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[TheKomandorShepard]

considering that we encountered many abomnations even with restricted circle lax circle must lead to rly many abomnations.

[Hellion Rex]

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Seems like people are working under the assumption that "freedom" is inherently good...

If that were the case then slavery would still be common around the world.

I think you worded that wrong.

[Hellion Rex]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@eluvianix: Can you provide proof they were doing fine?

I can provide a Codex that suggests that there were rumors that the Rivaini turned their failed Harrowed students into pigs and ate them. Certainly suggesting "something" was considered wrong with the Circle.

We have not been to Rivain, we have only a handful of sentences about Rivain.  Almost anything said about Rivain is headcanon.

Oh, please. Show me that Codex.

And we have no evidence to prove that they were not doing fine.
Considering it took so long for anyone to figure out what they were doing, Dairsmuid appeared to have it under control.

Modifié par eluvianix, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:12 .

[Br3admax]

eluvianix wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Seems like people are working under the assumption that "freedom" is inherently good...

If that were the case then slavery would still be common around the world.

I think you worded that wrong.

Freedom to take freedom. 

[Medhia Nox]

@cjones91: Slavery is, in fact, at an all time world highest... I can provide links if you need.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix: Gladly, it's called "The Harrowing" Codex entry.

And before you say something, I already said it's acknowledged as a rumor - but rumors have a tendency to hint at something.

It's proof of nothing - but more proof than "Everything was fine."

[Hellion Rex]

@Medhia Nox, are there even spells for forcible shapershifting? I am somewhat dubious about your claim of the Rivain circle.

Edit: Fine. Either way, we lack the full story as to what was occuring in Dairsmuid.

Modifié par eluvianix, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:15 .

[HiroVoid]

Medhia Nox wrote...

It's proof of nothing - but more proof than "Everything was fine."

Oh please.  That has about as much validity as the description for that book item.

[Medhia Nox]

@eluvianix; It's not a claim.. it's a codex entry "rumor".

And, as I said - proves nothing. But I could say I have more support for: "Rivain was a land of insane mages." than you do for "Everything was fine." Given what little text we have about Rivain.

@HiroVoid:  Clearly, you're not even listening to what I'm trying to say. 

EDIT:  Eluvianix:  agreed, I'm simply refuting the use of Rivaini as an example of what mages can be - given a total lack of information about it.  

Anything stated is simply headcanon and says nothing about the Dragon Age world as it is designed.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:18 .

[HiroVoid]

.....I was joking.

[EmperorSahlertz]

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Seems like people are working under the assumption that "freedom" is inherently good...

If that were the case then slavery would still be common around the world.

Slavery IS still common...

[Medhia Nox]

@HiroVoid: Then it was I who wasn't listening. Mae culpa.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Didn't Gaider mention abominations in Rivain were basically just considered living natural disasters?

Link?

Yeah, I doubt he said that.

That is however what Gaider said. The Rivaini don't see the act of possession as a bad thing, but just a natural aspect of life. Hence they would not blame mages if an Abomination were to run rampage, any more than they would blame the ocean for a tsunami.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:27 .

[Medhia Nox]

@EmperorSahlertz: That's insane.

And yes, I have heard that fact mentioned in other threads.  Which doesn't make it true - but this isn't the first time I'm hearing about it. 

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:26 .

[cjones91]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Seems like people are working under the assumption that "freedom" is inherently good...

If that were the case then slavery would still be common around the world.

Slavery IS still common...

But only in the criminal underworld,most countries look down on slavery and people can serve heavy prison sentences just for being connected to human trafficking,

[Icy Magebane]

Um... I just read that codex entry on the Harrowing. Brother Genetivi calls the rumor "patently ridiculous." This is supposed to be proof of Rivain's Circle culture?  IMO this isn't even worth consideration.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 12 novembre 2013 - 07:28 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

I don't know if it is "insane" as much as a more simplistic view of the world. It would appear that they place more weight on effect than cause.

[Hellion Rex]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Didn't Gaider mention abominations in Rivain were basically just considered living natural disasters?

Link?

Yeah, I doubt he said that.

That is however what Gaider said. The Rivaini don't see the act of possession as a bad thing, but just a natural aspect of life. Hence they would not blame mages if an Abomination were to run rampage, any more than they would blame the ocean for a tsunami.

And yet we have no evidence that things were so bad over there either, beyond what the Seeker saw.

[Medhia Nox]

@Icy Magebane: I honestly shouldn't even respond to you. Read what I wrote three times - and you'll have your answer about what I feel it is "proof" of.

[EmperorSahlertz]

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

cjones91 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Seems like people are working under the assumption that "freedom" is inherently good...

If that were the case then slavery would still be common around the world.

Slavery IS still common...

But only in the criminal underworld,most countries look down on slavery and people can serve heavy prison sentences just for being connected to human trafficking,

That might be true in the western world. That is not however how the rest of the world operates.

[EmperorSahlertz]

eluvianix wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Didn't Gaider mention abominations in Rivain were basically just considered living natural disasters?

Link?

Yeah, I doubt he said that.

That is however what Gaider said. The Rivaini don't see the act of possession as a bad thing, but just a natural aspect of life. Hence they would not blame mages if an Abomination were to run rampage, any more than they would blame the ocean for a tsunami.

And yet we have no evidence that things were so bad over there either, beyond what the Seeker saw.

I don't think Gaider's comment should be taken as proof or anything. It is rather an indication of the Rivaini mindset towards magic, demons, spirit and possession. It was probably just an illustration of their worldview.

[HiroVoid]

Found another poster referencing the post in another thread from about a year back, but can't find where the post was though I remember it. If I had to take a guess....I'd say it was about a year and a half ago it was made. I'd say it's about what Sahlertz said though. Riviani with their letting women be possessed to communicate with spirits seems to indicate they slightly revere this type of magic as well as seeing abominations simply as part of the natural order.

[Medhia Nox]

"IF" it's true - I wonder who's convincing them that being an abomination is totally cool... couldn't be the demons could it? Nah....

But really - Rivian isn't worth discussing in any form. We know less about them than we do about Tevinter or the Qunari.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Medhia Nox wrote...

"IF" it's true - I wonder who's convincing them that being an abomination is totally cool... couldn't be the demons could it? Nah....

But really - Rivian isn't worth discussing in any form. We know less about them than we do about Tevinter or the Qunari.

Generally Abominations are not the target they are going for. They would probably ideally want for all their possession to go the way of Wynne. Where the host is perfectly in balance with itself, and therefore creates a harmonic host body for the spirit, which makes sure it remains uncorrupted. And while you could ague that Wynne is technically an Abomination, she is certainly of a benevolent nature. However Anders would be the opposite site of the spectrum, and embody exactly what they wish to avoid. They do not wish for an unharmoic host body to pervert the spirit and create a malevolent Abomination. But when such things happen, they see it as a natural occurence (which arguably it is).

[Icy Magebane]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Icy Magebane: I honestly shouldn't even respond to you. Read what I wrote three times - and you'll have your answer about what I feel it is "proof" of.

I'm going to be honest with you, I thought HiroVoid brought that up.  Sorry...