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[Ausstig]

 For all that people complain about the
mages  in DA2 were made to ‘look bad’ by being insane, they never got
compared (very unsubtly) to ****s (tranquil solution really?) and the end
choice did not involve the implied massacre of people. And now in the text
write up for DA: I

See here

http://www.dragonage.com/

It says “Mages have broken into an all-out
war against the oppressive Templars.”

 

Not power hungry mages or noble Templars, no it’s the ‘oppressive Templars’.
The mages are fighting for ‘freedom’ (as nebulous as that concept is) people
will side with them any way particularly against a group with a strong religious
underpinning and one called ‘Templars’ (thank you AC for further running that
name).

 

So why oh why do you feel the need to make them even worse? 

edit better?

Modifié par Ausstig, 12 juin 2013 - 12:21 .

[Androme]

what

edit: Ah okay I get it now.

I doubt the marketing team (that wrote that text) is much into the lore.

Modifié par Androme, 12 juin 2013 - 12:23 .

[Knight of Dane]

O_o

[FaWa]

Now this is a thread I understand

[archangel1996]

Ah, you mean aAONFWAENU'BWgu9ngaENR N right?

Modifié par archangel1996, 12 juin 2013 - 12:21 .

[Ausstig]

yeah any way I edited it (internet went weird)

[JerZey CJ]

Templars had their "look good" time in DA2 when every other mage was a baby eating blood mage abomination. Besides they are oppressive.

[archangel1996]

I think you watched Da Vinci's Code, for the templar defensor thing i mean

[Ausstig]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Templars had their "look good" time in DA2 when every other mage was a baby eating blood mage abomination. Besides they are oppressive.

I adress this in the op.

Again: The Templars were compared to ****'s (tranquil solution) and siding with them ment attacking people unlike the mage choice which was defending people. Defending is usuly seen as more moral then attacking.

[Conduit0]

Because the Templar's ARE oppressive, circles are prisons for people who commit the heinous crime of being born a mage, and the Templars are the wardens of those prisons.

It doesn't matter which side of the mage/templar argument you fall on, theres no denying that Templars oppress mages.

[ashesandwine]

You must be naive if you think that templars are NEVER oppressive. Yes, there are bad apples in both factions, mages and templars alike. The best solution is for Bioware to use more neutral descriptions? ;D

[Xilizhra]

Truth hurts, don't it?

[GodWood]

Conduit0 wrote...

Because the Templar's ARE oppressive, circles are prisons for people who commit the heinous crime of being born a mage, and the Templars are the wardens of those prisons.

It doesn't matter which side of the mage/templar argument you fall on, theres no denying that Templars oppress mages.

False.

For something to be 'oppressive' it has to be 'unjust'. Whether the circle system is unjust is very debatable.

Modifié par GodWood, 12 juin 2013 - 01:15 .

[Xilizhra]

GodWood wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Because the Templar's ARE oppressive, circles are prisons for people who commit the heinous crime of being born a mage, and the Templars are the wardens of those prisons.

It doesn't matter which side of the mage/templar argument you fall on, theres no denying that Templars oppress mages.

False.

For something to be 'oppressive' it has to be 'unjust'. Whether the circle system is unjust is very debatable.

It would seem, not anymore.

[addiction21]

GodWood wrote...

 Whether the circle system is unjust is very debatable.

The idea of the circles I do not find unjust. If a single child totally ignorant of his potential can torment Redcliff to the point only our super hero warden is the only one that can break it shows that mages do need to be watched and trained.

The abuses that happen inside the circle are not just and cause as many if not more problems then they solve.

And no BIoWare has not "demonized" mages.

[BlueMagitek]

Funny you say that, because I see plenty of mages getting demon-ized.

Oh ho ho ho~!

[GodWood]

Xilizhra wrote...
It would seem, not anymore.

Why?

[Karlone123]

JerZeyCJ2 wrote...

Templars had their "look good" time in DA2 when every other mage was a baby eating blood mage abomination. Besides they are oppressive.

Funny enough, there were never any Templars around when a Mage would do something insane for the pleasure of it. They mostly appeared when a Mage was scared and desperate.

[Dio Demon]

Perception is a funny thing isn't it, just because you see the templars as saints doesn't meant other people will see them as devils and still be as right as you.

[Vit246]

Well, I would argue that mages were more noticeably demonized to a most ridiculous extent in DA2. Mind you, there is at least a grain of truth to the oppression. And while templars are probably demonized as well, hardly anyone seriously addresses the not-so-subtle Tranquil Solution (really lazy of Bioware) and the rapes and tortures and summary Tranquilities because as the player you never actually observe them, while the demonized mages are thrown in your face all the time as if every mage exists solely to be an enemy to all living things.

Modifié par Vit246, 12 juin 2013 - 04:33 .

[Thetford]

"biowear"? So aside from games, comics, films and books, they are going to venture in the fashion industry as well? (Sorry, could not resist).

I think Tevinter is supposed to represent the reverse morality/ethics/public opinion of the Circle/Chantry system. Many in the game seem to have a preoccupation with the fear of being turned into toads for example, that fear amongst the public can be reinforced amongst individuals when they become a Templar administrated by the anti mage Chantry.

Plus, throughout the DA series, every single faction bar none are painted as absolute monsters, morons and miscreants.

[Conduit0]

GodWood wrote...

Conduit0 wrote...

Because the Templar's ARE oppressive, circles are prisons for people who commit the heinous crime of being born a mage, and the Templars are the wardens of those prisons.

It doesn't matter which side of the mage/templar argument you fall on, theres no denying that Templars oppress mages.

False.

For something to be 'oppressive' it has to be 'unjust'. Whether the circle system is unjust is very debatable.

Its not debatable at all, people are punished for simply being born a mage, there is no justice in preemptively punishing an otherwise innocent person because they might do something bad in the future.

Modifié par Conduit0, 12 juin 2013 - 02:14 .

[Drasanil]

Its not debatable at all, people are punished for simply being born a mage, there is no justice in preemptively punishing an otherwise innocent person because they might do something bad in the future.

Except it's not, most people support gun control, why shouldn't they also support mage control? Mages are infinitly more dnagerous than any gun. 

Modifié par Drasanil, 12 juin 2013 - 02:17 .

[NoForgiveness]

sigh...oppressive is objective... the Templars do lock mages up, and beat them sometimes, rape, tranquility its all there. And the mages are fighting for their freedom. whether for the right or wrong reasons, it is freedom.

[Dave of Canada]

GodWood wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
It would seem, not anymore.

Why?

It's no longer debatable because the Circle is totally justified, demons are rampaging across the world.