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[Rebel Wolf]

If you think supporting templars will solve anything so are you.
Fanatics being in charge never works.

[Rebel Wolf]

Oops double post.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:15 .

[EmperorSahlertz]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

If you think supporting templars will solve anything so are you.
Fanatics being in charge never works.

I'm going to play the Inquisitor, and I will support whoever I damn well pelase. And I am fairly certain, so certain that I almost dare guarentee, that I will still be able to complete the game, even if I kill every single last mage I possibly can. Just as I am fairly certain that I can complete the game even though I killed every Templar I possibly could. Funny how that works, with no right chocie, and such huh?

[Rebel Wolf]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Rebel Wolf wrote...

If you think supporting templars will solve anything so are you.
Fanatics being in charge never works.

I'm going to play the Inquisitor, and I will support whoever I damn well pelase. And I am fairly certain, so certain that I almost dare guarentee, that I will still be able to complete the game, even if I kill every single last mage I possibly can. Just as I am fairly certain that I can complete the game even though I killed every Templar I possibly could. Funny how that works, with no right chocie, and such huh?

Not the point.
You are supporting an abusive system.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Now you are over-simplifying the issue. I could also say that I support order and that you are a dirty anarchist for supporting the mages, but that wouldn't be entirely true either now would it?

[Rebel Wolf]

But it is true,templars were raping and abusing the mages.
They are picked for zealotry,they steal children from thier mage parents and brainwash them to kill mages.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:26 .

[Hellion Rex]

Rebel Wolf wrote...

But it is true,templars were raping and abusing the mages.
They are picked for zealotry,they steal children from thier mage parents and brainwash them to kill mages.

Some, not all. Just as some mages choose to turn to blood magic for personal gain and evil.

[Rebel Wolf]

So you feel it's okay to support a system that "sometimes" rapes,but often takes the children of mages away and raises them to be templars.
Murders an entire tower of people because they "might" be blood mages,there were children in both the kirkwall and ferelden towers.
Took the Amell warden from his home and sent him all the way to ferelden for no reason so he could never see his family again.
Put the Amell warden against a freaking pride demon [the strongest one] while he was still an apprentice.
Enough abuse yet?
Oh,and they are huge hypocrites "magic is meant to serve man"
Good job doing that confined to a tower.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:45 .

[Lord Raijin]

This is how it should be.

The First Enchanter runs the Circle, Not the Chantry. The First Enchanter gives orders to the templars.

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:49 .

[Afro_Explosion]

I support mages but I cant think of a better solution than the circles or templars, but there needs to be big changes in the system, taking away templars and circles and leaving mages to their own devices won't solve anything it might make it worse. Maybe circles could function similar to hogwarts, and templars could function as a police force at best and executioners at the worst, and templars shouldn't distance themselves from mages by dehumanizing them, it leads to atrocities such as kirkwall.

[Hellion Rex]

Lord Raijin wrote...




This is how it should be.

The First Enchanter runs the Circle, Not the Chantry. The First Enchanter gives orders to the templars.

No, the Knight Commander still runs the Templars within the tower, but the First Enchanter should be allowed to give orders to Templars if need be.

Modifié par eluvianix, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:50 .

[Rebel Wolf]

There shouldn't be templars because they are zealots.
No religion should have the power to lock someone away,these templars are trained to think mages are evil and they have a divine right to punish them,that is the problem.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 15 décembre 2013 - 12:54 .

[Lord Raijin]

eluvianix wrote...

Lord Raijin wrote...

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This is how it should be.

The First Enchanter runs the Circle, Not the Chantry. The First Enchanter gives orders to the templars.

No, the Knight Commander still runs the Templars within the tower, but the First Enchanter should be allowed to give orders to Templars if need be.

No, I was trying to explain how things should be run. The Circle should be run by mages. The First Enchanter should be the one to call ALL of the shots, not the Knight Commander. While they still command the templars it is the First Enchanter that should be their superior. The only time that the Knight Commander can run the show is if the First Enchanter dies, becomes ill to the point where he/she could not perform their duties, or somehow become an abomination. 

Modifié par Lord Raijin, 15 décembre 2013 - 01:02 .

[lil yonce]

Lord Raijin wrote...

No, I was trying to explain how things should be run. The Circle should be run by mages. The First Enchanter should be the one to call ALL of the shots, not the Knight Commander. While they still command the templars it is the First Enchanter that should be their superior. The only time that the Knight Commander can run the show is if the First Enchanter dies, becomes ill to the point where he/she could not perform their duties, or somehow become an abomination. 

That's pretty much how it works in Tevinter, and on the whole, Tevinter is not a nice place for non-mages.

[Rebel Wolf]

Mages should be allowed to be useful.magic is a gift.
They could heal or protect so many but instead are abused by zealots.

[lil yonce]

Rebel Wolf wrote...
Mages should be allowed to be useful.magic is a gift.

Sure, but they need controls beyond their word. There must be templars in some form, and they can't take orders from the Circle.

[Rebel Wolf]

Sigh,yet again point missing it.
How many does the chantry have to murder before they will been seen as evil?

[TEWR]

This is how it should be.

The First Enchanter runs the Circle, Not the Chantry. The First Enchanter gives orders to the templars.

...that's EXACTLY how Tevinter came back to its strength, by giving the Mages control of the Templars (though they went about by first taking the Chantry).

And Irving does not command the Templars by himself. At best, he's so respected there that the Templars will consider his word synonymous with Gregoir's, but if Gregoir says anything they'll still follow him.

[Medhia Nox]

@Rebel Wolf: I'm curious - did you take Spirit Healer and the Creation healing spells for your mage?

[Rebel Wolf]

I can picture Anders trying to have this conversation,he was so right.

[Rebel Wolf]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Rebel Wolf: I'm curious - did you take Spirit Healer and the Creation healing spells for your mage?

I had creation spells,and lots of primal for fighting icky darkspawns.

[Medhia Nox]

Creating "healing" spells?

[Hellion Rex]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

This is how it should be.

The First Enchanter runs the Circle, Not the Chantry. The First Enchanter gives orders to the templars.

...that's EXACTLY how Tevinter came back to its strength, by giving the Mages control of the Templars (though they went about by first taking the Chantry).

And Irving does not command the Templars by himself. At best, he's so respected there that the Templars will consider his word synonymous with Gregoir's, but if Gregoir says anything they'll still follow him.

Well technically neither did those Templars have the means to retaliate either. Outside of some rare exceptions, like Lambert, by and large, Templars in Tevinter cannot counter magic.

[Rebel Wolf]

Yes,why the heck would I run a mage without healing spells?
Even my blood mage had healing spells. 
I played a dalish shapeshifter/arcane warrior.
And a human/blood mage shapeshifter.

Modifié par Rebel Wolf, 15 décembre 2013 - 01:28 .

[Lord Raijin]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@Rebel Wolf: I'm curious - did you take Spirit Healer and the Creation healing spells for your mage?

My mage was an evil blood mage, according to the laws of the Chantry, and he saved all of Ferelden from a flying tainted old god dragon that was guilding an army or Darkspawn.