she saved humanitiy from being economically devestated. By talking. Not yelling. If Udina has been Ambassador, there probably would have been a war.

[Zulu_DFA]

izmirtheastarach wrote...

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

Valheras wrote...

From what I read about his predeccessor, she sure wasn't.

And that is why she failed.

Except for the fart where she saved humanitiy from being economically devestated. By talking. Not yelling. If Udina has been Ambassador, there probably would have been a war.

It is granted that Council races need Humanity to develop the Attican Traverse and absorb any collateral damage it tags. That's why the Council against the escalation of the 1st Contact war or trade emargo over some silly AI stuff. Hey, they don't even care about rogue AIs on the Presidium!

And Udina simply put Humanity on the Council (in the very least).