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[Nobz Giblitz]

No matter what the game will play like and what the developers either took out or kept in.  I still think the Pros will outweigh the cons by far in this game.

[Terror_K]

Don't get me wrong... I don't think ME2 is going to be a horrible failure of a game. I just feel that with these changes for me personally it's going to be a 7/10 or 8/10 at the most instead of a 9 or perfect 10.

[Stahljaeger]

The whole armor thing pisses me off. I am quite excited for this game. But the simple fact that you cannot equip your squad mates with armor really irks me more than it should.... to the point where the game will be significantly less enjoyable.

[Jonathan Shepard]

DeathCultArm wrote...

Their making the game more acessiable. While shunning some of the original fan-base, they are attracting many new prospective gamers.

IMO they've made alot of sideways steps, instead of striaght forward. OK, you add armor customization for shep, but the squad is now reduced to outfits?

You get rid of medi-gel, and heath auto regens, but you add ammo?

Ok now weapons are upgradable, but the ENTIRE inventosy system is gone.

No more Mako mountain climbing, but now it completely removed?

Armor is now cosmetically customizable, yet upgrades are gone?

Ammo powers are now player powers, but there are only 4 kinds?

I can't judge the game, as it could still be great. But it just seems like BW made alot fo drastic, uncessary design choices.

This pretty much sums up my thoughts on it as well. But think of it like the transition from Halo 1 to Halo 2. Sure, maybe since it's a shooter it wasn't as drastic when it came to the whole customization and leveling, but look at the graphic difference. Look at the depth of story difference. You actually play as covenant in Halo 2. Many new species were introduced, and Elites were almost entirely absent in Halo 3/ODST, but otherwise the transition from H2 to H3 was much easier to handle.

Just as it will be from ME2 to ME3 most likely.
I know it's not gonna be the same as ME1... I mean, the menus are orange now instead of blue, and that for me is what makes you really go "Okay, this is NOT the same game anymore..."
in my opinion.

Same story, yes. But it's two years later. Things have changed. We'll get used to it. 

[Griffiths2007]

Well, I've almost completed it now doing most of the side missions and all of the loyalty quests and...it was okay at best. I can't understand why so many reviews are saying "best game of the year, already" etc. To me it just feels like another cover based shooter. It still has something, but it doesn't have nearly half the depth or immersion as the 1st one. It's just so small (despite the fact it's taking longer to complete I just feel like I'm p*ssing about half the time scanning planets i.e boring). In the first one I felt like I was in the middle of this huge galaxy that was vast and interesting. Now, I may aswell be playing Halo. The twists in the first game really shocked and captivated me. In the second one I was just like "oh...okay". I'm not quite sure what's missing from the story this time round but something definetely is.



/rant.



P.S also because your crew are pretty much all boring b*stards in this one, with "problems". They have the likeability factor of a hobo's shoe.

[Retsugi]

I really loved the first Mass Effect, and well being an RPG fan who grew up with games like "Arcanum" and "Morrowind".
I was impressed with how such a great game like Mass Effect was able to include "RPG" traits in a shooter based game, even if some weren't perfect it was still fun.

What I like about ME2's gameplay:
- Armor customization
And well that's about it...

What I don't like about ME2's gameplay:
- Missing stat system (It wasn't overly in-depth but I still loved it in ME1)
- Hacking stuff (It might be okay once I'm use to it but hacking stuff just annoys me in ME2)
- Loot & Inventory (I never had an issue with the PC Inventory in ME1 and I loved finding loot especially when it was ridiculously valuable in later levels haha)
- Combat feels clunky and somewhat slower than in ME1 (I'm not really sure how to explain it, it's not terrible but I MUCH rather ME1's combat With ME2 physics)
- The awesome hairstyle my shepard used in ME1 looks freaking hidious in ME2 (That really ugly one with the fringe, it looked so much better in ME1)
- Limited ammo (Seems silly to moan about I know but I guess I just prefer the Overheat system in ME1 because that's how Mass effect was)


I've tried and tried to convince myself that I play for the story, but It just doesn't feel quite right without the mechanics and features in ME1 we all know and love, it wasn't like ME1 was a heavy RPG game, it was a shooter with fun/nice RPG traits that I loved.

Modifié par Retsugi, 01 mars 2010 - 09:51 .

[Wildfire Darkstar]

Retsugi wrote...
- Combat feels clunky and somewhat slower than in ME1 (I'm not really sure how to explain it, it's not terrible but I MUCH rather ME1's combat With ME2 physics)

Same here, but we're definitely in the minority. Combat in ME2 is much more shooter-styled, and the simple reality is that it's more enjoyable and approachable to most gamers. If you're not used to, skilled at, or comfortable with the mechanics of the system (which is true for me, though I can't speak for you), then it feels clunkier and less enjoyable (and probably less rewarding).

But the mechanics of the first game were apparently soundly hated by a large number of players. It was one of my favorite aspects of the game, but, hey, one man's coal is another man's diamond, I guess.

- The awesome hairstyle my shepard used in ME1 looks freaking hidious in ME2 (That really ugly one with the fringe, it looked so much better in ME1)

As someone who's played the original multiple times, I'm just envious of the fact that you were actually able to produce a decent-looking character using the character creation options. I'm not saying ME2 got it any better, but it couldn't have done any worse if the designers had actually tried.

- Limited ammo (Seems silly to moan about I know but I guess I just prefer the Overheat system in ME1 because that's how Mass effect was)

I think this just sort of falls into the same category as the problems you had with the combat system: ammo/reloads and the cover system are really what distinguish the combat in ME2 from the combat in ME1. If you don't like one or the other, it follows that you probably won't like the revised combat system.

[Retsugi]

Things like combat and ammo I could get use to if they were the only real changes in ME2 but with everything else, it adds up and seems wrong.

I don't understand how being made to press something just to take cover is better than you automatically covering in the previous game (Not to mention the lack of crouch) and Shepard sprinting like 500kg robot in ME2 compared to sprinting like an Athlete in ME1 is not what I'd consider "better" or an "improvement".

And yeah I have a "good" looking Shepard that I'm really quite proud of haha, I prefer him over John Shepard anyway.

Modifié par Retsugi, 01 mars 2010 - 10:10 .

[Trauma3x]

i like the new system with 1 acception, the game needs a helmet toggle. i love the squads outfits and dont mind any armor for them, however , i would have like to customized my squads threads colors. imagine miranda in a all red leather outfit, that would have been cool. i hope BW put out some more armor peices soon since i really dont use any of the dlc cause of the helmet issue and hope new dlc for causual ware. i,m tird of looking like ahospital orderly

[Andaius20]

So you want Miranda to be Mord-Sith?



Anyway, I have to agree I didn't really like the changes the OP mentions, I really would have like to see ME 1's systems improved upon instead of completely chucked.

[Wildfire Darkstar]

Retsugi wrote...
I don't understand how being made to press something just to take cover is better than you automatically covering in the previous game (Not to mention the lack of crouch) and Shepard sprinting like 500kg robot in ME2 compared to sprinting like an Athlete in ME1 is not what I'd consider "better" or an "improvement".

I can't decide if the new cover system works or not for me, ultimately, but in principle I can defend the decision to move away from the "automatic cover" system of ME1. For me, at least, ME1 Shep would cling to walls with a slight touch, but, once attached, would stick like a magnet. As a result, there were a couple of times I got stuck to the wrong side of "cover" directly in the enemy's line-of-fire. Making cover a separate, deliberate action adds an extra step to the combat process, yeah, but it also eliminates some awkward control aspects of the first game.

All IMO, of course, and, as I said, the new cover system isn't without it's own flaws that prevent me from embracing it uncritically.

[Andaius20]

However having the charge/sprint/use/take cover button the same thing like in ME 2 you get the same problems. I can tell you stories about my insanity play through where your inability to turn while running would lead you to "nick" some cover and get your sorry butt glued to the wrong side of cover to be killed in 2 seconds by enemy fire.

[Retsugi]

Essentially it seems there are Two sides in the ME2 community.

Those who love the changes and can't stand the old System.
Those who much rather the old system over the new one.

I can see the views of both sides, I am both a BIG shooter fan and an RPG fan, the changes themselves aren't "Bad" in general, they don't make the game horrible, my point is they Do not Suit Mass Effect, any other shooter game sure, but not Mass effect.

Also with the cover thing, I never had an issue with getting stuck to places I didn't want to be, so that's why I don't really have any critism for it, it just worked so well for me.

Modifié par Retsugi, 01 mars 2010 - 10:31 .

[Terror_K]

Retsugi wrote...

Essentially it seems there are Two sides in the ME2 community.

Those who love the changes and can't stand the old System.
Those who much rather the old system over the new one.

I can see the views of both sides, I am both a BIG shooter fan and an RPG fan, the changes themselves aren't "Bad" in general, they don't make the game horrible, my point is they Do not Suit Mass Effect, any other shooter game sure, but not Mass effect.

Also with the cover thing, I never had an issue with getting stuck to places I didn't want to be, so that's why I don't really have any critism for it, it just worked so well for me.

I'm personally in a different boat and would rather see a mix of both systems in most cases. Neither system works fully, IMO, but if they took the best of both we'd have something really special, IMO.

ME2's main problem is that it's been too streamlined to the point of being shallow and dumbed down, while the original game suffered more from clumsy elements and broken items. ME1 quite often tried and failed at several aspects, while ME2 didn't try at all and threw things aside for the sake of simplicity. ME1 had a lot of rinse-and-repeat samey stuff, while ME2 had tacked-on elements and stuff that lacked polish.

Overall both have their problems, but so many solutions, in my mind, come from a blend of both. ME3 should be like ME2 with leanings back towards ME1.

[Jaymo147]

Nice epic necro....

[Retsugi]

Terror_K wrote...
I'm personally in a different boat and would rather see a mix of both systems in most cases. Neither system works fully, IMO, but if they took the best of both we'd have something really special, IMO.

ME2's main problem is that it's been too streamlined to the point of being shallow and dumbed down, while the original game suffered more from clumsy elements and broken items. ME1 quite often tried and failed at several aspects, while ME2 didn't try at all and threw things aside for the sake of simplicity. ME1 had a lot of rinse-and-repeat samey stuff, while ME2 had tacked-on elements and stuff that lacked polish.

Overall both have their problems, but so many solutions, in my mind, come from a blend of both. ME3 should be like ME2 with leanings back towards ME1.

This I can agree with, a blend would be nice indeed.