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Kenny's ending was really sad in a way I can't really explain. It was so tragic, it really fleshes out how Kenny has a good heart.

I don't even know which one you mean but it doesn't matter because they're both such tearjerkers. It was really well handled.

 

I like Kenny, but got fed up with him challenging every single decision made by anyone not him. To me he wasn't an ideal choice for leading a group. Making the decisions all the time for everyone may not win you friends, and may be sure as hell be the best course of action in certain instances, but a good leader knows when to take advice and listen to others. I'm not saying Jane fits the role either though.

Yeah as time went on I was more and more ready to have Clementine leave him. If Jane just asked I probably would have left him at that point, as long as I wasn't robbing or betraying him or otherwise leaving him for dead. But what makes it so hard to blame Kenny is that even when it looks like he was making a bad decision he somehow turns out to be right, EVERY SINGLE TIME. Arvo is a dickhole, the truck could be fixed, Wellington was the same distance from Howe, Jane was up to something (I loled when you find Aj and he calls her nuts). The only time he really fucked up was when he got people killed in the cabin.

 

Okay this is TWD not GOT

Hopefully that won't be the case for much longer!


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So who thinks The Wolf Among Us was better?



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honestly i couldn't follow TWAU's plot. Everything about the plot go so heavy by the end, what i did enjoy was shirtless bigby and the ending twist.



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i dont agree with what jane did but the entire time people were talking about how kenny was turning into another Carver. Maybe Jane was right about Kenny, you can learn a lot about someone when theyre angry imho. But two wrongs dont make a right. Screwing with Kenny like that to prove a point? 

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thats low.

 

the smart thing to have done was drive back to the compound, which is a day away, pick up some supplies, then drive off into the sunset. Nobody knows how far wellington is

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. at the very least the gang would be in a better position to continue the journey even if the car ran out of gas. so screw Kenny on that part.

 

but kenny n jane's lone survivor mentality wouldnt allow for this middleground.

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theres no true good ending.



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So who thinks The Wolf Among Us was better?

 

The Wolf Among Us' world is a lot more interesting compared to The Walking Dead's. That I can say without being in two minds.



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That's what made the decisions I made at the end easier to swallow. I felt awful, but my goal was to survive and maintain as much humanity as I could, for if I lost it, then my survival would become pointless and I might as well be another walker.

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I have to say that this new episode was brilliant. I loved every second of it.

Just a few of my thoughts. *SPOILERS!!!!!!!*
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Bonnie, Arvo and that one guy(can't remember his name lol) they suck...i hate them after what they did. Honestly I kinda expected the choice to shoot them at some point. Kinda sad I couldn't lol. Hopefully in season 3 ^_^

At the very end I shot Kenny. I really didn't want to. I loved that guy, and defended him pretty much every chance I got. Even when he started to lose it. I knew the reasons why, unlike everyone else I was able to understand why he became what he was. And even though he was a broken man with a lot of problems he loved Clem. But as the episode went on I knew that he was gonna lose it eventually. And even though I think Jane was an ass for doing what she did, I knew what her intentions were. And I couldn't let Kenny kill her. I will admit it hurt like hell though. But what he said as he was dying was perfect, I was expecting him to be angry or shocked at what I did. But he wasn't. He knew that he screwed up. And he understood. It made me like him even more. He was broken enough to make a lot of mistakes, but not broken enough to not be able to realize that what he did was wrong. I feel like I made the right decision. But I still will miss him a lot.

I went with Jane. Just seeing how she was with Clem, that she genuinely cared about you. And that despite being a loner for so long, she came back for you and confided in you. Especially at the end when she was explaining herself to you, just the tone of her voice was so sad to me. It's obvious she knew she messed up. And that she sincerely wanted to be with you. And even though she messed up, I knew she didn't expect Kenny to try to kill her. I knew she wanted to show us what he was capable of. And unfortunately he was capable of more then both Clem and her thought. So I think that kind of fell on Kenny.

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What gets me is all the people that just accept Kenny's state towards the end of the episode instead of making an attempt to prove him wrong about how he feels about himself.

 

True story right now-

 

I have a friend I haven't seen in over a year who showed up out of the blue the other day at my place. This guy is someone I've known ever since we were kids, its been over a decade that I've known him.

 

I'd been wondering where he'd been, and then I found out;he'd made some mistakes and gotten himself in jail for quite some time. Worse yet, he made the same mistakes when he got out, and is gonna be heading back in come November.

 

So after letting him know all was well, giving him some advice, etc etc, hours later I was thinking to myself, "Damn. I should've been able to prevent this. I should've been able to stop this. Thats what I'm supposed to do, and I failed."

 

My stepfather talked to me about it and basically tried to tell me that no, I shouldn't feel responsible, as you can't save everyone(something I already know, but its nice to hear it from someone else). You can try, hard as it is.

 

So, that can be applied in two ways to the scenario with Kenny-

 

Do you just accept that you can't save him? Or do you try to help him/save him through all the trials and tribulations?

 

My friend told me that he lost everything;I told him that no, he didn't. He still had us.

 

So in a way, I feel like the same thing happened with Kenny and my Clementine. He felt like he was a monster, out of control, and had lost so much;but my Clementine was there to let him know that no, he hadn't lost everything, and he could absolutely get better.

 

So hopefully they're off to do just that, at least in my TWD universe.



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Sometimes I wonder if I'm emotionally broken. I went the Jane route and felt absolutely nothing at the end. Actually, I was kind of relieved

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Then I read forums like this one and Steam and people say they cried (or came close to it).

 

I'm replaying s1 and then s2, going for a different ending...hoping I'll be more engaged in the ending if I play through it all in a short amount of time.



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theres no true good ending.

 

This is the one true good ending!!!!


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I'm replaying s1 and then s2, going for a different ending...hoping I'll be more engaged in the ending if I play through it all in a short amount of time.

 

Will that work? I'd of figured it'd of been easier over a longer period of time.



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This is the one true good ending!!!!

 

TRUE STORY, WE CAN ALL GO HOME NOW, DEBATE IS OVER



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What gets me is all the people that just accept Kenny's state towards the end of the episode instead of making an attempt to prove him wrong about how he feels about himself.

True story right now-

I have a friend I haven't seen in over a year who showed up out of the blue the other day at my place. This guy is someone I've known ever since we were kids, its been over a decade that I've known him.

I'd been wondering where he'd been, and then I found out;he'd made some mistakes and gotten himself in jail for quite some time. Worse yet, he made the same mistakes when he got out, and is gonna be heading back in come November.

So after letting him know all was well, giving him some advice, etc etc, hours later I was thinking to myself, "Damn. I should've been able to prevent this. I should've been able to stop this. Thats what I'm supposed to do, and I failed."

My stepfather talked to me about it and basically tried to tell me that no, I shouldn't feel responsible, as you can't save everyone(something I already know, but its nice to hear it from someone else). You can try, hard as it is.

So, that can be applied in two ways to the scenario with Kenny-

Do you just accept that you can't save him? Or do you try to help him/save him through all the trials and tribulations?

My friend told me that he lost everything;I told him that no, he didn't. He still had us.

So in a way, I feel like the same thing happened with Kenny and my Clementine. He felt like he was a monster, out of control, and had lost so much;but my Clementine was there to let him know that no, he hadn't lost everything, and he could absolutely get better.

So hopefully they're off to do just that, at least in my TWD universe.


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So who thinks The Wolf Among Us was better?

I think they were on par overall.  I did prefer the ending to TWAU to S2 TWD.  Still neither beats the ending to the first season of TWD.

 

The other thing about TWAU, I can only take so much of an unrelenting dystopia and TWAU is much lighter in tone and at times more 'fun'.  I've had to watch TWD tv show in spurts because its so guddam depressing, especially when its bad things happening to good people 10 fold (although when bad things happen to bad people it lightens the load :lol: )



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And to the surprise of absolutely nobody I ended up

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Finished the season last night, and...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have to say that while I admire its intent and it certainly had some great moments, I don't think this season was nearly as successful as Season 1, and I think Telltale is fumbling both the overall concept of difficult choices and the use of Clementine as the player-character.

 

For one thing, I never could get past the feeling that Clementine was being given an unrealistically influential role in this group, and that it was driven by the necessity of giving the player some agency than by what made the most sense for the characters. The one person who might logically be inclined to listen to her is Kenny, but he's too busy having an extended nervous breakdown most of the time - whenever you try to tell him to chill out, he usually just finds some excuse to keep acting like a nutcase. Yes, she's smart and she's done well to survive this long, but by definition, anyone we meet has probably had to go through some tough experiences to survive, so why do they listen to her any more than anyone else?

 

Speaking of which, if Clementine coming to terms with his increasingly extreme behavior (either by supporting him anyway as a friend, or trying to calm him down and eventually shooting him to keep him from killing Jane) was supposed to be the main "arc" of the season, then it's another example of how asking a presumably mostly adult audience of gamers to roleplay an 11-year-old can go wrong. I had seen Kenny as a bit of a loose cannon all along and was growing wary of his violent overreactions from pretty early on, but I was left waiting for a chance for my character to realize it as well. And even then, I think I wasn't given a chance for Clementine to express it very directly until one of the adult characters brought it up.

 

I have a *big* problem with Lee, in the dream/flashback, saying something along the lines that sometimes growing up means helping the people you care about even it means having to hurt others. No, it absolutely does *not* mean that. Frankly, being nice to people you like and care about is easy. It's how we treat people who aren't close to us that, IMO, is a better measure of character. I certainly don't remember Lee saying this in Season 1, and if given it as a dialogue choice I most definitely would not have picked it. Maybe this was an attempt to make Kenny's POV and behavior seem more sympathetic than it otherwise might, but why are they putting the words in the mouth of someone who, depending on the player's choices, may well have disagreed with Kenny at every possible turn?

 

I was also irked that they continued glossing over the whole question of what happened to the people at Howe's. We don't see any of them dead except for Carver, but it's clear that at the very least, they've been driven out of there to an uncertain fate. IMO, using Howe's as bait for walkers as a way to escape was even more serious as a moral issue than, say, whether or not to take the supplies from the station wagon in Season 1, and yet the game *forces* you go to along with it. Obviously Howe's had its own set of issues, but that was mostly Carver's doing, and nobody seems to acknowledge that this stunt might well get the entire community killed. Clementine and Jane don't really comment upon it in the ending I saw, and nobody brings up what may or may not have happened there when the discussion of possibly going back comes up.

 

There are a lot more loose ends than there were at the end of S1, for reasons that don't seem all that clear in terms of storytelling. In S1, when someone like Kenny or Lilly exited the story, it happened in a way that felt more resonant with their characters and what had led up to their decisions. In S2, it feels more haphazard. Christa and Clementine are separated by accident, and Christa never does turn back up. All of the 400 Days characters except Bonnie were, presumably, still at Howe's when the walkers attacked, but some of them barely got a line or two and we don't know if any of them survived or where they went. Mike, Bonnie, and Arvo flee on foot after the fight over the truck and Clementine being wounded, but this was more of a plot point in the conflict with Kenny than anything that felt like the natural end-point for their characters (though maybe Mike and Arvo are incidental enough that lack of resolution for them is acceptable). There's the quick cut to the gun that Randy (?) has at the end if you let his family into Howe's, but is that meant to imply that he's necessarily going to turn on Clementine and Jane, or just a reminder that there's still going to be distrust and suspicion?

 

And last but not least, they never revealed what happened to Christa's baby or justified, in story terms, hiding it from the audience. This is a big, big problem for a game that centers around how the player-character develops and reacts to circumstances. I mean, think about it - we're supposed to roleplay Clementine with the assumption that her attitudes and behavior might change and be affected by what happens to her over the course of what seems to be not much more than a few weeks, as well as her experiences with Lee from S1. But an entire *year* that she spends with Christa, during which she presumably witnesses either a miscarriage or the death or kidnapping of an infant, has so little influence on her that we can just assume she's the same person that she was at the beginning of S2 Episode 1? Or, if it does change her, we're just supposed to guess at how and why? For me, this is a cardinal sin of games that ask us to roleplay a main character in terms of attitude, dialogue, philosophy, etc. If we're going to do that in a way that's coherent and makes sense, the game should not withhold from the player information that the character clearly has.

 

While I'll be interested in a Season 3, I kind of hope, at this point, that the divergent endings of S2 mean that we'll be starting fresh with new characters, hopefully with an adult player-character whose perspectives we can understand a little more easily. The Lee/Clementine arc now has a potentially unworkable mix of characters who just disappeared and choices that might affect their status and future decisions - for example, if Bonnie is alive and were to return to Howe's on her own, she'd probably have different reactions to finding (1) the place abandoned, (2) Clementine and Jane alone, or (3) Clementine and Jane with the family that shows up at the end.



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Spoilers !! I guess  :D

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Kenny may be quick to anger and a bit of a psycho at times but at least he is honest, and you know what your dealing with. Not to mention I feel kenny and Clem have a father daughter bond at this point and I dont want to see it end yet. With Jane always ready to leave or scheming to "prove a point" there is no trusting her imo. So staying with kenny, to me seems the best way to go. Plus I don't trust wellington, I just have this weird feeling that that its just like carvers or worse. If kenny dies anyway I want it to be saving clem and  Aj or something like that, not being shot like rabid dog! 


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