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[LPPrince]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though it's really interesting for you to see how someone would sympathize more with a human than a dog? 

Mhm. People are different, and their impressions/feelings/opinions can differ wildly.

One person's perspective can be that because the dog's a dog, instant sympathy is required. Others would feel nothing.

Putting positive experiences as a priority, someone may feel there wasn't enough time to enjoy the dog's company to care about it, while they had plenty of time to become fond of Ben.

Thinking negative, there wasn't a lot of time with the dog to feel ill will for it, while Ben had plenty of time to get on someone's bad side.

Then there's the fact one's a human, the other a dog. Different connections to a person's psychology.

So its fascinating to hear/see someone's opinion and how it compares to someone else's.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Yup, different Lilly.. The only characters from the game that are also in the comic is Hershel and Glenn and by this point in the story, the Governor arc is finished and the Neagan arc has started or will be starting soon.

I need to start reading the comics.  Ugh reminding me of the farm just reminded me of how much of a douche Kenny was if you didn't stick to his ass like glue for every decision.

[Mr.House]

Hershel was beast in the battle with the Governor. Man, would love Telltale to create a conflict like the Governor.

[Ryzaki]

LPPrince wrote...
Mhm. People are different, and their impressions/feelings/opinions can differ wildly.

One person's perspective can be that because the dog's a dog, instant sympathy is required. Others would feel nothing.

Putting positive experiences as a priority, someone may feel there wasn't enough time to enjoy the dog's company to care about it, while they had plenty of time to become fond of Ben.

Thinking negative, there wasn't a lot of time with the dog to feel ill will for it, while Ben had plenty of time to get on someone's bad side.

Then there's the fact one's a human, the other a dog. Different connections to a person's psychology.

So its fascinating to hear/see someone's opinion and how it compares to someone else's.

Fair enough XD 

I tried to clarify why I felt that way (Ben could still be redeemed, Lee wasn't perfect either and indeed I played my Lee as someone looking for redemption which is why he didn't just leave Clem and go his own way). Plus Ben was young and stupid (Like me ) so I could understand why he made the ****ty decisions he made. (Though there's no mistake they were crappy and very stupid decisions and the bite in the ass was well deserved). It's just being eaten alive by walkers...felt harsh to me (though I completely understand why others don't give a damn or felt that it was karmic). Thankfully we both get options of a sort.

True on the negative bit though. That said it trying to tear Clem's throat gives it plenty of time to get on my badside. Ben was a coward, the dog was antagonistic. I can forgive the former more.

That and Ben's death is better when Kenny gives the final shot. More feelz.

Edit: And now that I think about it. Ben's death gives Kenny closure and development I prefer while Clem becoming colder and more wary and leaving the dog by saying "I'm sorry" while giving it a wide berth as it bleeds out gives her development I prefer.

I like cold, snarky, hard to trust Clem stuck in a crapsack world and having to manipulate, lie, abandon and use to survive. (That said ditching Pete is something I can't do because A. Nick doesn't die ANYWAY and B. It's easier to use people who trust you). Ditching Pete wouldn't have been a good look and Nick isn't someone she believes she can easily manipulate.  Just when she feels safe and trusted something happens to throw her off til eventually she's just jaded. The dog turning on her and Omid's deaths were only the beginning. Down the spiral we go.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 04:02 .

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Hershel was beast in the battle with the Governor. Man, would love Telltale to create a conflict like the Governor.

XD

I wish there was some way to save Hershel's son  (Why on earth would he let Duck's ****** play on the Tractor anyway).

Cthulhu42 wrote...
@Ryzaki: Yes, they do eat animals if they get the chance.

LOL I didn't realize this. Welp in that case I might shoot it (depends on if I wanna waste the bullet) but I'm still not having Clem go into melee range to slit it's throat.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 03:41 .

[Mr.House]

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Hershel was beast in the battle with the Governor. Man, would love Telltale to create a conflict like the Governor.

XD

I wish there was some way to save Hershel's son  (Why on earth would he let Duck's ****** play on the Tractor anyway).

Eh Shawn had to die no matter what, what the game shows is how he died. IIRC we don't see how in the comic as Shawn is already a lurker.

[Ryzaki]

Mr.House wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Hershel was beast in the battle with the Governor. Man, would love Telltale to create a conflict like the Governor.

XD

I wish there was some way to save Hershel's son  (Why on earth would he let Duck's ****** play on the Tractor anyway).

Eh Shawn had to die no matter what, what the game shows is how he died. IIRC we don't see how in the comic as Shawn is already a lurker.

 made me feel so bad when he went "Dad, Lee tried to help." 

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Yup,
different Lilly.. The only characters from the game that are also in the
comic is Hershel and Glenn and by this point in the story, the Governor
arc is finished and the Neagan arc has started or will be starting
soon.

Judging from the episode 5 screen, Season 2 will end
in winter, which puts it around Chapters 14-15 of the comic. So yeah,
shortly before the Negan arc.

Is it a good arc?

(Though if Clem dies in Season 2 I'm done with this series. NO to Clementine death).

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 décembre 2013 - 03:43 .

[Mr.House]

Negan arc starts with a very brutal death that for me is the saddest death in the series because of who dies and how he has been part of the series since pretty much the start.

[HiddenInWar]

Mr.House wrote...

Hershel was beast in the battle with the Governor. Man, would love Telltale to create a conflict like the Governor.

Apparently "Carver" is S2's governor by what the new group is saying.

[LPPrince]

Five bucks says Carver was the dog and Sam was just his alias

[GreyLycanTrope]

LPPrince wrote...

Five bucks says Carver was the dog and Sam was just his alias

[Mr.House]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Hershel was beast in the battle with the Governor. Man, would love Telltale to create a conflict like the Governor.

Apparently "Carver" is S2's governor by what the new group is saying.

IF true, then I like that. Governor was one of my fav characters and I loved the conflict between him and his group with Ricks.

[Han Shot First]

Carver is Kenny's last name. He took a dark turn after losing Duck/Katjaa/his boat/ his boy Lee.

[spirosz]

simfamSP wrote...

Offtopic

I GOT THE COMICS! ALL TWO VOUMES. THEY'RE F*CKING HUGE

YESSSS!!!!!!

Nice.  I actually picked up The Wolf Among Us comics, the deluxe volumes.  So it's a few in each book.  Since the game is a prequel - havne't touched them yet though, waiting till the game finishes.  

[HiddenInWar]

Han Shot First wrote...

Carver is Kenny's last name. He took a dark turn after losing Duck/Katjaa/his boat/ his boy Lee.

Ohhh, kenny having a rival group with the cabin survivors and being a villain. I kind of like that.

[Mr.House]

Han Shot First wrote...

Carver is Kenny's last name. He took a dark turn after losing Duck/Katjaa/his boat/ his boy Lee.

We already seen Carver, they look nothing alike.

[Milan92]

Mr.House wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Carver is Kenny's last name. He took a dark turn after losing Duck/Katjaa/his boat/ his boy Lee.

We already seen Carver, they look nothing alike.

Thats just Kenny using OctoCamo 

[J4N3_M3]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Milan92 wrote...
I have to agree with this. I thought the whole hurr I am a dog! into BAAAAAH I'M A WEREWOLF!!! change was really strange for a dog. 

It's actually not strange at all given the circumstances. Dogs can very often act calm one minute and aggressive the next (with regards to other dogs or people) what people don't often realize is that there are things that set this off, hunger is one thing, Clemantine being effectively a stranger is another. If he had met her previously on a number of occasions he'd be less disposed to agression but she is effectively someone who has litterally just entered his territory and while, even if it was for an instant,  trying to prevent him from getting food. What you learn when training dogs is that they very much live in the moment and getting them to behave is a matter of repetition so they actually remember who to listen to and how to behave.

I can also give you one real life example of something similar happening. I have this friend, she own a big masstive mix named Otis. Otis is a lovable lumax who's generally on good terms with everyone he meets and just wants them to pet him, however one of her accaintances one thought it be a good idea to try and mess with Otis and tried to grab a bone from Otis's mouth while Otis was eating. Otis knew this guy but the guy still ended up getting bit when he tried to take the bone away because Otis doesn't recognize him the alpha of his pack.

I think more people should watch The Dog Whisperer. It is, in fact, not out of character for some dogs to be Jekyll and Hyde-like - nice one minute, vicious the next. A dog can behave perfectly normally under most conditions, but certain things can trigger them into turning violent; it's usually the result of poor training or inconsistent/incorrect behavior by the owner, couple with poor socialization in some cases.

You have no idea how many times I've seen dogs on the show reacting very badly when a person goes near their food bowl. A normal, well-socialized animal will certainly not behave the way Sam does in S2 Episode 1 - but it's entirely possible and realistic for the dog attack like that to take place. And in the game world, I think you also have to factor in the extremely dangerous environment, the dog dealing with constantly with hazards (zombies and bad people), along with possible starvation.

Again, I seriously recommend looking up clips of The Dog Whisperer if you don't believe this kind of thing can happen - because it definitely does happen.

this whole "alpha dog" crap for humans and dogs, I kind of think that's pretty silly. Dogs know pretty well that human aren't dogs. They will never accept a human as a "alpha dog". They do however understand that humans have the food. How dogs react to others taking away their food always depends on the character of the individual dog. There are dogs who won't let this happen easily, and fight over the food, others will try to avoid conflict and just let it happen. It's not a question of "does this dog accept me as the alpha dog" when they let you take away their food. It's a question of character. Also, why would anyone compete with a dog over food in the normal world? If I give a dog a bone, I don't just go and take it away again. That's pretty stupid and doesn't happen among wolves or stray dogs. And it's not a question of "well-socialized" either. "A well-socialized dog" means the dog is able to behave like a normal dog around other dogs, e.g. the dog understands the body language of other dogs, the dog knows how to communicate in this language, the dog knows how to make first contact with other dogs in a polite way, the dog knows how to calm other dogs if the dog notices insecure, scared or maybe even aggressive behaviour, and so on. It has nothing to do with dogs allowing you near their food bowls. If you watch a dog play ball and another dog comes along, chances are good the first dog will defend their ball. Chances are also good that the other dog knows not to compete over the ball with the first dog. People tend to forget that we are enforcing our way of life on dogs. We restrict their freedom by walking them on leashes, we expect them to understand what we are saying. The problem I see with shows like Cesar Milan's Dog Whisperer is that people see something on TV and figure, oh I'm gonna do that with my dog. Then when it doesn't work with their dog, they are like "oh this guy is crap, I'm not trying this anymore." People need to understand and get to know their dog first before they can just apply whatever training method they see because not every dog reacts the same way to the same treatment. If you know a good dog trainer you will see the difference. They treat each dog as individual. They see if your dog is a dominant one constantly challenging you or if your dog is very sensitive or insecure or scared easily or hyper etc. And depending on the character they train each dog differently. They try to make the hyper dogs calmer, try to teach the dominant dog that letting you handle things can be great, they try to make insecure dogs more confident, try to teach scared dogs that being with you means safety and allows them to relax in situations that scare them, etc. There is not one method to train all dogs, that simply doesn't work. Yet people watch Cesar Milan, apply his method to their own dogs and suddenly you have people walking up and down the street with their dogs making that stupid hissing noise. 

I'm pretty sure that Cesar Milan is a great guy, and I think he is a good trainer and understands dogs, yet there is only so much they can show on tv , there is only so much he can explain in the 45 minutes he's got there. So people should be rather careful what they take from it and do with their own dogs. 

And all dogs can go from nice and calm to crazy depending on whatever reason triggers them. So the reaction of the dog on the game was totally normal IMHO. I just wish I could have just chased him off instead of being forced to either kill him or leave him behind to die a slow death. 

[J4N3_M3]

simfamSP wrote...

Btw, I'm already at the prison, is it me, or do things go waaaay faster in the comics? Must be me, if it wasn't for "family time" in Christmas I'd be already done with Volume One xD

I got myself both compendiums for Christmas, and I'm almost done with the first one. Things do go a lot faster, I agree but things are a lot different in the comic books than the tv show. 

[J4N3_M3]

simfamSP wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

simfamSP wrote...

Btw, I'm already at the prison, is it me, or do things go waaaay faster in the comics? Must be me, if it wasn't for "family time" in Christmas I'd be already done with Volume One xD

I got myself both compendiums for Christmas, and I'm almost done with the first one. Things do go a lot faster, I agree but things are a lot different in the comic books than the tv show. 

A lot different. I don't know how Comic Purists would even put up with the show. If Tolkien purists every even think about complaining about the LOTR adaptations, I'll just point them to TWD xD

Btw, Michone, what you did to the Guv'ner...

Duuuuuuuude

I know right? Not sure what to think of comic book Michonne yet. The whole thing with Tyrese kind of bummed me out. I dislike Carol in the comic books. She's so dependent it's not funny anymore. Or well, she was. xD 

The show handled her character a lot better though I didn't like the whole Carol leaving thing. I haven't caught up on the latest episodes yet if there are any. Will probably this weekend. I do like the comic books though. And the governor got what he had coming. Served him right.