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This is an interesting topic and an interesting event.

From what I've seen,  the PS4 has won hands down.  The X-box one is going to make the Wii-U look like a hot seller.

But did Sony win?

http://www.gamespot....s-study-6343451?

If that article is true,  and 56% of gamers don't buy games,  then about 75 million of the combined 140 million systems never generated any revenue,  and actually cost the platform owner money.  Microsoft just made all of those people Playstation customers.  So let's take the hypothetic situation where all 140 million people buy a console,  and Sony loses $50 for each console.  That means Microsoft just forced Sony to take a 3.75 billion dollar loss,  at a point in time where Sony is having significant enough money problems that it sold it's US headquarters to come up with cash.

That could easily bury the game arm of Sony,  or at least force radical changes.

Microsoft doesn't care,  The X-box was never a major thing for them.  They can release a living room friendly OS for the PC and keep on going.  This could very easily be a rather devious ploy for MS to strike Sony where it's weakest and eliminate it's only real competitor.

Don't get me wrong,  I'm going to pick up a PS4 and avoid the X-box One.  It's just a very interesting move to me,  it's obviously a massive mistake,  so obvious that one can't imagine what they're thinking.  Unless what they're thinking isn't "Win the console war",  but an extremely devious strategy for eliminating their competition.

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Keep in mind,  75 million go to Sony,  MS and Sony split the remainder,  so you have a situation (potentially) where < 50% of the people are generating revenue,  it'd take years for Sony to recoup their costs on the portion that doesn't.


Huh.

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I thought Ryse was just a QTE simulator?

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Mr.House wrote...

I thought Ryse was just a QTE simulator?


I was hoping we moved beyon QTE next gen. Silly me. It was the one thing I got tired of in God of War games. It was neat, cheap mechanic for awhile.

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Gatt9 wrote...

This is an interesting topic and an interesting event.

From what I've seen,  the PS4 has won hands down.  The X-box one is going to make the Wii-U look like a hot seller.

But did Sony win?

http://www.gamespot....s-study-6343451?

If that article is true,  and 56% of gamers don't buy games,  then about 75 million of the combined 140 million systems never generated any revenue,  and actually cost the platform owner money.  Microsoft just made all of those people Playstation customers.  So let's take the hypothetic situation where all 140 million people buy a console,  and Sony loses $50 for each console.  That means Microsoft just forced Sony to take a 3.75 billion dollar loss,  at a point in time where Sony is having significant enough money problems that it sold it's US headquarters to come up with cash.

That could easily bury the game arm of Sony,  or at least force radical changes.

Microsoft doesn't care,  The X-box was never a major thing for them.  They can release a living room friendly OS for the PC and keep on going.  This could very easily be a rather devious ploy for MS to strike Sony where it's weakest and eliminate it's only real competitor.

Don't get me wrong,  I'm going to pick up a PS4 and avoid the X-box One.  It's just a very interesting move to me,  it's obviously a massive mistake,  so obvious that one can't imagine what they're thinking.  Unless what they're thinking isn't "Win the console war",  but an extremely devious strategy for eliminating their competition.

Edit:

Keep in mind,  75 million go to Sony,  MS and Sony split the remainder,  so you have a situation (potentially) where < 50% of the people are generating revenue,  it'd take years for Sony to recoup their costs on the portion that doesn't.


Sorry but thats all just nonsense. 

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dreamgazer wrote...

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mandatory kinect lol.What genius thought of that?


Idealistic forward-thinkers. The idea intrigues me (complete voice and hand commands are like something out of science-fiction that I've always dug), but not the connectivity, personal "monitoring" or data gathering that comes with it.


Yeah basically.  Microsoft just came out and said "the future comes at a cost, deal with it."

No.  Thats a golden word we as consumers can say.  One company doesn't have the ability to dictate the future, they can only present us with one plan, and it will only become true if we quite literally vote it in with our money that other companies are sent the message "its what consumers want, give it to them."  I'm voting no by not buying it. 

I hope this doesn't end up successful enough that it becomes the course everyone else follows.  That will be very sad.  But, alas, I believe the general population doesn't really understand how they vote with their money, how markets work.  They will accept Microsoft's word that it is the future because they subconsciously enjoy the ease of being sheperded, and thus it will be so.  But I'm a cynical ****, so prove me wrong humanity. 

Did I really stretch that far away from your point?  Sorry. 

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J. Reezy wrote...

My only problem with the PS4 at this point is that online multiplayer isn't free like the PS3 is. At least the monthly price for Plus is cheap. Cheaper than 360's old $8-9 monthly price.

Eh, initially that was my reaction too when i first heard the news, but a one time payment of $50 for a whole year ain't too bad in the grand scheme of things.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 12 juin 2013 - 03:58 .


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breakdown71289 wrote...

J. Reezy wrote...

My only problem with the PS4 at this point is that online multiplayer isn't free like the PS3 is. At least the monthly price for Plus is cheap. Cheaper than 360's old $8-9 monthly price.

Eh, initially that was my reaction too when i first heard the news, but a one time payment of $50 for a whole year ain't too bad in the grand scheme of things.


Games on console are ALREADY more expensive and SONY already  get money out of every game they sold. It's like steam charging you for opening their browser (Oh crap). It's beyond ridiculous. Multiplayer game are frigging client side. So it's not like they're giving you bandwitd for free.

I can't believe how some of you are so easily convinced by their way of sucking you more money. It's like tax. Once they give it , they're not taking it back. I'm losing faith in humanity. People dancing while the corp plunder more money out of then...

Here

Modifié par Suprez30, 12 juin 2013 - 07:18 .


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Yeah the mandatory PS+ kinda bums me out... but then again I already pay to use Xbox Live services... and the PS+ services is cheaper and gives out free games... so I'm good.

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For PS3 vets who have never subscribed to PS+, it is a new bullet to bite, but it is still dependant on what games include online multiplayer, and even if a person is interested in that. PS+ is carrying over, so there are more perks that go along. Discounts on games, free games (can keep until subscription ends), exclusive game trials, and supposedly one free PS4 game a month (not positive on this one).


So, it's a user choice, albeit necessary to play online. I'm a subscriber, and I'm personally not shaken by this at all. I expected it eventually.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 12 juin 2013 - 07:39 .


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Kronner wrote...

PS4 is still a weak PC in a box.

Though if I had to pick, I'd take it over Xbox One any day of the week and twice on Sundays.


Consoles will ALWAYS be behind pc's in terms of tech....they will never have current cutting edge tech as pc's.

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Roflbox wrote...

Wii U has no DRM and no paywall. Just saying.

It also has no games.

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Rubios wrote...

Roflbox wrote...

Wii U has no DRM and no paywall. Just saying.

It also has no games.


Ouch.

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Edit: Nevermind.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 juin 2013 - 04:34 .


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Rubios wrote...

Roflbox wrote...

Wii U has no DRM and no paywall. Just saying.

It also has no games.

and costs  50 $ less than a superior PS4

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But still you have to pay for playing online...

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Gotta admit, I'm loving all these gifs of Sony destroying Microsoft in some form.

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DeathNyx wrote...

But still you have to pay for playing online...

PS Plus is amazing tho.Everyone should get it anyway

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IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

DeathNyx wrote...

But still you have to pay for playing online...

PS Plus is amazing tho.Everyone should get it anyway

But you're forced to get PS plus, this is bad compared to PS3.

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DeathNyx wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

DeathNyx wrote...

But still you have to pay for playing online...

PS Plus is amazing tho.Everyone should get it anyway

But you're forced to get PS plus, this is bad compared to PS3.


I will agree that that is a bad mark, but Sony picked the right time to capitolize on the switch. Instead of "Those bastards" 99.99% of people are saying "Well, compared to all the stuff Microsoft is doing, it is not that bad." Seriously, whoever put that press conference together deserves a huge raise, and then make him direct marketing until the launch so Sony does not screw it up.

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Isn't it kinda sad that we're celebrating nothing, because we dread regression (what Microsoft did) so much?

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M25105 wrote...

Isn't it kinda sad that we're celebrating nothing, because we dread regression (what Microsoft did) so much?


Pretty much.

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Regardless of Sony and Nintendo essentially continuing the plan of physical game discs, I honestly believe this will be the end. All digital next, next gen.

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Il Divo wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Isn't it kinda sad that we're celebrating nothing, because we dread regression (what Microsoft did) so much?


Pretty much.


Hold the Line.

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General Slotts wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

M25105 wrote...

Isn't it kinda sad that we're celebrating nothing, because we dread regression (what Microsoft did) so much?


Pretty much.


Hold the Line.


This brings back some memories of Retake. In their own masochistic way, those were fun times.

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^ Who is ordering the cupcakes?