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[Metallica93]

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

[Mello]

Metallica93 wrote...

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

It was a huge success despite the ending. 

[Metallica93]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Metallica93 wrote...

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

It was a huge success despite the ending. 

Honestly, I thought that it didn't sell as well as the first two. Hilarious .gif, by the way

Highly doubt anything more will be said about this week, sadly.

[Iakus]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Metallica93 wrote...

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

It was a huge success despite the ending. 

Massive preorders tend to do that 

[Metallica93]

iakus wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Metallica93 wrote...

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

It was a huge success despite the ending. 

Massive preorders tend to do that 

Ah, there we go. EA really likes to push the pre-order, don't they? <_<

[Cainne Chapel]

The game sold a bit better than ME2 did. Which sold more than ME1 did.

So why WOULDN'T it be a success? Yeah I know, the backlash, still, didn't stop the game from selling well.

I mean hey look at CoD, people HATE the game if the internet is to be believed and it still sells like gangbusters every year too.

[JonathonPR]

I don't have any desire for ME4 until it is released. Bioware has only reinforced a lesson from 40k. "Hope it the first step on the path to disappointment."

Without retcons of ME2 and ME3 I expect that they will continue to try to grab onto the shooter market while neglecting the RPG interaction with story that is their only saving grace.

I was so hoping that the new Halo would be an RPG but I guess not.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...
Massive preorders tend to do that 

Well, that and consistent sales since April of last year.

[Metallica93]

JonathonPR wrote...

I don't have any desire for ME4 until it is released. Bioware has only reinforced a lesson from 40k. "Hope it the first step on the path to disappointment."

Without retcons of ME2 and ME3 I expect that they will continue to try to grab onto the shooter market while neglecting the RPG interaction with story that is their only saving grace.

I was so hoping that the new Halo would be an RPG but I guess not.

Halo always interested me, but not when it's jumping platforms. I enjoyed the first two the most, but then you had God knows how many games for the 360 and now Halo 5 for the XBone. It's too much for me. I'll just Google the storylines at this point.

As far as ME4 goes, I only want to hear a few, initial tidbits. I don't usually prey on rumors about rumors, but Mass Effect instantly hooked me. It's a universe that I don't want to become stale or lethargic in gameplay/storytelling.

[Sanunes]

Metallica93 wrote...

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

Metallica93 wrote...

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

It was a huge success despite the ending. 

Honestly, I thought that it didn't sell as well as the first two. Hilarious .gif, by the way

Highly doubt anything more will be said about this week, sadly.

Its really hard to tell with 100% accuracy because unless the game sells really well and they make press annoucement about it, they rarely tell us game sales.  Looking at VGChartz ME3 followed the same sales trend as ME2, but had a higher initial sales, so in one year it sold the same as the three years ME2 was released (well close to).

I am indifferent to the ending, but I understand some of the outrage towards it, but I do think the internet and social media makes it seem far worse then what it is because people who dislike something are more likely to talk about it then those that aren't bothered by it.  Look at going to a restaurant how often do you call out for the chef or the other staff and mention how great the meal is, versus is if something is wrong? I have only seen someone give their thanks to the cook for their meal once, but I have seen many people yelling and cursing at the waiter/waitress because their meal wasn't up to their standards and most of the time its been something simple. 

[AlanC9]

And here I thought this was going to be an ME4 thread. Silly me.

[Solmanian]

This is pretty ancient news. They anounced ME4 is underwork around the time of the EC release. I hope that all of it will be like the citadel DLC. I know it was pure fanservice; but I'm a fan, and I like being serviced.

[Ninja Stan]

EA likely looks at "actual number of games sold" rather than "how the internet thinks we did" when determining whether a game is a success.

[Metallica93]

Solmanian wrote...

This is pretty ancient news. They anounced ME4 is underwork around the time of the EC release. I hope that all of it will be like the citadel DLC. I know it was pure fanservice; but I'm a fan, and I like being serviced.

AlanC9 wrote...

And here I thought this was going to be an ME4 thread. Silly me.

My mistake. All of the ME4 threads I've seen were based on speculation and what the fans want out of it, but I just heard about there actually being an ME4 late yesterday. 15% excited, 80% nervous, and that other 10% is somewhere around here...

Plus, I only got into the trilogy this February. People give me a expression on occasion not knowing I'm actually quite new, lol.

Modifié par Metallica93, 11 juin 2013 - 06:31 .

[Erez Kristal]

Ninja Stan wrote...

EA likely looks at "actual number of games sold" rather than "how the internet thinks we did" when determining whether a game is a success.

reputation affect future profits. mass effect 3 damaged bioware reputation.
bioware repuation after me1 and me2 was fairly high.

After dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 they will have a much harder time selling a low scoring game.
And yes 'player reviews' do matter.



For example: following mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 I knew i would play mass effect 3 the only way it wouldnt happen would have been if it received really low scores.
as things turned out it failed to check meta-critic and setteled only for gamespot player reviews. 

Same story for dragon age 2. i really loved dragon age 1 and felt it was one of the best games in recent years. but dragon age 2 was terribile in almost every way.

Dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 may have been succesful in revenue but the damage they both did to bioware reputation as video games makers is unquestionable. 

Despite the fact of dragon age 2 being worse than me3 it did less damage because it was a spinoff to the original dragon age. while mass effect 3 simply destroyed the franchise story, shepard character and our suspension of desbelief. and just to be clear. the ending play a very little part in all of this. 

I am not saying mass effect 4 wont be successful in revenue or player reviews. i am saying it will have to do a better job at proving itself worthy and ea will have a harder job selling it than mass effect 3.

Modifié par erezike, 11 juin 2013 - 06:49 .

[IanPolaris]

Metallica93 wrote...

Watching that E3 convention (was interesting the first time I watched it last year) and apparently ME4 is being worked on in Montreal.

Also, apparently ME3 was a "huge success." lol

It was, but you also have to understand that ME3 had a full fledged Multiplayer mode complete with microtransactions, and ME1 and ME2 did not.  This is like comparing a porsche to a toyota corolla.

I happen to know that the microtransaction model that ME3 used it was a huge commercial success, and those that played ME3 for multiplayer could (for the most part) care less about the endings (or most of the SP game).  Given that, I am not at all suprised to hear that ME3 was a 'huge success'.  The fact that BW: Montreal is making the next Mass Effect game tells me all I need to know about what part of ME3 commercially suceeded and what sort of game it is liable to be (and I am guessing not an RPG at all).

-Polaris

[IanPolaris]

erezike wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

EA likely looks at "actual number of games sold" rather than "how the internet thinks we did" when determining whether a game is a success.

reputation affect future profits. mass effect 3 damaged bioware reputation.
bioware repuation after me1 and me2 was fairly high.

After dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 they will have a much harder time selling a low scoring game.
And yes 'player reviews' do matter.

While I tend to agree, in the case of ME3, I really do think that Bioware managed to suceed where they failed in DA2, namely they succeeded at gaining enough new fans/income to completely offset the old fans that were 'fired'.  Doing this is a very tricky and risky strategy but it does sometimes work and apparently it did work for ME3.

-Polaris

[Erez Kristal]

IanPolaris wrote...

erezike wrote...

Ninja Stan wrote...

EA likely looks at "actual number of games sold" rather than "how the internet thinks we did" when determining whether a game is a success.

reputation affect future profits. mass effect 3 damaged bioware reputation.
bioware repuation after me1 and me2 was fairly high.

After dragon age 2 and mass effect 3 they will have a much harder time selling a low scoring game.
And yes 'player reviews' do matter.

While I tend to agree, in the case of ME3, I really do think that Bioware managed to suceed where they failed in DA2, namely they succeeded at gaining enough new fans/income to completely offset the old fans that were 'fired'.  Doing this is a very tricky and risky strategy but it does sometimes work and apparently it did work for ME3.

-Polaris

I dont know the numbers of how many new fans bioware managed to swing its way.
I do know what the player reviews are saying. and if you compare those reviews to mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 you will find a clear pattern.

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-2

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-3

Modifié par erezike, 11 juin 2013 - 06:52 .

[AlanC9]

But Metacritic user reviews aren't a random sample. Bioware could reasonably believe that the data you're pointing to is meaningless, since a large proportion of the people writing those reviews are the fired fans, not the current ones.

[AlanC9]

IanPolaris wrote...

While I tend to agree, in the case of ME3, I really do think that Bioware managed to suceed where they failed in DA2, namely they succeeded at gaining enough new fans/income to completely offset the old fans that were 'fired'.  Doing this is a very tricky and risky strategy but it does sometimes work and apparently it did work for ME3.

I'm not sure I'd say that ME3 represents a shift in strategy from ME2. Worse execution, but pretty much the same strategy as far as I can see.

[Cainne Chapel]

Yeah ME2 and ME3 really followed along the same path lines, Only ill will anyone can REALLY level at ME3 is lack of fulfilling ending (to some), which is hardly a merit as to a game being viable or not. Also one would have to take into account opinion on that matter. But game wise ME3 was what a sequel should be compared to ME2 in any case. Though one would also have to mention ME2 is a major shift away from the game play in ME1 was. Though to some, it was arguably better in areas and worse in others.

As for ME4, I am looking forward to what the team has planned, as I have yet to play an ME i didn't like. (except for Infiltrator.... I dont play mobile phone games(

[Erez Kristal]

I dont know about good shift or bad shift.
I only know that players score wise its mass effect 2> mass effect 1 > mass effect 3
mass effect 3 gap is between 6 points to 40.
meta critic maybe the fired fans best source. buts its hard to argue with that many angry reviews and such a big gap between mass effect 2 and mass effect 3 on all platforms( playstation, xbox and pc)

Bad game is a bad game http://social.biowar...ndex/13109485/1

[Metallica93]

IanPolaris wrote...

and those that played ME3 for multiplayer could (for the most part) care less about the endings (or most of the SP game).

I can add 'playing multiplayer in a game meant for single player' (along with people starting the trilogy at ME2) to the list of things I'll never understand. It's like reading the second book first.

And this whole "multiplayer in every game" business EA is doing is destroying what I like about gaming. The best/most recent example is "Spec Ops: The Line." One of the themes in the game made that exact sentiment known and yet the publisher made another developer create a multiplayer aspect. ME3 was extremely lucky their multiplayer was good.

The fact that BW: Montreal is making the next Mass Effect game tells me all I need to know about what part of ME3 commercially suceeded and what sort of game it is liable to be (and I am guessing not an RPG at all).

I knew nothing about Montreal or Edmonton until 5 minutes ago. No idea what that's supposed to mean, but all I know is that Edmonton were the original ME team.

And that Metacritic fan rating for ME3 was hilarious.

[Erez Kristal]

I agree with metallica. its best to seperate the two. and make the multiplayer a spinoff game with more depth to it.

[Sanunes]

erezike wrote...

-snip- 

I dont know the numbers of how many new fans bioware managed to swing its way.
I do know what the player reviews are saying. and if you compare those reviews to mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 you will find a clear pattern.

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-2

http://www.metacriti...c/mass-effect-3

I don't believe Metacritic at all, I rather go to IGN's video review and watch it muted and make my mind up from what I am watching there.  Too many instances (including Mass Effect 3) there have been campaings to bomb a score and it also doesn't limit it to people that have bought the game.