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[Il Divo]

Qistina wrote...

Il Divo wrote...
Weren't there like fifty dudes with Revan styles masks? And that was not Malak, that was Darth Malgus. Malak's dead.

I think we talk about different trailer here....

I can assure you, we're not.



1:51.

You mentioned the storming of the Jedi Temple by ramming a space ship. That's it.

Modifié par Il Divo, 12 juin 2013 - 05:39 .

[Allan Schumacher]

I can guarantee that there was no sign of Darth Malak or Darth Revan in any of the SWTOR trailers. But I think this digresses somewhat from the point of this thread.

[Reznore57]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Eh, it hasn't "supposed to be released" this year, for us, for a little while now. There's complications as being a part of a publicly traded company to announce changes in release dates. If I make an off the cuff remark about the release date being moved back on BSN, there's actually a degree of personal risk I take because organizations are very careful about making sure information is appropriately disseminated in a fair and proper channel. So it's not like we woke up on June 1st and went "sweet, date pushed back!"

We could have shown some gameplay, but it's undoubtedly going to continue to change, but at this point it's also marketing. The teaser is just a teaser as the start of generating some buzz beyond places like BSN.

Can we use l a special code , like some smilies in a special order that means "I'm not really telling the truth guys , the Marketing people are watching?"

Though I think David Gaider may have tried to send us some subliminal messages a couple of weeks ago.
Like "don't get too excited about the release date , people!"

[Boycott Bioware]

Il Divo wrote...
I can assure you, we're not.



1:51.

You mentioned the storming of the Jedi Temple by ramming a space ship. That's it.

It is deceiving then...

I watch that trailer long ago and hope it is about Revan in SWTOR...who the **** is Darth Malgus?

I don't play SWTOR, i just following the story from the one who play, when i know it is not about Revan and seeing the game-play, i just lost interest, furthermore, i hate MMO

[ianvillan]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It is all EA. Same marketing people. All those games (except Mirror with unknown date) will be released in 2014. All are first trailers. he only game that was actually supposed to be released in 2013 shows less actual game stuff then the others.
Sure, nothing confusing with that.

Eh, it hasn't "supposed to be released" this year, for us, for a little while now. There's complications as being a part of a publicly traded company to announce changes in release dates. If I make an off the cuff remark about the release date being moved back on BSN, there's actually a degree of personal risk I take because organizations are very careful about making sure information is appropriately disseminated in a fair and proper channel. So it's not like we woke up on June 1st and went "sweet, date pushed back!"

We could have shown some gameplay, but it's undoubtedly going to continue to change, but at this point it's also marketing. The teaser is just a teaser as the start of generating some buzz beyond places like BSN.

You cant show gameplay in case it might change but why are you able to show a trailer that has features that might also change.

Is Morrigans, Varics and Cassandras 100% staying the same, if the answer is no why cant details about Gameplay features which a lot of fans have been asking for also be revealed.
 
Bioware say that there previous marketing was not up to standard and that they are going to be more open and make sure that when they reveal anything it will not leave us with questions and that it will be a show don't tell. Yet the first thing you release if a flashy trailer which is just like the way DA2 was marketed.

I am now wondering how long will it be till we get the catchphrase for DAI.

[Nerevar-as]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I can guarantee that there was no sign of Darth Malak or Darth Revan in any of the SWTOR trailers. But I think this digresses somewhat from the point of this thread.

I guess s/he mixed with some of the Sith look-alikes.

Please, don´t do anything similar to the Warden and even Hawke to what you did with Revan and Exile.

[Il Divo]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I can guarantee that there was no sign of Darth Malak or Darth Revan in any of the SWTOR trailers. But I think this digresses somewhat from the point of this thread.

I guess s/he mixed with some of the Sith look-alikes.

Please, don´t do anything similar to the Warden and even Hawke to what you did with Revan and Exile.

Absolutely this.

[Shevy]

ianvillan wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

It is all EA. Same marketing people. All those games (except Mirror with unknown date) will be released in 2014. All are first trailers. he only game that was actually supposed to be released in 2013 shows less actual game stuff then the others.
Sure, nothing confusing with that.

Eh, it hasn't "supposed to be released" this year, for us, for a little while now. There's complications as being a part of a publicly traded company to announce changes in release dates. If I make an off the cuff remark about the release date being moved back on BSN, there's actually a degree of personal risk I take because organizations are very careful about making sure information is appropriately disseminated in a fair and proper channel. So it's not like we woke up on June 1st and went "sweet, date pushed back!"

We could have shown some gameplay, but it's undoubtedly going to continue to change, but at this point it's also marketing. The teaser is just a teaser as the start of generating some buzz beyond places like BSN.

You cant show gameplay in case it might change but why are you able to show a trailer that has features that might also change.

Is Morrigans, Varics and Cassandras 100% staying the same, if the answer is no why cant details about Gameplay features which a lot of fans have been asking for also be revealed.
 
Bioware say that there previous marketing was not up to standard and that they are going to be more open and make sure that when they reveal anything it will not leave us with questions and that it will be a show don't tell. Yet the first thing you release if a flashy trailer which is just like the way DA2 was marketed.

I am now wondering how long will it be till we get the catchphrase for DAI.

I think it's more a thing of marketing and how to advertise the game. With the release target being away over a year a simple teaser to start generating some attention is the way to go. Imagine they would have showed gameplay, people would expect that new bits of info would be released regurlarly and faster than without gameplay.

So you would have to keep people interested with gameplay trailers for over a year, even ramping the interest up at the endwhen you nearly showed half of the game? Also, the more you have to show the more people will see what possibly will change and you have another outcry.

While I'm disappointed too that the reveal wasn't "leaving no room for questions", I can understand why they did it.

[ianvillan]

Shevy_001 wrote...


I think it's more a thing of marketing and how to advertise the game. With the release target being away over a year a simple teaser to start generating some attention is the way to go. Imagine they would have showed gameplay, people would expect that new bits of info would be released regurlarly and faster than without gameplay.

So you would have to keep people interested with gameplay trailers for over a year, even ramping the interest up at the endwhen you nearly showed half of the game? Also, the more you have to show the more people will see what possibly will change and you have another outcry.

While I'm disappointed too that the reveal wasn't "leaving no room for questions", I can understand why they did it.

I know what you mean it is just that after Bioware has constantly said we cant answer your questions about the game because things might change (but still release details about companion armour that could still change), They then go on about waiting till info is released because it will have answer in it and that it will show not tell. We get a trailer that might not be representative of the game and told that they will release more information later because we still have a year to go.

If we still have a year to go and most game features are not decided yet then they should of waited till next year till release anything about the game because then it might be finalised.

[Shevy]

ianvillan wrote...

Shevy_001 wrote...


I think it's more a thing of marketing and how to advertise the game. With the release target being away over a year a simple teaser to start generating some attention is the way to go. Imagine they would have showed gameplay, people would expect that new bits of info would be released regurlarly and faster than without gameplay.

So you would have to keep people interested with gameplay trailers for over a year, even ramping the interest up at the endwhen you nearly showed half of the game? Also, the more you have to show the more people will see what possibly will change and you have another outcry.

While I'm disappointed too that the reveal wasn't "leaving no room for questions", I can understand why they did it.

I know what you mean it is just that after Bioware has constantly said we cant answer your questions about the game because things might change (but still release details about companion armour that could still change), They then go on about waiting till info is released because it will have answer in it and that it will show not tell. We get a trailer that might not be representative of the game and told that they will release more information later because we still have a year to go.

If we still have a year to go and most game features are not decided yet then they should of waited till next year till release anything about the game because then it might be finalised.

Yep, it would have been the better strategy to release nothing and start the full reveal at the start of 2014 (imo), but I think they wanted to show a living sign so to speak. Imagine the apocalypse here on BSN if they had decided to show nothing.

[addiction21]

And if they did nothing this year you would be berating them for that.

[Shevy]

If they had stated that they pushed back the release target, I wouldn't do this actually.

[IceHawk-181]

Sparse wrote...

Everyone does it now, look at the Thief 4 stuff - that has all been (rather boring) cinematics.

I guess from a marketing point of view you want to try and build some excitement before you give away too many details.

I wanted to highlight this particular response; Thief had a playable demo at E3.
 
It actually looks quite good for a stranger masquerading in the cloak of one of my favorite franchises of all time...
 
The Witcher 3, also slated for a 2014 release, had multiple in-game (action and non-action) scenes.
 
And Dragon Age 3, did not.
 
And DAIII is also seeing its development time increased...by a full year.
 
Obviously, everything is going according to plan.

[ianvillan]

addiction21 wrote...

And if they did nothing this year you would be berating them for that.

I have complained when they say that they cant answer our questions about the game because things might change and that they want to show not tell. Yet Bioware will tell us something that might be in the game  but could change and they give no details about it.

If you say you cant speak about the game then don't, but releasing a possible companion armour system that I had no problem with and think can work quite well to get the best of both worlds that Bioware is looking for is defeating the purpose. It is then saying that you can talk about the game but the fans questions that could make up there minds if the game is a mix of both or just DA2.2 don't matter.

 

[JoltDealer]

It's coming out Fall 2014 as was said during the EA press conference. I suspect you're misinformed, unless you're a time traveler.  Also bear in mind, the arrival of next-gen consoles will have a lot of games being delayed as developers must now decide if they want to release on the PS4 or Xbox One.

Modifié par Crimson Sound, 12 juin 2013 - 06:51 .

[HSomCokeSniper]

Allan Schumacher wrote...


We could have shown some gameplay, but it's undoubtedly going to continue to change, but at this point it's also marketing. The teaser is just a teaser as the start of generating some buzz beyond places like BSN.

Beyond BSN? What sorcery is this

[PinkShoes]

Honestly im not too fussed there wasnt game play atm. The game wont be out for awhile so bioware take your time and show us when its polished.

I didnt like da2 but i know you guys can make a brilliant game, i wouldnt be here if that wasnt true.

[Demx]

Tupexi wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...


We could have shown some gameplay, but it's undoubtedly going to continue to change, but at this point it's also marketing. The teaser is just a teaser as the start of generating some buzz beyond places like BSN.

Beyond BSN? What sorcery is this

I guess saying DA3 is coming soon to distract people because the doctors were leaving was just meant for the BSN to get buzzed. Even though every major online gaming review company posted an article about a new DA3 game.

[Vilegrim]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I can guarantee that there was no sign of Darth Malak or Darth Revan in any of the SWTOR trailers. But I think this digresses somewhat from the point of this thread.

yes their was... Revan was 'revealed' at PAX east in 2010. 

Which was over a year before launch.

It was a teaser in that it wasn't a walking talking ass kicking Revan (And oh boy had he been filled with suck when he did finally turn up in game) but HK-47 was their in glorious technicolour, as was Revan's base, and a flat out stated rebirth for Revan.

Modifié par Vilegrim, 12 juin 2013 - 07:03 .

[The Spirit of Dance]

Well if we have to wait until the fall of next year I'm fine not seeing any gameplay. If I did see some gameplay I'd get hyped and by the time the game finally came out all of my hype would disappear and I'd be like meh.

I'm satisfied with seeing a planned release date and knowing that Varric and Morrigan will be in the game.

EDIT: Plus the gameplay probably needs some polishing before it's presentable.

Modifié par supremebloodwolf, 12 juin 2013 - 07:12 .

[neonmoth]

I guess they needed to show something and they chose graphics since they largely will stay the same (even though individual characters might change). I'm more curious about the protagonist and the plot than gameplay at this point. There is still 1-1.5 year until release, they need to pace the reveal.

[aries1001]

So the point of this trailer (the one revealed at E3) was to show us, the fans, what the engine, Frostbite, could do? e.g. it was meant as a demonstration of what the Frostbite engine was capable of doing?

Which means this:
We will probably not see Varric standing over a dead body in the game....We will probably not see a Qunari turning in the game...

All this was just done in-engine, in the Frostbite engine, to show us what we could expect from the engine once the game is released...

[Boycott Bioware]

Considering Revan turn out to be not Revan and Darth Malak turn out to be Darth Malgus in SWTOR trailer...I am not surprise if Varric turn out to be Sandal and Cassandra turn out to be someone else in DA:I trailer....lol

[Allan Schumacher]

ianvillan wrote...

You cant show gameplay in case it might change but why are you able to show a trailer that has features that might also change.

Is Morrigans, Varics and Cassandras 100% staying the same, if the answer is no why cant details about Gameplay features which a lot of fans have been asking for also be revealed.

Because people will be as pedantic as you're being right now.  Look what you're doing, you're skraking me over minutae.  The trailer's intent was to generate buzz and establish (both to ourselves as well as to the public) our visual target.

Face it, people are already going over frame by frame analysis of the trailer.  You're not being asked to buy the game today specifically.  With something simple and, in my opinion, less important such as Morrigan's lip synch.  It's also, quite frankly, easier to control.  Our game isn't done.  There's still a lot of unimplemented features, and even bugs.  Are you going to be happy if our gameplay demo shows a skill that ends up having some clipping through geometry?  Should we spend more time doing video capture of the perfect gameplay demo to avoid said bugs, rather than working on improving said features?

I expect significantly less changes to Morrigan and Varric than a lot of gameplay systems, which just found themselves with an extra year of development time and the ability to consider what levels of changes and polish can now be done that weren't as possible.  It's even possible we add things that were never intended to be a part of the game had it been released this year.

Bioware say that there previous marketing was not up to standard and that they are going to be more open and make sure that when they reveal anything it will not leave us with questions and that it will be a show don't tell. Yet the first thing you release if a flashy trailer which is just like the way DA2 was marketed.

Plans change? E xhibit A: release date.  Further, we did show, not tell.  We showed our visual target.  Now if your imagination told you you were promised something different, then take that as feedback and adjust your expectations.  If we were planning on releasing this year still, there's greater impetus on us showing more.

Or would you rather we show everything about the game today, leaving us, well, nothing except iterative improvements and hope that the excitement stays at a high for the next 15-18 months?

In any case, noted.  I'll advise that we delay releasing more information sooner rather than later.

[Allan Schumacher]

yes their was... Revan was 'revealed' at PAX east in 2010.

Which was over a year before launch.

It was a teaser in that it wasn't a walking talking ass kicking Revan (And oh boy had he been filled with suck when he did finally turn up in game) but HK-47 was their in glorious technicolour, as was Revan's base, and a flat out stated rebirth for Revan.

You're right, my bad. Although, pedantic again.... I suppose the opportunity to illustrate that I was wrong. I apologize, I was referring to the Blur trailers, since that's the context that the other person was talking about (specifically the Deception trailer), but I can understand that your need to correct me overstates the (directly quoted) hint that this discussion about SWTOR should stop. Noted, however, that I should be more diligent in the things that I say.

I guess saying DA3 is coming soon to distract people because the doctors were leaving was just meant for the BSN to get buzzed. Even though every major online gaming review company posted an article about a new DA3 game.

Speaking of being pedantic.... I'm taking a break after this.

No, announcing DA3 back in the time was not just to get the BSN buzzed, it was done because the Doctor's were retiring and people were going to have a lot of questions and concerns about the state of BioWare studios as an entity.  Part of the initial announcement was to soften the blow of this transition.

Since then (because that happened in September last year), I'm of the opinion that the majority of the discussion about the game (which until now had shown only the odd concept art) occurs on the BSN. If you think that the game has remained prominent in the discussion of gaming topics throughout other areas of the internet, then I guess we disagree on that point. It certainly validates a snide, immature, passive aggressive response though.  Did you feel slighted that I felt that the BSN was where most discussion of the game had been occurring?

So now I feel angry and annoyed, which I think may have been the intent of some people. Possibly because I annoyed people by stating that the BSN is where discussion occurs. Thanks.


The way people behave in this very thread is why, at this time, we didn't show very much. On the one hand it's interesting that people are so intense about analyzing things to the extent that they do. On the other hand, in my opinion it serves as a reinforcement point that we shouldn't release any footage until it's 100% ready for primetime.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 12 juin 2013 - 07:48 .