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[Seraphim24]

Ah, I see what you mean. That just might be an advantage of franchises with a more niche success. Persona 4's antagonist wasn't particularly redeemable or justified. His mindset is quite appalling depending on your morals.

 

Exactly

[Voragoras]

The more I hear about it, the more disappointed I am. All-male playable cast with only 2/3 females in total? Sausagefest emo boyband on a road trip? Simplified "X button does everything" battle system? Stupid Latin names that are both grammatically incorrect (Of Night Of Light Sky? Names containing verbs?) and ridiculous in translation (Fire I Am Amazed Knowledge)? Cliche designs (Noctis is basically Sasuke) and personalities (of course the stern glasses guy would love logic and rationality)? Embarrassing anime dudebro "banter" (orya, I'm hungry!!!!1)?

 

idk, it'll have to do a lot to win me over. I've been loyal so far, even through FF13: The Spinoffs, but this is kinda beyond what I'm willing to tolerate.

[Seraphim24]

Unfortunately I have to agree with at least parts of it. If I can't stand DA:I for having 6 males and 3 females then the 5 males 0 females in Versus definitely qualies as a clusterf****.

 

I guess they aren't actually playable though? ... I just don't know what to think.

 

Edit: Versus, XV, whatever they call themselves these days.

[Seraphim24]

Uhh yeah there are still funny insane psychopath antagonists or others who don't really try to justify themselves in AAA titles, like I dunno, GLaDOS from Portal, Armstrong from MGRR (no, you're really not supposed to take his philosophy seriously, don't even go there). And low budget/old games try to make their antagonists super deep and philosophical to the point of being pretentious all the time. I don't think there's really anything more than a superficial correlation with the whole "money" thing.

I guess there could be a trend for games to be gritty and mature and have antihero type antagonists, and "safe" big money would follow reliable trends, but I don't see the amount of those types of games being really out of proportion to support that.

 

I guess I just mean controversial characters generally. A plainly psychopathic or logical overdrive type of personality isn't all that interesting to me. FF6 came out in like.. gosh.. 1992? 1993? It was something I wasn't really used to from any medium, plus I think of Kefka as being not just a kind of, I'm driving so hard at perfection and trying to subtly make you better type of psychopath like Joker or I guess what Glados is, he didn't offer any justifications or anything really he genuinely just enjoyed hatred. Not saying all the cheap games are good either, I regularly check rockpapershotgun and almost without exception the indie games are bleggghhhh.

 

It would be like his profile reading calmly and plainly, hi I enjoy ruling the country, serving in the military, victimization, humiliation, murder. It didn't come off like raving psychopath, he actually made it sound like he wakes up every day with joy because he knows he's going to hurt someone. It made the contrast with the purer characters like Terra, Edgar, etc, that much more interesting.

 

League of Legends is barely a game, and doesn't even have a meaningful story in any sense, but the mere fact that they 'hint' at those kinds of characters (Jinx, Annie, etc) is enough to make it an insanely popular game. Even in other FFs like 9 there were always kind of those weird characters like Armarant or Garland, Kuja also really.

[Seraphim24]

It's really the narrow-minded ignorance of it all. "Sausagefest", "Alienating to the male demographic", I've seen many a justification for why this cast is terrible. Any arguments like that are automatically worth zero because Final Fantasy X-2 exist. And because its conveniently ignored. But ignoring that, the devs can explore whatever themes they want and the gender and appearance of the main cast sure as hell isn't indicative of much of anything.

 

It's just odd to me, like, the original versus XIII had Noctis and Stella, why would it suddenly just be all guys? Or maybe Stella was never really playable but she sure as heck seemed cool to me.

 

It wouldn't indicate anything to me if it weren't so simple to make it different. I would say the more logical comparison is just Kingdom Hearts, you only have one playable character anyway, a guy, just like in FFXV, maybe no big deal.

[Seraphim24]

Glados is fine and all, but it still came off (to me anyway) as more that house wife that finally explodes under the strain of it all or something.

 

I thought Maleficent (in the 2014 movie) was actually a pretty solid instance of an expensive thing but fairly controversial character. <Spoilers> I mean it can happen but it seems a lot more rare to me. She is 'raped' by a man who is trying to get ahead in the world, and who came from nothing, she retaliates by condemning his innocent daughter to death, before trying to repent and ultimately ending up killing the man she once loved. Knowing psychopaths vs. reckless psychopaths, I guess.

 

5 guys whacking elephants.. don't know about that one.

[Voragoras]

It's really the narrow-minded ignorance of it all. "Sausagefest", "Alienating to the male demographic", I've seen many a justification for why this cast is terrible. Any arguments like that are automatically worth zero because Final Fantasy X-2 exist. And because its conveniently ignored. But ignoring that, the devs can explore whatever themes they want and the gender and appearance of the main cast sure as hell isn't indicative of much of anything.

 

Well, a writer that doesn't even bother to do a 5 minute Google search into Latin names or Roman nomenclature doesn't bode well for the rest of the game. Honestly, it takes zero effort to make sure you're not naming your character the Latin equivalent of Desu Aisuru Ninja-sama. stupeo and prompto are verbs. No culture has names in verbal form.

 

To address your other comments: FFX-2 was different, in that, while it was an all-human and all-female cast, it regarded characters that had already been introduced and developed, and had been proven to be (although this is arguable, as with anything) well-written. Whether they continued to be is another (very contentious) debate, but the acceptance for a single-gender playable cast in FFX-2 wasn't because "woo females!", it was because "woo Rikku/Yuna!".

 

Finally, the devs can choose to explore whatever themes they want with whatever characters they want, I'm certainly not arguing otherwise, but I can also choose to not like it based on those grounds. They can also choose to name their characters something stupid out of pure laziness, just like they can name a character from England Drinkingbert Teaforth. And I can also roll my eyes at how idiotic that is.

[Seraphim24]

Yeah she was never confirmed to be anything but a character.

 

Why does it need to be different?

 

It doesn't, but it's evidence that it will be kind of a bro-show. I could totally see a 5 guy game being incredible, if that was the pure and overarching goal. I mean heck the A team was a semi-ok movie, but overall it's just evidence pointing in one direction that the game thematically speaking (not necessarily as pertains to genders literally) is going to be sort of like the Hangover in Shinjuku or something. It wouldn't matter if it was the hangover with 5 women in Shinjuku, that kind of story doesn't excite me, regardless of whether it's men or women.

 

Edit: I'm kind of kidding about the elephants, I'm sure there are probably dramatic moments in there. It was a pretty goofy trailer though in that respect.

[Seraphim24]

Well Maleficent isn't really the standard psychopath character, I just found her controversial. I wasn't really trying to create one image of a controversial character, I was just trying to come up with examples of some.

 

I just didn't find Glados that surprising or crazy is all. Psychopath or not, whatever it is you want to call her/it.

 

Psychopath or lover or dreamer or just something,  male or female, I feel like has been kind of absent in Final Fantasy since 7/9. It started in X that they had a more anime-ized direction (except for 12)... in my opinion... hopefully I can just leave it at that and make sense.

[Voragoras]

Ah, I see where you're coming from now that you expanded on why you don't have faith in these characters/story. I still find it narrow-minded but it's your right to play whatever appeals to you. I don't really think what you've seen justifies jumping to some of the conclusions you have. That's my only issue. I don't care enough about the game beyond that.

 

My main issue with it is that the more I hear, the less I care. At first, if I heard something that I didn't really care for (like the simplified battle system), I thought... Hey, I play Dynasty Warriors, and my favourite game series ever is a hack-and-slash with absolutely terrifyingly bad button-mashing gameplay, so it's not too bad. Then, the mostly male cast was announced (12 characters and only 2 of them are females, and they're all human), and I thought; sure, that's disappointing, since I was looking for some variety in who I'm playing as, but that's not anything game-breaking.

 

Then I read an interview that this choice was made because, apparently, girls aren't involved in brotastic events like road trips (which is from an interview with Nomura c. 2008, that I actually can't find the source for atm). And I thought, what? But, again, I reserved my judgement, though I was significantly more skeptical than I was at the start.

 

Since then, though, it's just gotten more and more vapid for me. These trailers are released, and it's just of all these boyband guys all driving around in their Audi having their "bonding journey" and resorting to that "hilarious" anime shounen-style character interaction, like randomly saying "lol im hungry" in the middle of a fight, as if that's somehow a reasonable thing for someone to say in that situation. It all lends itself towards it being a stylised mash of caricatures having wacky hijinks on the road, rather than an adventure of fully fleshed out characters that undergo serious development, which is what I've come to expect from all games after FFV.

 

So yeah. It's not the individual concepts that bother me, it's all of it combined - it doesn't look like it's going in a direction I'm going to enjoy. I'm still going to look at it out of loyalty to the Final Fantasy series, and I'm probably still going to buy it when the price goes down, but... Meh.

[The Love Runner]

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[Monster A-Go Go]

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Like this?

 

"So long! Strong female leads..."

[In Exile]

This game looks like its the spiritual successor of FF8 - a shonen anime storyline following the very strict convention of the particular genre it chose.