It could be a Wrex-Wreav type situation with the OGB, with the OGB being Wrex and Justice being Wreav because they said Anders can be dead permanently but not so much Justice, that would be perfect
What about the old god baby? Playable character
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 12:16
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I'm thinking the OGB will just be an optional party member at the most in a future Dragon Age game.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 12:18
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Unlikely to happen even if they set it far in the future where he can be older - Morrigan has already confirmed him male, which limits gender choice...
...and even in mixed-race couplings in dA the end result is human-dominant, so that limits race choice.
Then they have a set background as the OGB...
Basically that sounds like something that would make a better tie-in book than a game protagonist, because there's so much limitation on character flexibility and alternate development.
...and even in mixed-race couplings in dA the end result is human-dominant, so that limits race choice.
Then they have a set background as the OGB...
Basically that sounds like something that would make a better tie-in book than a game protagonist, because there's so much limitation on character flexibility and alternate development.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 12:23
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It would be a waste of resources, some people have not even considered the dark rit, so no playing as the god baby would be pointless
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 01:10
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No to nearly every suggestion in this thread. Reason: Save Import limitations.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 01:35
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I don't get why everyone is saying he can't make an appearance even when the people at ME pulled off Wrex and Wreav perfectly
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 02:13
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TimeMaster98 wrote...
I don't get why everyone is saying he can't make an appearance even when the people at ME pulled off Wrex and Wreav perfectly
Definitions of "perfectly" certainly range in the gaming world.
That being said, all it took was swapping Wrex out for Wreav, where they did the exact same thing, just with (slightly) different lines of dialogue. Who would be the "stand in" OGB?
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 04:27
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The thing most people are saying no to isn't him being in the game rather it's him actually being playable in DAI given his age which is just over 10 years old and there's absolutely no proof time flows differently in the eluvian (the writers won't even bother to answer this ridiculous thereoy)so the chance's of him being a companion or the inquisitor is 0%.
The backgrounds are pre set and tied to race class combinations and player choice eliminates the already non existent possibility to play as him.
Given the inquisitor age range which according to Laidlaw is
Which puts his or her birth in between 9:00 dragon and 9:20 dragon more or less meaning that he or she existed well befor the conception of the ogb which is in 9:31 dragon so 10-30 years, same thing when DA2 came out some people thought that he grew fully in a year or appeared a year before his birth due to time traveling lol.
His or hers companions will have a similar age range with the possible grey warden with a beard being the oldest and I guess Sera if she's a companion will probably be the youngest, Cassandra is in between 36-42+ depending on her age in DOTS.
DAI is going to take place after 9:41 dragon since they've said just over 10 years from when the Blight ended which was in 9:31 dragon which puts him at 11-13 years old no more than that.
There's a chance that maybe at some point in the future he might be a companion but it's probability is so low since he's not their canon and not everyone chose to do the dr, and his possible importance is supposed to be high so I don't see him ever becoming playable.
The backgrounds are pre set and tied to race class combinations and player choice eliminates the already non existent possibility to play as him.
Given the inquisitor age range which according to Laidlaw is
@GuardianJavier Some indeterminate age over 20 and under 40.
Which puts his or her birth in between 9:00 dragon and 9:20 dragon more or less meaning that he or she existed well befor the conception of the ogb which is in 9:31 dragon so 10-30 years, same thing when DA2 came out some people thought that he grew fully in a year or appeared a year before his birth due to time traveling lol.
His or hers companions will have a similar age range with the possible grey warden with a beard being the oldest and I guess Sera if she's a companion will probably be the youngest, Cassandra is in between 36-42+ depending on her age in DOTS.
DAI is going to take place after 9:41 dragon since they've said just over 10 years from when the Blight ended which was in 9:31 dragon which puts him at 11-13 years old no more than that.
There's a chance that maybe at some point in the future he might be a companion but it's probability is so low since he's not their canon and not everyone chose to do the dr, and his possible importance is supposed to be high so I don't see him ever becoming playable.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 06:10
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Once upon a time I liked the idea that he could be a companion for those that import having done the ritual. And for those that didn't do the ritual, the character's background would have a completely different explanation.
But I've changed since that idea came to pass. It would seem too much like flaunting how decisions don't matter. I've come to prefer the games standing alone more and more.
But I've changed since that idea came to pass. It would seem too much like flaunting how decisions don't matter. I've come to prefer the games standing alone more and more.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 07:04
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Fast Jimmy wrote...
TimeMaster98 wrote...
I don't get why everyone is saying he can't make an appearance even when the people at ME pulled off Wrex and Wreav perfectly
Definitions of "perfectly" certainly range in the gaming world.
That being said, all it took was swapping Wrex out for Wreav, where they did the exact same thing, just with (slightly) different lines of dialogue. Who would be the "stand in" OGB?
Justice, maybe? He seems the type and he's survived "dying" before
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 07:08
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Vengeance is nothing like an Old God.TimeMaster98 wrote...
Fast Jimmy wrote...
TimeMaster98 wrote...
I don't get why everyone is saying he can't make an appearance even when the people at ME pulled off Wrex and Wreav perfectly
Definitions of "perfectly" certainly range in the gaming world.
That being said, all it took was swapping Wrex out for Wreav, where they did the exact same thing, just with (slightly) different lines of dialogue. Who would be the "stand in" OGB?
Justice, maybe? He seems the type and he's survived "dying" before
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 09:37
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In terms of standing up for mages, he's good enough to be a replacement because the OGB is said to be a moral old god, he took the soul of urthemiel, the dragon of beauty and was even said to be one of the few old gods who was against slavery. Having a lot of power and choosing not to use is the same as having less power and willing to use it and we all know what Justice is willing to do to free magesTaleroth wrote...
Vengeance is nothing like an Old God.TimeMaster98 wrote...
Fast Jimmy wrote...
TimeMaster98 wrote...
I don't get why everyone is saying he can't make an appearance even when the people at ME pulled off Wrex and Wreav perfectly
Definitions of "perfectly" certainly range in the gaming world.
That being said, all it took was swapping Wrex out for Wreav, where they did the exact same thing, just with (slightly) different lines of dialogue. Who would be the "stand in" OGB?
Justice, maybe? He seems the type and he's survived "dying" before
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 09:53
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Bioware really dug themselves in a hole with the ogb. They made morrigan potentially the most important character in Thedas and they offered her as a romance in addition to making her the mother of your character's child. Now when they feature morrigan, they have to take into account numerous situations, both to please fans and preserve continuity. I personally did the ritual and i would be genuinely pissed if it didn't affect inquisition, as I'm sure others would be if there choice not to do the ritual was not represented. Not to mention the kid's a god...
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 10:47
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Metalspoon60 wrote...
Bioware really dug themselves in a hole with the ogb. They made morrigan potentially the most important character in Thedas and they offered her as a romance in addition to making her the mother of your character's child. Now when they feature morrigan, they have to take into account numerous situations, both to please fans and preserve continuity. I personally did the ritual and i would be genuinely pissed if it didn't affect inquisition, as I'm sure others would be if there choice not to do the ritual was not represented. Not to mention the kid's a god...
Umm....
None of my Wardens ever had a OGB with Morrigan....IF my Wardens ever let Morrigan have her OGB, it was Alistair's or Loghain's kid.
Only kid my Warden ever begat with Morrigan was a purely nonOGB git.
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Posté 08 novembre 2013 - 11:12
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Euryipides wrote...
Metalspoon60 wrote...
Bioware really dug themselves in a hole with the ogb. They made morrigan potentially the most important character in Thedas and they offered her as a romance in addition to making her the mother of your character's child. Now when they feature morrigan, they have to take into account numerous situations, both to please fans and preserve continuity. I personally did the ritual and i would be genuinely pissed if it didn't affect inquisition, as I'm sure others would be if there choice not to do the ritual was not represented. Not to mention the kid's a god...
Umm....
None of my Wardens ever had a OGB with Morrigan....IF my Wardens ever let Morrigan have her OGB, it was Alistair's or Loghain's kid.
Only kid my Warden ever begat with Morrigan was a purely nonOGB git.
Hence why I don't think the OGB is going to be a super huge addition to the story/plot. there will be SOMETHING, but it's not going to be a playable character or a world-shaker NPC.
1) Morrigan could have NO kid
2) Morrigan could have a non-OGB kid
3) Morrigan could have a OGB kid with Alistair/Loghain/Warden
3a) If OGB with Alistair, could potentially be in line for the throne.
For it to be a playable character they'd have to Rachnai Queen the character slot, and if they DID Rachni Queen the OGB decision.....people would be very upset. World-shaking NPC? Nope...can't be....they'd have to potentially write two whole different story arcs.
I could see the OGB boiling down to something like this: OGB kid blows up a village while learning his magic and you lose some access to a low tier merchant.....or no OGB, and nothing happens to the village and you keep the low tier merchant available....or the village gets attacked by a dragon and the OGB kid saves the village and you get access to the low tier merchant, no OGB the dragon eats the whole village and no merchant available
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Posté 10 novembre 2013 - 07:54
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Spoilers: the OGB is actually chrono from Chrono Trigger
Ok, serious
The OGB can be pulled off easily just by pulling a Wrex/Wreav. I don't know why some can't see that happening. Since no one can see it I'm going to break it down.
No OGB=Justice (and maybe anders if you spared him) is the military leader of the mages while Morrigan and Fiona are the diplomatic ones. Justice does everything he can to save mages, even if it means killing non-mages and it can be him because the devs said that Justice isn't out even if you killed anders.
OGB=Justice siding with the mages but the OGB keeps him under control like Wrex and Wreav. The OGB is the military leader of the mages and it's the same thing for morrigan and Fiona as before. Also, instead of Justice (and the OGB could be old enough because, as someone else said, it all depends on how much time passes behind that portal, not to mention his mothers knowledge) and is more experienced against Flemeth and the Templars. Plus, according to Witch Hunt, he will have trained his entire life to this, so at least 10 years.
Regular kid=same thing as OGB but he has less power thus the first battles don't go as well but he's a normal mage and not an old god so more people will get behind him and not the Templars but he will have less power against Flemeth.
That's what I think would be the best way to pull him off. In truth, I just want to see Alistair's reaction to his kid.
Ok, serious
The OGB can be pulled off easily just by pulling a Wrex/Wreav. I don't know why some can't see that happening. Since no one can see it I'm going to break it down.
No OGB=Justice (and maybe anders if you spared him) is the military leader of the mages while Morrigan and Fiona are the diplomatic ones. Justice does everything he can to save mages, even if it means killing non-mages and it can be him because the devs said that Justice isn't out even if you killed anders.
OGB=Justice siding with the mages but the OGB keeps him under control like Wrex and Wreav. The OGB is the military leader of the mages and it's the same thing for morrigan and Fiona as before. Also, instead of Justice (and the OGB could be old enough because, as someone else said, it all depends on how much time passes behind that portal, not to mention his mothers knowledge) and is more experienced against Flemeth and the Templars. Plus, according to Witch Hunt, he will have trained his entire life to this, so at least 10 years.
Regular kid=same thing as OGB but he has less power thus the first battles don't go as well but he's a normal mage and not an old god so more people will get behind him and not the Templars but he will have less power against Flemeth.
That's what I think would be the best way to pull him off. In truth, I just want to see Alistair's reaction to his kid.
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Posté 10 novembre 2013 - 01:51
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I always do the ritual .
Agree that Bioware is having to account for too many player choices and include the various possibilities in the game.
Risk "the master of none " syndrome by trying to please everybody.
Agree that Bioware is having to account for too many player choices and include the various possibilities in the game.
Risk "the master of none " syndrome by trying to please everybody.
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Posté 10 novembre 2013 - 03:29
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There's a grand total of 9 companions in DAI and none of them will be the ogb or an optional one, the ogb will not be a miltary leader, will not be the leader of the mages or be the second in command of the mages under Justice, and probably won't have a major role in DAI.
At best we might see him and find out what's going to happen in the future that's all, most of the scenarios and theories some of you are putting forward just aren't realistic and you're expecting way way to much from them over an optional child who might not have control over his abilities yet.
The whole Justice thing isn't going to happen for one he's still apart of Anders who blew up the chantry like 4+ years ago if you spared him so lol that's a no, if you didn't then how do you know Justice even exists or its even the same as he once was or that he'll find a vessel for himself we don't he could've died with Anders since didn't he say that justice no longer exists.
The normal child won't have a big role either seriously why do you think some 11-13 year old is going to be put in a leadership postion with the mages or even take part in battle and almost no one knows that the child exists and his mother isn't exactly fond of mages in the circle and I doubt the higher ups in the circle or the encampment of mages that broke free who listen to some kid for absolutely no reason.
These aren't the best ways nor are they even likely to happen and to be honest with you bioware doesn't have to give either a big role in DAI just to please some fans nor should they do so since there's to many combinations and well they have an entire arc planned that has an x number of games so they might just hold on to him and Morrigan and the Wardens child until they are ready.
Before you say anything i'm not being negative or anything or even hate the child since I usually do the ritual but I don't have any attachments to him nor do I even care what happens to it and why should I he was just a means to an end that has a supposedly important future in the series when they want to use him they don't have to put him in DAI and it's unlikely he'll ever be playable due to his possible importance.
At best we might see him and find out what's going to happen in the future that's all, most of the scenarios and theories some of you are putting forward just aren't realistic and you're expecting way way to much from them over an optional child who might not have control over his abilities yet.
The whole Justice thing isn't going to happen for one he's still apart of Anders who blew up the chantry like 4+ years ago if you spared him so lol that's a no, if you didn't then how do you know Justice even exists or its even the same as he once was or that he'll find a vessel for himself we don't he could've died with Anders since didn't he say that justice no longer exists.
The normal child won't have a big role either seriously why do you think some 11-13 year old is going to be put in a leadership postion with the mages or even take part in battle and almost no one knows that the child exists and his mother isn't exactly fond of mages in the circle and I doubt the higher ups in the circle or the encampment of mages that broke free who listen to some kid for absolutely no reason.
These aren't the best ways nor are they even likely to happen and to be honest with you bioware doesn't have to give either a big role in DAI just to please some fans nor should they do so since there's to many combinations and well they have an entire arc planned that has an x number of games so they might just hold on to him and Morrigan and the Wardens child until they are ready.
Before you say anything i'm not being negative or anything or even hate the child since I usually do the ritual but I don't have any attachments to him nor do I even care what happens to it and why should I he was just a means to an end that has a supposedly important future in the series when they want to use him they don't have to put him in DAI and it's unlikely he'll ever be playable due to his possible importance.
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Posté 10 novembre 2013 - 08:27
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Spectre slayer wrote...
There's a grand total of 9 companions in DAI and none of them will be the ogb or an optional one, the ogb will not be a miltary leader, will not be the leader of the mages or be the second in command of the mages under Justice, and probably won't have a major role in DAI.
At best we might see him and find out what's going to happen in the future that's all, most of the scenarios and theories some of you are putting forward just aren't realistic and you're expecting way way to much from them over an optional child who might not have control over his abilities yet.
The whole Justice thing isn't going to happen for one he's still apart of Anders who blew up the chantry like 4+ years ago if you spared him so lol that's a no, if you didn't then how do you know Justice even exists or its even the same as he once was or that he'll find a vessel for himself we don't he could've died with Anders since didn't he say that justice no longer exists.
The normal child won't have a big role either seriously why do you think some 11-13 year old is going to be put in a leadership postion with the mages or even take part in battle and almost no one knows that the child exists and his
mother isn't exactly fond of mages in the circle and I doubt the higher ups in the circle or the encampment of mages that
broke free who listen to some kid for absolutely no reason.
These aren't the best ways nor are they even likely to happen and to be honest with you bioware doesn't have to give either a big role in DAI just to please some fans nor should they do so since there's to many combinations and well they have an entire arc planned that has an x number of games so they might just hold on to him and Morrigan and the Wardens child until they are ready.
Before you say anything i'm not being negative or anything or even hate the child since I usually do the ritual but I don't have any attachments to him nor do I even care what happens to it and why should I he was just a means to an end that has a supposedly important future in the series when they want to use him they don't have to put him in DAI and it's unlikely he'll ever be playable due to his possible importance.
How many times do I have to type Wrex-Wreav, some people killed Wrex/didn't do the ritual but there's Wreav/Justice to replace him and you are saying the child's age is 10 or 15 while the age of the child depends on how time passes beyond that portal, we don't know how time works or even where she went.
Also, the Bioware devs did say that Justice is still a factor even if you killed anders, he's survived the death of his host before, I'm sure he can do it again.I said that Justice would be serving under the ogb, not the other way around. Also, one more thing, grandson of flemeth, man, you can't under estimate that power and he has all his mothers tricks plus the book you got from flemeth. Also, do you work at Bioware? because if you don't then every thing you say can be proven false by a single tweet. Do not claim facts when you do not know them, this thread is for speculation, not for calling everyone false for believing in a theory that has just about as much proof as yours. If they can pull of Wrex and Wreav then I'm sure that they can pull off the OGB, I don't see why not.
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Posté 10 novembre 2013 - 09:08
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If the Warden refused to let Morrigan get knocked up, she snuck over to Riordan's room and used blood magic to compel him to father the child, probably without remembering it. One way or another, she had the kid.
In Inquisition, the OGB will be a companion. Morrigan taught him to shape shift, so he'll be either a mabari hound, or a horse. Or he might be a crow that perches on your shoulder. Time will tell.
In Inquisition, the OGB will be a companion. Morrigan taught him to shape shift, so he'll be either a mabari hound, or a horse. Or he might be a crow that perches on your shoulder. Time will tell.
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Posté 10 novembre 2013 - 11:20
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The person probably won't play a bigger role other than being a means for the Old God to enter into the world and rally the dragons or something like that.
Edit: Pretty sure OGB will end up canon. Bioware isn't just going to throw that out, especially since there's so much lore surrounding the Old Gods. Why are they even called Old Gods in the first place?
Edit: Pretty sure OGB will end up canon. Bioware isn't just going to throw that out, especially since there's so much lore surrounding the Old Gods. Why are they even called Old Gods in the first place?
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[quote]If the Warden refused to let Morrigan get knocked up, she snuck over to Riordan's room and used blood magic to compel him to father the child, probably without remembering it. One way or another, she had the kid.
In Inquisition, the OGB will be a companion. Morrigan taught him to shape shift, so he'll be either a mabari hound, or a horse. Or he might be a crow that perches on your shoulder. Time[/quote]
Sigh this has already been refuted time and time again but fools still say otherwise so let me make it clear for you if refused the Ritual then there's no ogb, she will not go to Rirodians room since he's to tainted if you refuse you or your companion dies.
Let me make this clear she only has a child if you did the ritual or are male and slept with her at least once in the game, if not then she doesn't have a child or the ogb no matter what and I really don't understand why so many people think otherwise.
If you played as a male character and didn't sleep with her or romance her and/or a female warden then refuse to do the ritual there's no child at all, you get the she goes Orliais ultimate sacrifice epilogue.
The rest is probably just trolling so i'm not taking it seriously.
[quote]May I put this to rest?
If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done.
Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain.
If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?[/quote] David Gaider Bsn 3 years ago
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[quote]I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from.
Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused.
There is no Old God Baby.[/quote] David Gaider 3 months ago BSN http://social.biowar...133997#17134097
[quote]The person probably won't play a bigger role other than being a means for the Old God to enter into the world and rally the dragons or something like that.[/quote]
You do realize that the remaining 2 old gods are in our world right (Razikale and Lusacan)but they are slumbering (possibily hibernating according to codex) until they wake up or get corrupted by the darkspawn and turn into an archdemon.
The latter one won't happen in Dai since they've said the darkspawn won't be doing much of anything in DAI, the first one could be possible but they could also tell us about what's going on or won't show up at all who knows.
[quote] Edit: Pretty sure OGB will end up canon. Bioware isn't just going to throw that out, especially since there's so much lore surrounding the Old Gods. Why are they even called Old Gods in the first place?.[/quote]
I can assure you that he won't become canon or did you miss the part where they've already said what their canon is which is Dalish Ultimate Sacrifice, the books and comics are their own canon which is also the default settings.
[quote]The problem here is that people have a strange idea of what "canon" means-- almost a paranoia, really.
We have a default canon, which applies if you import nothing.
So if someone comes to DAI with no import of previous games, they get a certain set of previous decisions being presumed-- and those tend to be ones that don't promise future content.
The Warden of DAO is dead, because why would someone who's importing no save (and is possibly a brand new player) care about their Warden still being alive and involved in the plot?
There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?
As for things which don't involve future content, like the sex and race of the Warden, yes-- those we just decided on at some point.
So the default Warden who died was a female Dalish elf.
A default should not concern you in the slightest, however, if you intend on importing-- which I assume everyone who's hanging around on these forums a year before release likely is.
How we'll do that importing is the subject of a future reveal, it's true, but I'm uncertain why a fan would be concerned about the default settings of a version of the story they'll never use.
And if your version of the definition of canon is "it overrides my previous story", then rest assured that will not happen.
The story may not go exactly as you want/expect (as in Leliana being alive, if you killed her in DAO), but that's not the same as those previous actions being treated as if they never happened at all.
If we ever decide to move Dragon Age over to one canonical story in-between games, I'm almost positive we would give lots of advance notice to allow fans time to rend garments, burn effigies, and send cupcakes.
Until that point, just wait for news on the import feature.[/quote] David Gaider Bsn 3 months ago http://social.biowar.../index/17179465
[quote]@ShiroTenshiRyu DAO: Dalish Elf, warden dead, Alistair king DA2: Mage, sides with Mages
5:44pm - 6 Aug 13[/quote] DAI canon default settings Mark Derrah
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[quote]If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.[/quote]
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If they ever decide to make a canon story then there's not going to be an ogb in it since above is what their canon is, the child will get a small role and more than mentioned that he's somewhere nothing more than that yet.
They are very powerful of ancient male dragons who possibly made people worship them through fear or stole them from the maker depending on which you want to belive.
The tevinter imperium worshipped them after Archon(honorary) Thaison said Dunmat taught him blood magic and open temples for them, according to the codex from the runied temple in DAO.
I think you're completely missing the point timemaster your example is crap they don't have to do that nor should they something which wasn't exactly perfect though I do like Wreav. And you have absolutely nothing backing you up nor have you provided anything to help your own theory, but you keep repeating it over and over again.
The child is 11-13 and grows at a normal rate and before you say anything there's nothing saying otherwise and they will not answer or acknowledge the question of whether or not time flows differently[/b]trust me on that since i've asked numerous times including a couple times this month, and well if it depends on the timeline then this would be a no right.
They've already said just over 10 years after the Blight ended and after the interrogation of Varic which happens in 9:40 dragon10 years=9:41 dragon, the blight ended in 9:31 dragon so DAI will take place in between 9:42-9:44 dragon making the children 11-13 years old.
[quote]Depends on the timeline-- as of the end of DA2, Morrigan's child would be, what? 8 years old? He also might not exist.
Those are pretty dicey qualifications for a main character.[/quote] social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/10947666/2&lf=8
It depends on the timeline, he's to young to have that kind of role in general so him having a major role or being playable is even more unlikely. Even though it never really had much of a chance to begin with so by his(Gaider's) own statment the answer is no he won't be playable yet if at all.
As long as I have sources that back me up then how exactly are my guarantees pointless, and well same goes for you which hmm i've already done so.
[quote]Loose plot threads do not constitute an entire story, short of those people who feel their personal plot thread of "I had a child with Morrigan" or "I'm ruling Ferelden at Alistair's side" should be the basis for an entire game, regardless of whatever anyone else did.[/quote]social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14151999/4
[quote]There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that."
Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that.
So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet.
It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations.[/quote]
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It just doesn't work nothing you've said works the children are completely optional and they don't exist in their own canon.
Also they've said they should be included if you did the ritual and be included in Morrigans reason for being in the plot but nothing about him having a major role in the story or be playable.
[quote]If Morrigan had a child, then any involvement of Morrigan in the plot would need to take that child into account.
And, yes, that would have to be more than an off-hand mention by her of having a child stowed away in some extra-dimensional cupboard.[/quote] David Gaider bsn 1 year ago
[quote]Hmm. How can I put this?
The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.
Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.[/quote]
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14969906/5
[quote]
"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental.
So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.
Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely.
That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote". David Gaider.[/quote] social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/13753715/6#13786619o
Rhys is the one leading the mages now who broke free from the circle, the ones in the circle are in disarray.
Again you missed the part where they said may be a different story when asked if Justice survived Anders being killed and then said it's a matter of what you believe or the part where I said Justice might not be the same and he isn't right now justice is essentially Vengeance and who knows what state he's in from what Anders did to him.
[quote] Yes. If you killed him, he's really dead.
Justice may be another story.[/quote] David Gaider bsn
[quote]If you believe Anders, then Justice would have been freed. If not, then Justice was destroyed along with him.
Either way, Justice won't be possessing Anders' corpse. A dead Anders is gone.[/quote] David Gaider
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Do you remember when Justice took over and almost killed some poor mages who did absolutely nothing or the fact he said nothing of Justice exists even if he's freed the damage is done.
Why exactly do you think Justice or Vengeance or the ogb or Morrigan's child will be one of the leaders or have them in an important role, it just doesn't fit right either neither does the ogb being one or Justice or Vengeance serving under him.
One may or not exist in the game and one may or may not still exist and if he does exist then he most likely will not be the same as he used to be due to Anders stupidity, so those are some really big hurdles your little theory has even more so where you have provided literary nothing backing up or supporting it.
You keep bringing up the wrex wreav scenario for some reason when from all indications Justice isn't going to be one of the 9 companions, the ogb or Morrigans child either since they don't exist in biowares canon or many other peoples.
You might not have to recruit them all but there's still going to be only nine of them with a couple of dlc ones that's all. As of June of this year the companion cast is set in stone.
Also they've said this isn't really the type of story for children to be in and that's what both are children powerful ones but they are still children and to young to be a main character yet according to Gaider.
Again they have an arc planned which doesn't have a limited amount of games so they don't have to give them a big role in DAI nor do they have to please fans of the ogb or Morrigan's child and they don't have to bend over backwards to try to please the more hardcore ones like you.
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Don't be surprised if the children have a very small role since they'll most likely save them for future games when they aren't children with powers that they might not be able to control.
You're expecting way way to much and concocting an unrealistic scenario for the possible role of them without any evidence backing you and my theory lol i haven't posted one this is just me challenging you and other's who think the same if you or other people can prove me wrong then try to do so.
In Inquisition, the OGB will be a companion. Morrigan taught him to shape shift, so he'll be either a mabari hound, or a horse. Or he might be a crow that perches on your shoulder. Time[/quote]
Sigh this has already been refuted time and time again but fools still say otherwise so let me make it clear for you if refused the Ritual then there's no ogb, she will not go to Rirodians room since he's to tainted if you refuse you or your companion dies.
Let me make this clear she only has a child if you did the ritual or are male and slept with her at least once in the game, if not then she doesn't have a child or the ogb no matter what and I really don't understand why so many people think otherwise.
If you played as a male character and didn't sleep with her or romance her and/or a female warden then refuse to do the ritual there's no child at all, you get the she goes Orliais ultimate sacrifice epilogue.
The rest is probably just trolling so i'm not taking it seriously.
[quote]May I put this to rest?
If the player didn't do the Dark Ritual, or didn't get Alistair or Loghain to do it, then it wasn't done.
Had Morrigan figured out some way to otherwise do it, then nobody would have died when the Archdemon was slain.
If she had some way to go about getting the Archdemon's soul without resorting to the Dark Ritual as she proposed it, then why did she go through all the trouble?[/quote] David Gaider Bsn 3 years ago
social.bioware.com/forums/forum/1/topic/304/index/9628685/3
[quote]I'm not sure where the "but even if they refuse, the other Grey Wardens of the world may not have the same resolve..." comes from.
Speculation on the part of the article writer, perhaps? Regardless, if the player refused the Dark Ritual then it was refused.
There is no Old God Baby.[/quote] David Gaider 3 months ago BSN http://social.biowar...133997#17134097
[quote]The person probably won't play a bigger role other than being a means for the Old God to enter into the world and rally the dragons or something like that.[/quote]
You do realize that the remaining 2 old gods are in our world right (Razikale and Lusacan)but they are slumbering (possibily hibernating according to codex) until they wake up or get corrupted by the darkspawn and turn into an archdemon.
The latter one won't happen in Dai since they've said the darkspawn won't be doing much of anything in DAI, the first one could be possible but they could also tell us about what's going on or won't show up at all who knows.
[quote] Edit: Pretty sure OGB will end up canon. Bioware isn't just going to throw that out, especially since there's so much lore surrounding the Old Gods. Why are they even called Old Gods in the first place?.[/quote]
I can assure you that he won't become canon or did you miss the part where they've already said what their canon is which is Dalish Ultimate Sacrifice, the books and comics are their own canon which is also the default settings.
[quote]The problem here is that people have a strange idea of what "canon" means-- almost a paranoia, really.
We have a default canon, which applies if you import nothing.
So if someone comes to DAI with no import of previous games, they get a certain set of previous decisions being presumed-- and those tend to be ones that don't promise future content.
The Warden of DAO is dead, because why would someone who's importing no save (and is possibly a brand new player) care about their Warden still being alive and involved in the plot?
There is no OGB, because why would that person care about Morrigan having a child from some game they possibly never even played?
As for things which don't involve future content, like the sex and race of the Warden, yes-- those we just decided on at some point.
So the default Warden who died was a female Dalish elf.
A default should not concern you in the slightest, however, if you intend on importing-- which I assume everyone who's hanging around on these forums a year before release likely is.
How we'll do that importing is the subject of a future reveal, it's true, but I'm uncertain why a fan would be concerned about the default settings of a version of the story they'll never use.
And if your version of the definition of canon is "it overrides my previous story", then rest assured that will not happen.
The story may not go exactly as you want/expect (as in Leliana being alive, if you killed her in DAO), but that's not the same as those previous actions being treated as if they never happened at all.
If we ever decide to move Dragon Age over to one canonical story in-between games, I'm almost positive we would give lots of advance notice to allow fans time to rend garments, burn effigies, and send cupcakes.
Until that point, just wait for news on the import feature.[/quote] David Gaider Bsn 3 months ago http://social.biowar.../index/17179465
[quote]@ShiroTenshiRyu DAO: Dalish Elf, warden dead, Alistair king DA2: Mage, sides with Mages
5:44pm - 6 Aug 13[/quote] DAI canon default settings Mark Derrah
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[quote]If you mean the so-called "Old God Baby" will exist, regardless of whether the player took the Dark Ritual decision in DAO or not-- I can categorically say that this assumption is incorrect.[/quote]
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If they ever decide to make a canon story then there's not going to be an ogb in it since above is what their canon is, the child will get a small role and more than mentioned that he's somewhere nothing more than that yet.
They are very powerful of ancient male dragons who possibly made people worship them through fear or stole them from the maker depending on which you want to belive.
The tevinter imperium worshipped them after Archon(honorary) Thaison said Dunmat taught him blood magic and open temples for them, according to the codex from the runied temple in DAO.
I think you're completely missing the point timemaster your example is crap they don't have to do that nor should they something which wasn't exactly perfect though I do like Wreav. And you have absolutely nothing backing you up nor have you provided anything to help your own theory, but you keep repeating it over and over again.
The child is 11-13 and grows at a normal rate and before you say anything there's nothing saying otherwise and they will not answer or acknowledge the question of whether or not time flows differently[/b]trust me on that since i've asked numerous times including a couple times this month, and well if it depends on the timeline then this would be a no right.
They've already said just over 10 years after the Blight ended and after the interrogation of Varic which happens in 9:40 dragon10 years=9:41 dragon, the blight ended in 9:31 dragon so DAI will take place in between 9:42-9:44 dragon making the children 11-13 years old.
[quote]Depends on the timeline-- as of the end of DA2, Morrigan's child would be, what? 8 years old? He also might not exist.
Those are pretty dicey qualifications for a main character.[/quote] social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/10947666/2&lf=8
It depends on the timeline, he's to young to have that kind of role in general so him having a major role or being playable is even more unlikely. Even though it never really had much of a chance to begin with so by his(Gaider's) own statment the answer is no he won't be playable yet if at all.
As long as I have sources that back me up then how exactly are my guarantees pointless, and well same goes for you which hmm i've already done so.
[quote]Loose plot threads do not constitute an entire story, short of those people who feel their personal plot thread of "I had a child with Morrigan" or "I'm ruling Ferelden at Alistair's side" should be the basis for an entire game, regardless of whatever anyone else did.[/quote]social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14151999/4
[quote]There are some people saying on the forums that they expect the Dark Ritual to be the focus of an entire game, like "Oh, I think I should be playing the Old God baby and everything should revolve around that."
Again, with that we have to make a completely different game for the person who did the Dark Ritual or didn't do the Dark Ritual, and we can't do that.
So if you did the Dark Ritual, if and when we brought Morrigan back, you should get something extra for having done the Dark Ritual, for having imported it, and it affects your game in some important facet.
It may not be as important as some people like, but it can be important, and provided we have the time to create the content...ideally there would be unique content, as much of it as possible for these variations.[/quote]
swooping-is-bad.livejournal.com/1286233.html
It just doesn't work nothing you've said works the children are completely optional and they don't exist in their own canon.
Also they've said they should be included if you did the ritual and be included in Morrigans reason for being in the plot but nothing about him having a major role in the story or be playable.
[quote]If Morrigan had a child, then any involvement of Morrigan in the plot would need to take that child into account.
And, yes, that would have to be more than an off-hand mention by her of having a child stowed away in some extra-dimensional cupboard.[/quote] David Gaider bsn 1 year ago
[quote]Hmm. How can I put this?
The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.
Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.[/quote]
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/371/index/14969906/5
[quote]
"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental.
So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.
Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely.
That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote". David Gaider.[/quote] social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/13753715/6#13786619o
Rhys is the one leading the mages now who broke free from the circle, the ones in the circle are in disarray.
Again you missed the part where they said may be a different story when asked if Justice survived Anders being killed and then said it's a matter of what you believe or the part where I said Justice might not be the same and he isn't right now justice is essentially Vengeance and who knows what state he's in from what Anders did to him.
[quote] Yes. If you killed him, he's really dead.
Justice may be another story.[/quote] David Gaider bsn
[quote]If you believe Anders, then Justice would have been freed. If not, then Justice was destroyed along with him.
Either way, Justice won't be possessing Anders' corpse. A dead Anders is gone.[/quote] David Gaider
social.bioware.com/%20http:/social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/315/index/12589241
Do you remember when Justice took over and almost killed some poor mages who did absolutely nothing or the fact he said nothing of Justice exists even if he's freed the damage is done.
Why exactly do you think Justice or Vengeance or the ogb or Morrigan's child will be one of the leaders or have them in an important role, it just doesn't fit right either neither does the ogb being one or Justice or Vengeance serving under him.
One may or not exist in the game and one may or may not still exist and if he does exist then he most likely will not be the same as he used to be due to Anders stupidity, so those are some really big hurdles your little theory has even more so where you have provided literary nothing backing up or supporting it.
You keep bringing up the wrex wreav scenario for some reason when from all indications Justice isn't going to be one of the 9 companions, the ogb or Morrigans child either since they don't exist in biowares canon or many other peoples.
You might not have to recruit them all but there's still going to be only nine of them with a couple of dlc ones that's all. As of June of this year the companion cast is set in stone.
Also they've said this isn't really the type of story for children to be in and that's what both are children powerful ones but they are still children and to young to be a main character yet according to Gaider.
Again they have an arc planned which doesn't have a limited amount of games so they don't have to give them a big role in DAI nor do they have to please fans of the ogb or Morrigan's child and they don't have to bend over backwards to try to please the more hardcore ones like you.
mobile.twitter.com/Mike_Laidlaw/status/365960887066042369
Don't be surprised if the children have a very small role since they'll most likely save them for future games when they aren't children with powers that they might not be able to control.
You're expecting way way to much and concocting an unrealistic scenario for the possible role of them without any evidence backing you and my theory lol i haven't posted one this is just me challenging you and other's who think the same if you or other people can prove me wrong then try to do so.
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@Spectre Slayer - I hope you have that response saved in a Word file, because in a few more months somebody will make this same thread and give the same wild theories, ignoring both logic and Bioware's responses. They won't accept the truth until the game is released and they're proven wrong.
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Icy Magebane wrote...
@Spectre Slayer - I hope you have that response saved in a Word file, because in a few more months somebody will make this same thread and give the same wild theories, ignoring both logic and Bioware's responses. They won't accept the truth until the game is released and they're proven wrong.
Yes i have this response saved on my word app and bookmarked on my cell with numerous quotes from the devs and writers along with many many other sources, and trust me I know that they never stop nor do they want to accept logic when provided with it or quotes from the people who made the game.
