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[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I was happy when Ben died.

D:

I wanted to throw him off the train

[Ryzaki]

AresKeith wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I was happy when Ben died.

D:

I wanted to throw him off the train

LOL

So did I.

It's just the whole eaten alive by walkers that makes me =/ I wouldn't have even let the dog go out like that.

Mr.House wrote...

Ben lived, to see his worst fear come true. *evil laugh*

Great now I'm laughing.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 12:22 .

[Mr.House]

Ryzaki wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
I was happy when Ben died.

D:

I wanted to throw him off the train

LOL

So did I.

It's just the whole eaten alive by walkers that makes me =/ I wouldn't have even let the dog go out like that.

After everything Ben did, I had no care for him anymore, I simply just wnated him gone from the group, and I outright told Clem the truth.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...
After everything Ben did, I had no care for him anymore, I simply just wnated him gone from the group, and I outright told Clem the truth.

Fair enough.

Though you didn't even soften the blow for Clem?

I hope you're at least playing sassy Clem in season 2.

[AresKeith]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
After everything Ben did, I had no care for him anymore, I simply just wnated him gone from the group, and I outright told Clem the truth.

Fair enough.

Though you didn't even soften the blow for Clem?

I hope you're at least playing sassy Clem in season 2.

I didn't tell Clem

Damn that moral compass lol

[Mr.House]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...
After everything Ben did, I had no care for him anymore, I simply just wnated him gone from the group, and I outright told Clem the truth.

Fair enough.

Though you didn't even soften the blow for Clem?

I hope you're at least playing sassy Clem in season 2.

:innocent:

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...
:innocent:

XD

Sassy Clem is the best Clem.

AresKeith wrote...
I didn't tell Clem

Damn that moral compass lol

Pfft I didn't even on **** Lee. Just because he's a jerk doesn't mean he wants her to be one (of course she ends up being Sassy Clem anyway. Poor Lee).

[Mr.House]

"whose baby is it?"

[Ryzaki]

Yeeesss.

That b**** had it coming.

[Mr.House]

She's Larry 2.0. but without his awesome voice.Irony, Lee and Larry hated eachother and Clem and this woman who is liek Larry hate eachother. Lee so rubbed off on her.

Modifié par Mr.House, 25 décembre 2013 - 01:08 .

[Ryzaki]

XD yep. It's full circle! MUWAHAHAHA ***hole Lee's legacy lives!

Hope she gets to smash that lady's face in with a salt piece (or whatever it's called). (Oh fine that's maybe a bit much still )

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 01:09 .

[Mr.House]

If oyu look at the ep3 screen, her and Clem are in a meat locker. OH BOY

[AtreiyaN7]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Milan92 wrote...
I have to agree with this. I thought the whole hurr I am a dog! into BAAAAAH I'M A WEREWOLF!!! change was really strange for a dog. 

It's actually not strange at all given the circumstances. Dogs can very often act calm one minute and aggressive the next (with regards to other dogs or people) what people don't often realize is that there are things that set this off, hunger is one thing, Clemantine being effectively a stranger is another. If he had met her previously on a number of occasions he'd be less disposed to agression but she is effectively someone who has litterally just entered his territory and while, even if it was for an instant,  trying to prevent him from getting food. What you learn when training dogs is that they very much live in the moment and getting them to behave is a matter of repetition so they actually remember who to listen to and how to behave.

I can also give you one real life example of something similar happening. I have this friend, she own a big masstive mix named Otis. Otis is a lovable lumax who's generally on good terms with everyone he meets and just wants them to pet him, however one of her accaintances one thought it be a good idea to try and mess with Otis and tried to grab a bone from Otis's mouth while Otis was eating. Otis knew this guy but the guy still ended up getting bit when he tried to take the bone away because Otis doesn't recognize him the alpha of his pack.

I think more people should watch The Dog Whisperer. It is, in fact, not out of character for some dogs to be Jekyll and Hyde-like - nice one minute, vicious the next. A dog can behave perfectly normally under most conditions, but certain things can trigger them into turning violent; it's usually the result of poor training or inconsistent/incorrect behavior by the owner, couple with poor socialization in some cases.

You have no idea how many times I've seen dogs on the show reacting very badly when a person goes near their food bowl. A normal, well-socialized animal will certainly not behave the way Sam does in S2 Episode 1 - but it's entirely possible and realistic for the dog attack like that to take place. And in the game world, I think you also have to factor in the extremely dangerous environment, the dog dealing with constantly with hazards (zombies and bad people), along with possible starvation.

Again, I seriously recommend looking up clips of The Dog Whisperer if you don't believe this kind of thing can happen - because it definitely does happen.

[Ryzaki]

simfamSP wrote...

Pain, yes, I know. But it wasn't really in the position to bite you as much as Jesus was in a position to slap any guy who mocked him by a ladder xD

Don't care not putting Clem in the risk for something that'll die anyway that tried to kill her. Full stop. I don't see what's so hard to comprehend about that. And actually she's plenty close to it for it to turn and bite her if it was so inclined.

But your reasoning implies that dogs share the same morals as us. A dog, when pressured, are instinctful, I could no more blame him for what he did than my dad who accidentally slapped my face when I scared the living crap out of him while he was asleep (it was worth it though xD)

No actually it doesn't. My reasoning implies that I don't care. Thus my analogy to Christa shooting that girl who had disarmed herself. The dog was a threat. Even after it's dead it's bite continues to put Clem in danger because if that bite had gotten infected (which it most likely would've had she not run into that group and stole their supplies) she'd died.

Thus why I don't care about that dog ending up on the spikes after it tried to kill Clem. Anything that attacks has to be prepared to be attacked back. (and honestly if my cat DID scratch me after moving her food I'd thrown freezing water on her ass). Am I the only one here who never got growled at unless I was petting them too hard? (or too often in the case of my cat).

Leaving Sam there to die is cruel, it can't help itself like a human can, nor can it really get any help. He didn't break any universal rules about surviving, he did what its instincts told him to do. It's not like he can rationalise situations like

"I can share this food with the human equally."

That's why I find it hard to blame it. No way in hell could Sam have thought "f*ck it, I'm gonna be a right c*nt now."

Cruel? Yes. But again Clem has no obligation whatsoever to end Sam's misery. As for universal rules about survival did I say it hadn't? And again no matter how miniscule the chance why should I put Clem's life in danger for a mutt that attacked her?

As for cruel Walking Dead world is cruel. That's what happens in a crappy zombie horde filled world.

Honestly if some dog tried to rip my throat out yeah I'd leave it there. Cruel? Yep. But I'm not crying a river over something that tried to kill me. And yeah I'd take that personally. Nope it's not human, yes it was acting on instinct and yes I really don't give a damn.

Dude, calm down. I'm not here to fight, but to discuss. I think I've gone beyond that stage where everyone in the BSN is automatically my enemy xD

'twas a funny stage though heheh :-)

*shrugs* I'd appreciate it if you'd stop assuming I don't understand that the dog's behavior was realistic then. It's incredibly patronizing.

There could have been better ways to kill the dog, though. A quick "blam" to the brain (a la Walker style) would have been better.

If you can do it with a walker, you can do it with a dog, I suppose :-)

Shooting it could draw walker attention (then again so can it's continued whimpering though one could argue that at least could draw the walkers towards it and away from Clem)

He probably did if the blood-loss didn't kill him first.

? Do walkers eat animals? I probably wasn't paying attention but I don't recall that.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 02:57 .

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

If oyu look at the ep3 screen, her and Clem are in a meat locker. OH BOY

Oh crap I didn't notice that.

Though knowing my luck it'll be Christa that ends up needing the salt lick.

[Mr.House]

I wonder if we'll see any other names from the comic books in future episodes.

[Ryzaki]

I'm not sure about this but there was something about Lily being changed into an original character than the one from the comic? Ugh. I don't recall completely...

[LPPrince]

I find it really interesting that someone would think leaving the suffering dog to die after its attack over food is fine, but allowing Ben to fall to his death, a teen who lied, abandoned someone to die, was responsible for the deaths of several people, and wanted to die, is too much.

Thats fascinating.

[Ryzaki]

LPPrince wrote...

I find it really interesting that someone would think leaving the suffering dog to die after its attack over food is fine, but allowing Ben to fall to his death, a teen who lied, abandoned someone to die, was responsible for the deaths of several people, and wanted to die, is too much.

Thats fascinating.

Too much for others nah for me though? Yeah. Does help that I found Ben sympathetic (even if he was a whiny little sneak) didn't know the dog long enough to give a damn about it. Also Lee abandoned several people to their death ( often you have to choose between saving one person or another), was responsible for the deaths of several people (Hi Stranger's wife and children (yeah unintentional I know but driving that train towards that town lead to that horde of walkers following) and lied (Well you can choose not to lie but honestly how many people never lied in WD) so... I felt there was some possibility for redemption.

Lee's not exactly a pure innocent flower either.
Though it's really interesting for you to see how someone would sympathize more with a human than a dog? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 03:25 .

[Ryzaki]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Yeah, she was originally intended to be the same Lilly who kills Lori and the Governor, but it was later retconned and now she's a pure Telltale creation.

Oooh good so they don't have to worry about screwing over canon by continuing her story. (or being restricted by it via her past).

[Mr.House]

Yup, different Lilly.. The only characters from the game that are also in the comic is Hershel and Glenn and by this point in the story, the Governor arc is finished and the Neagan arc has started or will be starting soon.