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[Reznore57]

Same here. The final speech he gave to me was extremely powerful. For people who got a different ending, I do think you should watch it on youtube. It's very well done.

 

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yeah.I was crying , when he started to beg for people to just let the baby and Clem in.

I know it was the right thing to do , well for the baby (because he was going to die out there for sure...)but it was hard leaving Kenny behind like this.

In the end if you go along with him , Kenny proves he's a great guy , yeah he's damaged .He knows it.He doesn't lie about it.

But he's ok with sacrificing himself for the kids.

[CrazyRah]

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I don't defend what Jane did by any means - I just think Kenny was a ticking time bomb even before and I'd rather Clem be with Jane, despite her trickery with Kenny, than be alone. She still cares about Clementine, she's pretty much the sole reason she came back.

 

I'd just rather Clem be with someone with an at least somewhat level head. Even Kenny admits he doesn't trust himself to look after her anymore. 

 

But that's just, like, my opinion man. 

 

 

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Pretty much how i see it aswell. Will never say that what Jane did is a cool thing to do. I just see Jane as the less dangerous bet for Clem.

[Mr.House]

Rah just luuuuves Jane.

[RobRam10]

Team Kenny now and forever!

[Ryzaki]

um...

 

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wait i dont understand. for those defending jane, why exactly? She got kenny killed just to prove a point to clementine. OF COURSE kenny is going to be raging angry after he thought she got AJ killed.

 

 

This I just

 

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I told her to **** herself after that. Badass clem walking into horde ending we go.

 

But I played my Clem as an jerk :3

 

Also **** Mike and Bonnie man. I thought they were cool and those idiots gave ARVO a gun? WHAT. I'm surprised Kenny didn't kill em.

 

Though I must admit Kenny redeems himself in the Wellington ending.

[2Pac]

Well i 

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 Sided with Kenny Rather than jane i Never liked her and after finding out the stunt she pulled i was glad she was gone.  And Left with kenny rather than stay at wellington There was no way in hell Id leave Kenny behind. In the end i think kenny redeemed himself and i was happy to leave wellington with him.  Kenny is also family you dont leave family behind. F*ck wellington

     I Got all emotional when kenny and clem were crying. T-T  Also is it safe to say christa is dead?                           

[HiddenInWar]

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i honestly see christa dlc in the future. Gavin Hammond said we'll find out what happened to her and the baby "soon" on his ask.fm. This could be the dlc that bridges S2 and S3

 

[Mr.House]

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The Wellington ending is imo the perfect end to Kennys arc. The speech he gives and the selfless choice he makes just made me very emotional. It's no secret I am a big Kenny fan and I've always supported him, even when he was breaking, but in the end. I feel he at last found peace by having Clem and Alvie go and stay safe in Wellington. This scene made me cry just as much as the scene with Lee in ep5. Kenny was a good man, an ******* sometimes, but in the end in my game he showed how much he truly did love Clem, how he knew he was not the best person and aware of his faults.

[Battlebloodmage]

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Meta or no meta, I just don't see any reason to save Jane over Kenny. She deceives Clem, wasn't there when she needed her and intentionally provoke Kenny. Why would anyone save her? It seems like if you side with Jane, it would end badly either ways since that family is suspicious as hell. The family may rob and kill both Jane and Clem in either endings.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Finished the episode need some time to type up all my thoughts but it was a really great conclusion.

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Shot Kenny, obviously

[Mr.House]

Finished the episode need some time to type up all my thoughts but it was a really great conclusion.

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Shot Kenny, obviously

Boo hiss

[GreyLycanTrope]

Like you didn't see that one coming

[bFootball]

Well, that was an emotional experience.

 

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Shot Kenny, and instantly regretted it. Once I saw AJ was alive, I told Jane to F*** off. I'll miss the guy.
I seriously wanted to kill Mike, Bonnie and Arvo right there. If there had been the option to shoot I would've.
Can't wait to see how they start season 3. So many variables...

[Jaison1986]

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I constantly tried to convince everyone to allow Kenny to execute Arvo. Goddman wimps! I will totally not miss Luke, good riddance that coward. I never trusted Bonnie so I'm not surprised she is an traitor, but **** Mike, I actually thought he was nice, how wrong I was. Why he tries so hard to be Arvo friend anyway? Did he forgot that brat was the reason he got shot and nearly died? Unbelievable. Allowed Kenny to kill Jane. I actually think she had it coming.  And stayed with Kenny. I won't joke, I cried a little. That ending broke my heart

 

Great episode overal.

[Fishy]

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I shot Kenny and forgave Jane. First. Jane could not know that Kenny would try to kill her. I also knew when Jane told Clementine'' Trust me on this''. I knew the baby was alive and she did it to see what Kenny was going to do and I was curious too .. and what did he try to do ? Kill her.

That when I knew that Kenny had completetly lost it. He was dangerous. And my Clementine was tired of always trying to put some ****** sense into him. Also back at the place.. Kenny beat that guy so hard that he basically smashed his brain in. I am sorry . But I don't regret siding with Jane. She's level-headed. Kenny was not fit anymore for this world.

Actually Jane remind me a lot of Daryl while Kenny remind me a lot of Shane.

[Mr.House]

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I shot Kenny and forgave Jane. First. Jane could not know that Kenny would try to kill her. I also knew when Jane told Clementine'' Trust me on this''. I knew the baby was alive and she did it to see what Kenny was going to do and I was curious too .. and what did he try to do ? Kill her.

That when I knew that Kenny had completetly lost it. He was dangerous. And my Clementine was tired of always trying to put some ****** sense into him. Also back at the place.. Kenny beat that guy so hard that he basically smashed his brain in. I am sorry . But I don't regret siding with Jane. She's level-headed. Kenny was not fit anymore for this world.

Actually Jane remind me a lot of Daryl while Kenny remind me a lot of Shane.

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Please, Jane knew Kenny was going to try to kill her if he believed she killed the baby, which she did on purpose to trick him.  Also Arvo, you're protecting that pos? Kenny should have just blew his brains out right there instead of beating him up.

[Sifr]

I'm torn between the decision at the end.

 

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One the one hand, Kenny is a damaged individual and he's not good in a group, because he's constantly butting heads with others over who should lead. He's also got a massive problem with getting a far-fetched idea into his head and refusing to let it go, then getting angry when people point out that he's asking them to trek across most of the country to go somewhere, with no real backup plan in case it doesn't work.

 

In Season One it was "We get a Boat!"... okay, but where do you go then, Ken? You can't live on the ocean, you'll run out of food and water?

 

In Season Two it was "We go to Wellington, because Walkers can't handle the cold!"... okay, but what if Wellington doesn't exist? Or is overrun? And you're forgetting that the cold might freeze the Walkers, but it can also kill you far quicker and now you have a baby to worry about. Becca already died from a combination of blood loss and exposure!

 

Kenny's saving grace is that he's a nice guy deep down and he is fully aware of his flaws. He just doesn't react well to stress (which tends to be a regular thing in the Zombie Apocalypse) and makes poor decisions as a result.

 

Meanwhile;

 

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Jane is still a complete unknown. While she's kind to Clem and has a great deal in trust in her, she's flightly and has already left behind the group once before. She also admits to having left her sister to die when she became a liability in her eyes, which could easily happen to Clem.

 

While she's completely right when she points out the hard truths, that Sarah is useless and unable to survive in this new world, that the group will fall apart and that Kenny is a ticking timebomb, she never tries to make a difference and instead prefers to remain the lone wolf with one foot out the door.

 

I like Jane and she could be a good mentor to Clem, but she's cold and ruthless, concerned with survival at all costs. If she thinks Kenny is turning into Carver, she better take a long look in the mirror because she's not far off from turning into that herself.

 

Damn you, Telltale!

 

_{(Also... so many feels!)}

[LPPrince]

Holy *expletive* that episode. Just finished it.

 

Spoiler timez!

 

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Goodness me.

 

This last episode was AWESOME. I had a grin on my face through most of it just because I was enjoying it so much.

 

My Clementine was awesome this ep. She went through a LOT. Seeing the group go through so much and holding on, gaaah

 

Anyway, she kept it cool and was defending everyone, helping everybody out. BUT-

 

Turns out Arvo's a piece of *expletive*, Mike and Bonnie as well. They tried to make off with ALL of our stuff;didn't even think to wake up Clem, maybe offer a ride. Jesus Christ.

 

So, off we go, Team Clementine/Jane/Kenny(some team amirite). That breaks down fast. I didn't like how Jane was disrespecting Kenny so much, trying to provoke him. Especially going after his family like she did. What the hell?

 

My Clem pretty consistently leaned towards Kenny throughout this Season, given she sees him as family after the events of the first(speaking of which, oh God that dream of Lee and Clem after the Lilly/Carley incident).

 

So out we go, *expletive* goes down, and it appears Jane has let AJ die. If it was true;what the *expletive*. If she was lying;what the *expletive*. Got the impression we didn't have the whole story given Jane's little convo with Clem.

 

So Clem can't stop a provoked Kenny and Jane from going at it;someone's got to go.

 

Either Clem shoots Kenny(family) to save Jane(who Clem likes), or lets Kenny do something horrible to Jane.

 

Clem looked away. And Kenny ended Jane, right there.

 

Turns out AJ was alive, not only alive but safe;Jane wanted to provoke Kenny so she could make a point to Clementine, maybe even kill Kenny to get him out of the way.

 

So, Jane?

 

*EXPLETIVE* YOU.

 

Kenny and Clem make it to Wellington. No Christa from what it appears;bummer. But safety!

Except they're not taking new members. So Kenny makes the greatest plea ever made to get the kids(Clem and AJ) into Wellington, at his expense.

 

Wellington's up for it.

 

Clem isn't.

 

Clem made sure that Kenny knew they weren't splitting up again. That happened once, and they were reunited by chance;lets not screw that up again. Family is family, so lets make an attempt to survive. Together.

 

So off they went. Clementine, Kenny, AJ, and two bags of supplies provided by Wellington. Hopefully they make it out there for a few months and try Wellington again.

 

GODDAMN GREAT ENDING. Season 3 pls

[Milan92]

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I'm surprised by the amount of people that took the Kenny ending. 

[LPPrince]

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I'm surprised by the amount of people that took the Kenny ending. 

 

I'm not. I find it fitting that people would be split on the decision. What I find more surprising is the result of the decision made afterward.

 

By the way folks, the Telltale forums are hella entertaining right now regarding this, hahaha

[GreyLycanTrope]

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So I'm glad that the leave the baby behind or not option I was dreading ends up being largely inconsequential outside of serving as character development for Clem and basically done right out of the gate. I'm also glad Luke and Kenny both simmered down some from their earlier antics this time around, Luke in particular as I was expecting him to hold a grudge against Kenny for Rebecca not making it, it was refreshing to just see him let go right off the bat.

 

So Arvo still doesn't strike me as a particularly bad person, just someone who's angry and lost a lot. He was honest about the food at his place and about having a sister. Though he does seem to have something against Clem for shooting walkerfied Natasha, which I'm guessing is why he shot her when she was confronting him Bonnie and Mike by the car. He's also obviously not fond of Kenny and I can't say I blame him on that account. Tried to stick up for him and smooth things over as much as possible but he's clearly not having any of it. So while my Clem's not holding much of a grudge she'll be very likely to shoot first if she runs into him again, on account of him clearly having made up his mind already.

 

Luke seemed to have gotten his head on straight this episode and struck me as one of the people keeping the group together. The joking around the campfire with him and everyone else really did help set give the group some hope and was a nice reprieve from all the drama we've all been through. Tried to help him by puling him out of the ice and was pretty devastated when he ended up getting pulled down under by the walker. I feel his death was largely the catalyst for the events that followed and the group going to sh*t. It also went against my expectations to have the finial confrontation be between him and Kenny, making it Kenny and Jane was a nice mix up especially when I felt things would have gone the way of Molly and Jane just not showing up again.

 

I'm honestly disappointed in Bonnie and Mike as human beings. Yeah we lost Luke and Kenny's still loosing his sh*t periodically, but really trying to screw over Jane AJ and Clem along with him? Not cool, if they decided to head out on their own fine, but trying to stealing all of the groups supplies and transportation was below the belt. My Clem was never one to steal supplies, she did support mugging Arvo or taking the supplies from the station wagon, so she clearly didn't take a liking to this. So despite the various bonding sessions with Bonnie and Mike she opted to not try and go with them, didn't opt to hand over her gun either. Not sure how I'll react if I run into them again, they certainly lost a fair amount of trust points though. GreyLycanTrope will remember that.

 

Not that much to say about Jane surprisingly enough. Like I said I was surprised to see her back but glad she was. Really like the sisterly bond between her and Clem, and she was largely echoing my own thoughts on Kenny throughout the whole thing(the Carver comparison in particular), so the "test" she had set up at the end seemed like a bit of unnecessary convincing to a certain extent but then again as much as Clem was willing to see that Kenny was on the edge of despair she was still trying to bring him back. I guess this is what it took to finally make her let go of Kenny. Also even if Clem didn't figure it out the way she was talking initially made it pretty clear she didn't hurt AJ and was just trying to poke Kenny for a reaction. Granted I don't think the death match was exactly what she had in mind when she hatched her plan so boy did that end up blowing up in her face.

 

This season was very much Kenny's character arc as much as it was Clem's. What we see throughout is a man struggling very hard against the darker aspects of his own nature but ultimately failing to overcome it. Clem tried her hardest to bring him back from the brink of his despair. It was sometimes a little hilarious how reversed the child and adult roles were at time. Like changing his bandage was very much Clem just telling him she was going to, not asking, telling very pointedly in a very "no arguments from you mister" fashion. You can also see Kenny want to be better when Clem admonishes him for beating on Arvo, than he is when he promised an incident like Arvo wouldn't happen again, only for him to break that promise when he was with Jane. Kenny's character arc went basically in the direction I was hoping for, to the point where even after you shoot him he doesn't really blame you for it, and Clem's chance to comfort him in his last moments is touching. On a personally level I never really liked Kenny that much, but his character arc is among the best written in the series I think, and in this case if he goes out it's on a strong note.

 

Unexpected Lee moment! Oh man, did it feel great to just have that talk, reflecting on leaving Lily behind felt like it reinforced Clem's ultimate decision to let go of what attachment she had for Kenny. At the same time her wish to not hurt anyone I felt helped reinforce her idealistic stance, and god damn was it good just to have a chance for Clem and Lee to talk just one more time.

 

So my Clem has been through the wringer these last few hours, but she's ultimately decided not to follow Carver and Kenny down the path of despair and harsh pragmatism. She'll try and keep hope alive as much as possible, but has also come to realize that sometimes as much as you might not want to harm others there are times when you have to be able to let go, you just can't ever get used to it.

 

So choice made:

-Rescued AJ during the fire fight

-Tried to get Luke to help but he just ended up getting hit in the leg

-Gave Luke and Kenny a bit of a pep-talk, helped Kenny with his bandage

-Told Jane I was glad she came back, teased her about "making it" with Luke

-Didn't drink

-Accepted Kenny's apology

-Got everyone around the campfire, the moment was nice while it lasted

-Was nice to Arvo

-Went on the ice to help pull Luke out

-Got accidentally smacked by Kenny when I tried to pull him off Arvo

-Bonded with Jane before helping Kenny with the Truck

-Talked to Bonnie, didn't smoke

-Got Jane to hold the kid, she was right he puked.

-Sided with Kenny about heading to Wellington, voted for letting Arvo decide if he wanted to come with us

-Said Lee would try and keep the group together

-Tried to talk Bonnie and Mike from taking our stuff

-Tried to keep Kenny and Jane from fighting

-Shot Kenny, comforted him while he was dying, forgave Jane

-Said the place was mine and let the family in, gonna try to build a better safe heaven than Carver did. With blackjack and hookers.

 

All in all it was a great episode since we finally got a chance to stop running and largely focus on the group dynamic. Character wise I felt Jane Clem and Kenny all had a great wrap up. The unexpected moment with Lee was probably my favorite moment, hit me in the feels the most, though I didn't end up crying this time around oddly enough.

 

My one worry is that with Jane and Kenny both being able to die this time around even if either of them does make it to the end there's a good chance we'll end up with them being dead at the start of next season largely to carry on TellTales lame tradition of killing of everyone who could potentially die eventually anyways. Still looking forward to what they have set up for next time.

[Mr.House]

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I'm surprised by the amount of people that took the Kenny ending. 

Why?

[Milan92]

 

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So I'm glad that the leave the baby behind or not option I was dreading ends up being largely inconsequential outside of serving as character development for Clem and basically done right out of the gate. I'm also glad Luke and Kenny both simmered down some from their earlier antics this time around, Luke in particular as I was expecting him to hold a grudge against Kenny for Rebecca not making it, it was refreshing to just see him let go right off the bat.

 

So Arvo still doesn't strike me as a particularly bad person, just someone who's angry and lost a lot. He was honest about the food at his place and about having a sister. Though he does seem to have something against Clem for shooting walkerfied Natasha, which I'm guessing is why he shot her when she was confronting him Bonnie and Mike by the car. He's also obviously not fond of Kenny and I can't say I blame him on that account. Tried to stick up for him and smooth things over as much as possible but he's clearly not having any of it. So while my Clem's not holding much of a grudge she'll be very likely to shoot first if she runs into him again, on account of him clearly having made up his mind already.

 

Luke seemed to have gotten his head on straight this episode and struck me as one of the people keeping the group together. The joking around the campfire with him and everyone else really did help set give the group some hope and was a nice reprieve from all the drama we've all been through. Tried to help him by puling him out of the ice and was pretty devastated when he ended up getting pulled down under by the walker. I feel his death was largely the catalyst for the events that followed and the group going to sh*t. It also went against my expectations to have the finial confrontation be between him and Kenny, making it Kenny and Jane was a nice mix up especially when I felt things would have gone the way of Molly and Jane just not showing up again.

 

I'm honestly disappointed in Bonnie and Mike as human beings. Yeah we lost Luke and Kenny's still loosing his sh*t periodically, but really trying to screw over Jane AJ and Clem along with him? Not cool, if they decided to head out on their own fine, but trying to stealing all of the groups supplies and transportation was below the belt. My Clem was never one to steal supplies, she did support mugging Arvo or taking the supplies from the station wagon, so she clearly didn't take a liking to this. So despite the various bonding sessions with Bonnie and Mike she opted to not try and go with them, didn't opt to hand over her gun either. Not sure how I'll react if I run into them again, they certainly lost a fair amount of trust points though. GreyLycanTrope will remember that.

 

Not that much to say about Jane surprisingly enough. Like I said I was surprised to see her back but glad she was. Really like the sisterly bond between her and Clem, and she was largely echoing my own thoughts on Kenny throughout the whole thing(the Carver comparison in particular), so the "test" she had set up at the end seemed like a bit of unnecessary convincing to a certain extent but then again as much as Clem was willing to see that Kenny was on the edge of despair she was still trying to bring him back. I guess this is what it took to finally make her let go of Kenny. Also even if Clem didn't figure it out the way she was talking initially made it pretty clear she didn't hurt AJ and was just trying to poke Kenny for a reaction. Granted I don't think the death match was exactly what she had in mind when she hatched her plan so boy did that end up blowing up in her face.

 

This season was very much Kenny's character arc as much as it was Clem's. What we see throughout is a man struggling very hard against the darker aspects of his own nature but ultimately failing to overcome it. Clem tried her hardest to bring him back from the brink of his despair. It was sometimes a little hilarious how reversed the child and adult roles were at time. Like changing his bandage was very much Clem just telling him she was going to, not asking, telling very pointedly in a very "no arguments from you mister" fashion. You can also see Kenny want to be better when Clem admonishes him for beating on Arvo, than he is when he promised an incident like Arvo wouldn't happen again, only for him to break that promise when he was with Jane. Kenny's character arc went basically in the direction I was hoping for, to the point where even after you shoot him he doesn't really blame you for it, and Clem's chance to comfort him in his last moments is touching. On a personally level I never really liked Kenny that much, but his character arc is among the best written in the series I think, and in this case if he goes out it's on a strong note.

 

Unexpected Lee moment! Oh man, did it feel great to just have that talk, reflecting on leaving Lily behind felt like it reinforced Clem's ultimate decision to let go of what attachment she had for Kenny. At the same time her wish to not hurt anyone I felt helped reinforce her idealistic stance, and god damn was it good just to have a chance for Clem and Lee to talk just one more time.

 

So my Clem has been through the wringer these last few hours, but she's ultimately decided not to follow Carver and Kenny down the path of despair and harsh pragmatism. She'll try and keep hope alive as much as possible, but has also come to realize that sometimes as much as you might not want to harm others there are times when you have to be able to let go, you just can't ever get used to it.

 

So choice made:

-Rescued AJ during the fire fight

-Tried to get Luke to help but he just ended up getting hit in the leg

-Gave Luke and Kenny a bit of a pep-talk, helped Kenny with his bandage

-Told Jane I was glad she came back, teased her about "making it" with Luke

-Didn't drink

-Accepted Kenny's apology

-Got everyone around the campfire, the moment was nice while it lasted

-Was nice to Arvo

-Went on the ice to help pull Luke out

-Got accidentally smacked by Kenny when I tried to pull him off Arvo

-Bonded with Jane before helping Kenny with the Truck

-Talked to Bonnie, didn't smoke

-Got Jane to hold the kid, she was right he puked.

-Sided with Kenny about heading to Wellington, voted for letting Arvo decide if he wanted to come with us

-Said Lee would try and keep the group together

-Tried to talk Bonnie and Mike from taking our stuff

-Tried to keep Kenny and Jane from fighting

-Shot Kenny, comforted him while he was dying, forgave Jane

-Said the place was mine and let the family in, gonna try to build a better safe heaven than Carver did. With blackjack and hookers.

 

All in all it was a great episode since we finally got a chance to stop running and largely focus on the group dynamic. Character wise I felt Jane Clem and Kenny all had a great wrap up. The unexpected moment with Lee was probably my favorite moment, hit me in the feels the most, though I didn't end up crying this time around oddly enough.

 

My one worry is that with Jane and Kenny both being able to die this time around even if either of them does make it to the end there's a good chance we'll end up with them being dead at the start of next season largely to carry on TellTales lame tradition of killing of everyone who could potentially die eventually anyways. Still looking forward to what they have set up for next time.

 

 

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Liked for hookers.

[Milan92]

Why?

 

Because its imo not a very rational decision.