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[josh42426]

Sidney wrote...

josh42426 wrote...
Yes, after playing through the ten hour main story of mass effect I really felt the depth...Mass effect looks impressive against games like cod but in the rpg realm its nothing more than a little mouse.

A. More time more content. Oblviion takes forever but there's a lot less story and depth in it than in ME depsite eons of playing. Unless you think the 23rd oblivion tower is a really all that different from the first.

B. 10 hours? You know you can blast through DAO in > 15 right - been there and done it.  Bioshock took me longer, does that make Bioshock deeper than DOA and ME?

C. You don't feel there's a depth and scope of story in ME? Really, not much I can say. There's as much depth and lore in ME as in DAO and likely more than in KoTOR.

I never liked oblivion but yes, it does have much more content. I'm not the only one who thinks so either. How enjoyable that content is does not matter, it is superior to ME ten times over.

I did not post to praise DAO and I am aware it is also quite short (sticking to traditional bioware length). The point I was trying to make is that clearly DAO>ME in terms of storytelling so therefore is the better game unless you like shooters. Even if there was a good amount of depth and scope in ME it still can not stand up to pure rpgs. Its a pathetic excuse for one and plays more like uncharted 2 than anything else. So compared to games in general then yes. Mass effect does have quite alot of depth. But it was and always will be a hybrid. In fact, thats the only reason the second is so anticipated, after being enticed with a badass sci fi action flick with guns it made people try it. What do you know? they liked. Certainly if it had been baldurs gate 3 people would take one look at the boxart and ignore it. 

[josh42426]

In fact, rpgs are a bit like heavy metal. The purest form of it will drive most away but softened up with a little pop makes everyone think they are a metal fan. Example, mass effect.

Modifié par josh42426, 20 janvier 2010 - 11:46 .

[Abriael_CG]

josh42426 wrote...

In fact, rpgs are a bit like heavy metal. The purest form of it will drive most away but softened up with a little pop makes everyone think they are a metal fan.

Ahah lately everything that has levels and experience gain gets labeled as an RPG. Mass Effect is definitely more akin to a third person shooter than to an RPG.

[The Elite Elite]

Well, while I have greatly enjoyed both ME and DAO, personally I prefer ME. The typical great Bioware made universe combined with the gameplay of a shooter make it almost perfect to me. However, I prefer the character depth and interaction in DA over ME. Hopefully this is something Bioware will bring to ME2. However, they are two very different games, so it is hard to compare the two.

[Sidney]

Abriael_CG wrote...

You can "blast" thorugh DAO in 15 hours if you skip all the dialogue and cutscenes. If you skip through those in ME, and do no side questing, it's unlikely it'll last you 8 hours. Very possibly less.

Actually the dedra worlds in Oblivion were more different between each other than each and every damn starbase in Mass Effect, that shared exactly the same layout short of some crates.
Mass Effect is the prime example of utter recycling in the world of gaming.

The only reason DAO takes longer, or BG2 for that matter, is not the amount of "plot" but the length of combat and dugeons. There is nothing in ME that is the pure dungeon crawling length of the Deep Roads or Underdark. The thing is all that stuff you slog through isn't plot. The shorter dungeons are made even shorter by the fact that combat in ME is aso much faster than in DAO or BG2. I'd guess that DAO has more dialoig than ME which has more than BG2.

Yes the dedra worlds had a different map layout (not by much) but if the issue is depth and plot those minor difference don't change that the owers were a different map with the same funtion. Just like the blizzard of caves were just pointless recycled caves with nothing happening in them.

[Sidney]

josh42426 wrote...

I never liked oblivion but yes, it does have much more content. I'm not the only one who thinks so either. How enjoyable that content is does not matter, it is superior to ME ten times over.

I did not post to praise DAO and I am aware it is also quite short (sticking to traditional bioware length). The point I was trying to make is that clearly DAO>ME in terms of storytelling so therefore is the better game unless you like shooters. Even if there was a good amount of depth and scope in ME it still can not stand up to pure rpgs. Its a pathetic excuse for one and plays more like uncharted 2 than anything else. So compared to games in general then yes. Mass effect does have quite alot of depth. But it was and always will be a hybrid. In fact, thats the only reason the second is so anticipated, after being enticed with a badass sci fi action flick with guns it made people try it. What do you know? they liked. Certainly if it had been baldurs gate 3 people would take one look at the boxart and ignore it. 

Oblivion has more content, fair enough it doesn't have as much plot, does that word work better for you? Not to mention there's no "role to play" in Oblivion so if you want to be all about "role playing" and not just inventory management and leveling it is a near total flop.

Again, you have some lame hangup about "shooters" that blinds you . You worship at the altar of BG2 but strip it of the long dungeon crawling and just go to actual plot points and it isn't any more than ME and I'll even try and ignore that the Sorry, you've mentally added a ton of stuff that doesn't exist. What makes it seem longer, per your side quest comment, is that BG2 makes you do all the side quests to get the money to access Imeon in Spellhold.

Plus, again, in terms of role playing you get a lot more interesting and meaningful opportunities to play a role in ME than in BG2.

[Darkaine2]

Personally I haven't found much of a reason to talk to any of my crew in mass effect unlike da where I look forward to any conversations that I can have. I don't really think any of the characters in either game are really unique or anything but for me I enjoy the cut scenes and dialog much more in da. That isn't to say I don't like me because I do and can't wait for tuesday, but if I had to choose one or the other Dragon Age wins by a landslide.



Really when it comes down to choosing between any game most of it is subjective and when it's 2 solid games like ME and DA there isn't a right or wrong answer it's just a matter of which you connected with more.

[Dragon Age1103]

Does anyone know how much they changed ME's combat system for the second game? Also is there melee?(aside from with your weapon at close range)

[Sidney]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

Does anyone know how much they changed ME's combat system for the second game? Also is there melee?(aside from with your weapon at close range)

They've basically gutted the RP part of combat. Your skills determine what guns and (oddly) ammo you can use but Shep's skill with a gun is whatever skill you have to aim and fire as opposed to the first one where you characters' skill with a weapon helped his hit rate.

The trailers show close combat but I don't know if there really is any in there.

[Dragon Age1103]

Sidney wrote...

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

Does anyone know how much they changed ME's combat system for the second game? Also is there melee?(aside from with your weapon at close range)

They've basically gutted the RP part of combat. Your skills determine what guns and (oddly) ammo you can use but Shep's skill with a gun is whatever skill you have to aim and fire as opposed to the first one where you characters' skill with a weapon helped his hit rate.

The trailers show close combat but I don't know if there really is any in there.

  Well thanks for the response. I've been wanting to like it since I own the 360 & PC version of ME but I just don't find the game fun at all. They had something going with the few tweaks they made to the PC version but I was hoping ME2 has some more drastic changes so the combat isn't so bland & you get a sense of accomplishment like you do in DA:O! I heard it was rumored you can fight with your firsts with a new race or class? That would pull me in a lot more than the guns, I'm a shooter fa but ME just doesn't make me feel like I'm shooting a gun
    I don't mean to bash anyones favorite B game. I just really want to get into it b/c the characters are great & the story was brilliant in ME just couldn't get past the gameplay.

[Mistwaver]

It all depends on what you're looking for in a game. They both have pros and cons. Overall, I give my vote to Dragon Age, though.

[ericsa]

I never finished playing ME2 but this I've played 4 times over. There you have it.

[InvaderErl]

^^^ That's not so special. I haven't finished Mass Effect 2 either.

[Darth Obvious]

Abriael_CG wrote...

Ash is not a smart ass. Bottomline, she is the farthest character i can remember from the definition of "smart".  They TRIED (code word, tried, because they didn't manage) to depict her as a fiery and assertive woman, but ended up going way overboard, turning her into a borderline psychopathic barking dog.

No, not really. I think you are looking way too much into this. Ashley had quite a few smart-ass lines, and I kinda liked it.

And you really think it is mysterious that someone might connect better with ME? I have news for you pal, LOTS of people connected better with ME. To act like that's a mystery is utterly absurd.

Lots of people connect with World of Warcraft, that doesn't make it less crap.

Oh, well thanks for clearing that up. <_<

Mass Effect is quite a bit like Oblivion (not THAT bad mind you, but much more similar to Oblivion than to Dragon Age). Lots of extremely repeatitive side quests, and a main story that spans at most 10 hours, to be generous. 10 hours that doesn't really reach THAT much depth.

Yeah, and Dragon Age has a ton of repetition too, whether you can admit it or not. I certainly can, because even when I like a game I can still assess it critically. Yes, DA has more overall dialogue lines than its Bioware predecessors (ME, JE, KotOR), but it also has a lot more mandatory room-after-room-after-room-after-room.... That's a valid criticism, and I think most people looking at the game honestly would agree. It's optional side-quests were perhaps not quite as redundant as ME, but they weren't all that different, either.

And the fact is that ME and DA are much more alike than they are different. DA traces its pedigree through various Bioware titles, and some parts are more like KotOR, while others are more like JE, and still others are more like ME. It's NOT like comparing apples to oranges, after all, since they are all Bioware games. It's more like comparing red apples to green apples.

And all this talk about "true" RPGs is kinda silly, IMO. No video game is as true an RPG as a fully open-ended pen-and-paper RPG (various ones of which I've been playing for 20 years). Whether you are talking about ME or DA:O or Oblivion, they are all still video games, and video games have limitations.

But, ME and DA are both great games, and I can still enjoy them even with their obvious faults.

[Forest03]

Yeah, no point dragging this out. Let's face it, regardless of gametime invested, the majority of people will always prefer or feel more emotionally involved in one game over the other - even if they profess to 'loving' both games.

Why? Because there will always be a rift, no matter how thin or small, between one's affinities for science fiction and those for medieval fantasy. In the same way, this same divide separates the hardcore fans of ME and DAO. So, unless you're completely obsessed with both genres or are simply a Bioware fanatic and you simply -must- have all their games, you're likely to skip out on one sequel if you had to make a choice between ME2 or DAO2 - the latter being merely an example.

In terms of gameplay, interface, and story line, respectively, I found both games to be challenging, adequate, and quite compelling. My preference is, was, and always will be fantasy. I played Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, and Neverwinter Nights, and just about every similar game in between. So, yes, I like DAO far more; but that doesn't make ME any less of a game in my view.

It makes no sense at all to say one game's action, combat, gameplay, or interface was better than the other. WTF? Can you imagine yourself playing DAO with the UI and inventory screen designed for ME? Would you like to drive a tank while dodging incoming fire and run over archers in DAO? (Well, actually, riding a bronto and stomping archers would be a lot of fun, but nevermind that for now! ) Arguing over such things is utterly ridiculous. This is a case where what works for one game doesn't work for the other. As far as action is concerned, if someone gets more excitement out of laser fire, rovers, turrets, and exploding robots, then so be it. I'll stick with my tempests, fireballs, glyphs, and medieval weaponry.

Now, as for immersion, story line, and character design. If you've read my first and second paragraphs and still think one was way better than the other, well, read the first and second paragraph again. The only point to which I will agree is that the flow of ME's story, the decision-making, and the dialogue choices are far more restrictive. However, keep in mind, it was *designed* to be that way. Paragon or Renegade. Take one or the other. There is very little gray area.

And just in case some people still haven't noticed... These games are completely different genres!

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Modifié par Forest03, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:59 .

[HardestWorker]

I played both games and I really liked it.  I loved the Mako battle scenes, but driving around exploring the planet was boring.  All the Spacejumps on the thing that slings you got old real quick.  Overall my only complaint, is Sheperds voice acting.  I don't look forward to hearing his same old, Robotic like voice in Mass Effect 2.  Am I the only one who thinks his voice is so dull and boring?

Example:
Show me what you have.
Okay patch them in Joker.

Nevermind, I can't go on anymore about that.

Overall thats really it, I really love both games and can't wait for Me2 and DAA.

[squid5580]

ME is way better. They took great strides forward with the character interaction that were really immersive. DA:O took steps back in that regard. When you tell someone to suck it in ME they react to it. Your character takes the basic response and gives a spin on the feling. With DA:O you tell someone to suck it and they give you the same line if you were nice. Or if you use persuasion skills it ends it right there.



Not only that I wanted to play through ME over and over. DA:O I am struggling to see it through a second time.

[Forest03]

@ HardestWorker : Yeah, the male voice was a little bland. I also played a female Shepard, but at least her voice acting was okay. Can't go wrong with Seth Green's voice acting though, always spot-on and never over the top.



Aren't they changing much of the voice cast though? I could have sworn the voice for Shepard, and particularly Liara, sounded different in some of the previews compared to the original game. Wait, now that I think about it, I don't remember him speaking in the previews, only Liara. I might have been half asleep, or hallucinating, or both o_o

[Darth Obvious]

Forest03 wrote...

@ HardestWorker : Yeah, the male voice was a little bland. I also played a female Shepard, but at least her voice acting was okay. Can't go wrong with Seth Green's voice acting though, always spot-on and never over the top.

Agreed.

Oz.. err, I mean Seth is always great.

I preferred the femShep, especially as a renegade. The delivery was better than the male Shepard, IMO, and she had some quite funny lines.

And the hand gesture that accompanies the "big stupid jellyfish" line is priceless. 

[SentinelBorg]

Imho KoToR beats them both. It just had the best story, where being a bad guy (or girl) really meant something. In ME and DAO the whole "being a bad ass" part just feels not right in a lot of ways, because in the end you are still the big hero who saved the world. KoToR 2 could probably had been even better, if they would have released it in a completed and finished state.



But in the end, all of those games are great and worth it.

[Ladybright]

SentinelBorg wrote...

 KoToR 2 could probably had been even better, if they would have released it in a completed and finished state.

This is where The Sith Lords Restored Content Modification comes in.

And yeah, I think I actually had the best experience playing the KotORs. After that is DA:O, though.

[Atranes]

I like the ME characters but can't stand the Mako. Ugg. While waiting for RTO, and in anticipation of getting my ME2 preorder, I'm replaying ME. Like it, but dear heavens do I hate that Mako. If I hadn't read about the performance increases in ME2 I might not have ordered it. But I'm looking forward to the improvements to the system. Especially for the Infiltrator.

[Foreman20]

DA:O is more of a RPG to me. Mass Effect is a TPS with some RPG elements. Mass Effect's combat is too restrictive as it's 99% range attacks. The characters (party members) cannot be engaged in conversations outside the Normandy. The party members also have less specific dialogue than the DA:O characters do. Play through Mass Effect with just Liria and Ashley then play through with just Wrex and Garrus. Guess what, in many spots in the game ALL four characters repeat the same exact dialogue. You don't fine that in DA:O. Morrigan will never say what Sten says etc...So basically IMO if you enjoy deeper RPGs DA:O is the better game. If you enjoy run and gun spray and pray TPS then Mass Effect is probably your choice.

[JrayM16]

They're very different games, completely different at this point. On the basis of pure enjoyment I get more out of ME but DA:O provides an immensely satisfying experience of the kind I cant get anywhere else these days.

[rhetthom]

Personally I liked DA:O better than Mass Effect



I love the Mass Effect universe and will definitely be playing ME2, but DA:O for some reason appeals to me more