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[Ibn_Shisha]

I find pretty much everything about Square to be overstated. It's not as if earlier FFs weren't pretty linear, and as Voragoras was saying it's not as if larger worlds don't also frequently mean boring and faceless. Comparing something like Daggerfall to the likes of FFIV or something would have yielded a pretty much identical comparison to that between something like XIII and Skyrim.

 

I don't think we're missing out on anything honestly, if anything, most companies could stand to learn from Square. Also, for people who suggest they have no credibility in less linear games they've obviously never played XIV (either 1.0 or ARR) or.XI for that matter.

 

In fact, it's ironic to consider that many gamers were unhappy with XIV originally despite being a larger, more seamless world. It was only when it was narrowed down and made much more strict and limited, with an emphasis on endgame raiding that western gamers (who supposedly idolize Skyrim, etc) were able to accept it. 

 

Skyrim and the Elder Scrolls series was fortunate to have Ken Rolston churning out interesting ideas and worlds for them at one point, without that, I doubt Skyrim would of ever become the success it did, open world or not. No game company right now outside of maybe CPDR or possibly Bioware intermittently is even capable of filling the blank space in any game that I've come across, and without that none of them really stand a chance in the long term IMHO...

Storywise (and creature level-gating), sure, the early games were linear, but with the world map, the stories and characters, it felt much less linear than the hallway concept they started in X.  And you are correct - I have never played XI or XIV (or WoW, etc.)  The only MMO I've ever touched is TOR, which I play more as a single player, and only because my pc just does not like KOTOR.

 

As far as capabilities, I think any company is capable of making a great game - they just rarely manage to execute it.  Despite it's problems, I think DAI is a step in the right direction as far as an attempt to fuse incredible graphics, great story and character, and ES-like exploration.  There were stumbles, but it is a learning experience, especially in a franchise like DA which seems to be all about trying something new in each iteration.  I'm very curious to see how both TW3 and ME4 turn out as they seem to also be attempts in the same direction.  My disappointment with Square is that they haven't really tried that yet outside of the MMO titles.

 

Semi off-topic - has anybody heard anything (rumors/whispers/anything at all) if there's another Star Ocean in the works?

[Seraphim24]

Tri-ace is a mobile developer now, the last Star Ocean will probably always be Star Ocean 4.

[Seraphim24]

Yeah

 

http://www.technobuf...mobile-company/

[Ibn_Shisha]

Wow.  That is disheartening.  I never played any of their other stuff, and never had an opportunity to play SO1, but SO:TSS is still one of my favorites.  SO:TTEOT I enjoyed despite the wierd matrix twist ending, and SO:TLH I did like the story (but abhorred the combat).

[TheChris92]

There was that one Star Ocean that ended even worse than that of David Cage's Fahrenheit.. Man, was it bad.

[Ibn_Shisha]

There was that one Star Ocean that ended even worse than that of David Cage's Fahrenheit.. Man, was it bad.

Till the End of Time?  Yeah, definitely a wtf ending, but it was fine up to that point.

[Voragoras]

Storywise (and creature level-gating), sure, the early games were linear, but with the world map, the stories and characters, it felt much less linear than the hallway concept they started in X.  And you are correct - I have never played XI or XIV (or WoW, etc.)  The only MMO I've ever touched is TOR, which I play more as a single player, and only because my pc just does not like KOTOR.

 

As far as capabilities, I think any company is capable of making a great game - they just rarely manage to execute it.  Despite it's problems, I think DAI is a step in the right direction as far as an attempt to fuse incredible graphics, great story and character, and ES-like exploration.  There were stumbles, but it is a learning experience, especially in a franchise like DA which seems to be all about trying something new in each iteration.  I'm very curious to see how both TW3 and ME4 turn out as they seem to also be attempts in the same direction.  My disappointment with Square is that they haven't really tried that yet outside of the MMO titles.

 

Semi off-topic - has anybody heard anything (rumors/whispers/anything at all) if there's another Star Ocean in the works?

 

The problem is side-quests and exploration. If you want a secure and focused narrative, you can't have side quests, because side quests necessitate a messed up pace in your main plot. Inquisition never felt like the world was ending, because I could go faff about rescuing some guy's ram for 10 minutes. Yes, they framed it within the context of gaining power, but it didn't change the fact that there was no sense of impending doom. Already you've made a sacrifice in what kind of story you can tell well.

[Ibn_Shisha]

The problem is side-quests and exploration. If you want a secure and focused narrative, you can't have side quests, because side quests necessitate a messed up pace in your main plot. Inquisition never felt like the world was ending, because I could go faff about rescuing some guy's ram for 10 minutes. Yes, they framed it within the context of gaining power, but it didn't change the fact that there was no sense of impending doom. Already you've made a sacrifice in what kind of story you can tell well.

Well, it's definitely a balancing issue, but I still don't think it's undoable.  DAI has the increasingly nasty rifts scattered throughout the maps to remind you things are going to hell, just as Skyrim had the random dragons. 

[Seraphim24]

You guys want to share favorite FFXIII trilogy characters or something?

 

Lightning

Sarah

Caius

Vanille

Oerba

Noel

Sazh

Snow

 

 

 

Hope

[dongsaeng]

You guys want to share favorite FFXIII trilogy characters or something?

 

Lightning

Sarah

Caius

Oerba

Noel

Snow

 

 

 

Hope

Vanille would be my all time fave in the FF13 tilogy

[Seraphim24]

Dear god I forgot Vanille doh, well I'll put her after Caius.

[The Love Runner]

Dear god I forgot Vanille doh, well I'll put her after Caius.

You forgot Sazh, too.

Lightning
Sazh
Fang
Sarah
Snow
Vanille
Hope

I can't say anything about Noel, since I have yet to play XIII-2.

[Seraphim24]

Haha... oh my... how embarassing. I guess I was just thinking of all 3 in the aggregate and kind of instinctually. In fact,  could of put Lumina in there somewhere also I guess. Hmm.. where does Sazh go... maybe slightly above Snow or tied with Snow I guess.

 

Geez Hope is taking such a beating >.<

[Seraphim24]

Cid was pretty cool though I kind of agree with you there I might of put him higher.

 

I just came across this thought it was kinda funny.

 

[Matieo]

 

Hear, hear.

[Seraphim24]

As the title says, the second one is X1 footage specifically.

And she has the weirdest accent I've ever heard.

http://www.gamespot....v/1100-6425749/

Apparently an all-male cast isn't the end of the world.

 

It looks pretty similar to the other videos to me, FFXIII with a Kingdom Hearts twist.

 

My biggest concern is really with the absence of anything distinguishing the aesthetics from XIII. It's going to probably have some pretty hilarious moments, cool moments.. idk... probably some boring moments.

 

Like the initial interest in versus was spurred by the idea that it was "darker," but I don't know what that means exactly or if that's going to happen. If they kept Stella at the forefront like a million years ago I'd probably be a lot more excited.

 

I kinda sort agree that it doesn't really matter if they're all male characters as long as it's interesting, but I don't see any reason why they wouldn't have half female half male like in every other FF.