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[Jonathan Seagull]

Fast Jimmy wrote...
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So if the BSN is the only one complaining to get a teaser trailer, then why give one? Is it because only the BSN is going to A) know that an in-depth first reveal was promised and/or that we'd also likely be the only ones to mention/complain about it?

Because publicly releasing a trailer is a way to get places other than the BSN to start talking about more about the game?

If so, I can understand that. But it is also a little confusing to see Bioware devs becoming agitated at fans who heard such promise about the reveal and then complain when the reveal was not what it was stated to be (even if that promise was a few months ago). I don't agree with being uncivil about making said points, as some here have been... but surely the sentiment of the reveal not being he reveal discussed crossed someone's mind before Monday?

I'm confused about these promises that you keep mentioning.  Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but they've said that they would reveal things when they could confidently show them rather than talk about them.  In my mind, the trailer showed quite a bit (relative to what we knew before).  It gave a pretty good look at the new engine, including the overall graphics quality and art style that we might expect.  It essentially confirmed several returning characters.  And it gave a vague idea of the plot.  I personally consider it significant and don't feel that they're somehow obligated to show more at this point.  I don't believe they ever "promised" that the initial reveal would be one thing or another, or that they would show everything at once.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 12 juin 2013 - 08:53 .

[Demx]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

I guess saying DA3 is coming soon to distract people because the doctors were leaving was just meant for the BSN to get buzzed. Even though every major online gaming review company posted an article about a new DA3 game.

Speaking of being pedantic.... I'm taking a break after this.

No, announcing DA3 back in the time was not just to get the BSN buzzed, it was done because the Doctor's were retiring and people were going to have a lot of questions and concerns about the state of BioWare studios as an entity.  Part of the initial announcement was to soften the blow of this transition.

Since then (because that happened in September last year), I'm of the opinion that the majority of the discussion about the game (which until now had shown only the odd concept art) occurs on the BSN. If you think that the game has remained prominent in the discussion of gaming topics throughout other areas of the internet, then I guess we disagree on that point. It certainly validates a snide, immature, passive aggressive response though.  Did you feel slighted that I felt that the BSN was where most discussion of the game had been occurring?

So now I feel angry and annoyed, which I think may have been the intent of some people. Possibly because I annoyed people by stating that the BSN is where discussion occurs. Thanks.


The way people behave in this very thread is why, at this time, we didn't show very much. On the one hand it's interesting that people are so intense about analyzing things to the extent that they do. On the other hand, in my opinion it serves as a reinforcement point that we shouldn't release any footage until it's 100% ready for primetime.

I am fully aware that announcing DA3 last year was to show that Bioware can still function the same way without the doctors. You stated that the trailer was simply to create buzz outside places like BSN. I replied with a sarcastic comment which was ment to be taken as that already happened when the doctors left. Now whether or not the hype/buzz has remained strong over time elsewhere was not the point of my post. My point was the buzz had already happened. The same can be said about this trailer if the PR doesn't follow it up in a timely fashion. I am also aware that a visual presentation creates a stronger hype/buzz then a public statement. But again the statement did create buzz outside dragon age fan circles.

Did I feel slighted that you felt that the BSN was where most discussion of the game had been occurring? No, I didn't since this is the only place where I discuss Dragon Age. Do you feel better that this is the only place where I discuss Dragon Age? (FYI This last statement is the snide, immature, passive aggressive response to your snide, immature, passive aggressive response.)

[neonmoth]

Honestly, people here are such a buzz killers. Why can't we be happy that we got something this year, even thought it is just a graphical teaser and a hope for more in the incoming months. Why so many feel entitled to demand more..? And please, do not pick on bioware employees, since I really like that they pop in here time to time and give us valuable insight.

[ZtalkerRM]

Guys...what did we want from DA:I?

-No rushed product (We got a year more production time)
-An open world with a significant conflict, more grandiose than the DA2 story (we got ourselves a war, and did I spot an Archdemon?)
-The return of loved characters (Morrigan, Varric)

I'm quite happy with this. I'm glad they learned from the DA2 and especially ME3 fiascos, especially the latter, where all sorts of promises were not kept. I feel good about this. Good job Bioware. And, I hate to say it, good job EA. Not rushing or hyping Battlefront 3 either.

[LinksOcarina]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Guys...what did we want from DA:I?

-No rushed product (We got a year more production time)
-An open world with a significant conflict, more grandiose than the DA2 story (we got ourselves a war, and did I spot an Archdemon?)
-The return of loved characters (Morrigan, Varric)

I'm quite happy with this. I'm glad they learned from the DA2 and especially ME3 fiascos, especially the latter, where all sorts of promises were not kept. I feel good about this. Good job Bioware. And, I hate to say it, good job EA. Not rushing or hyping Battlefront 3 either.

don't use we, use you.

[ZtalkerRM]

Allright, I guess you probably wanted an Anders only game, set in one town, with the main plot about buying him pink robes?

Sheesh...one trailer and a positive post and people are on the brink of breakdown

[Malanek]

neonmoth wrote...

Honestly, people here are such a buzz killers. Why can't we be happy that we got something this year, even thought it is just a graphical teaser and a hope for more in the incoming months. Why so many feel entitled to demand more..? And please, do not pick on bioware employees, since I really like that they pop in here time to time and give us valuable insight.

This. Do you guys value devs interaction here? Because if you do you should try to be polite. Even if you disagree with something and feel the need to put your point accross, do it in a polite manner. And don't hold them to ransom on something they, or even worse, someone else from Bioware, said in the past. Everything in development, especially in the early stages, is subject to change. Complaining like some of the people are in this thread will just lead to silence on their part.

[Il Divo]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Allright, I guess you probably wanted an Anders only game, set in one town, with the main plot about buying him pink robes?

Sheesh...one trailer and a positive post and people are on the brink of breakdown

I'd say yes to this, as long as it was DA: Awakening Anders, who was pretty hilarious.

[LandoCalrisian]

Making a trailer with actual gameplay over a year before release would require putting resources into making a bunch of stopgap assets that won't end up in the final game just to get something that runs and has all the required textures. I'd rather they spend the time just making the game itself and let some CGI people put together a bit of a tease to show the art direction and some basic plot elements.

It'll probably be at least 6 months before they even have an area's full environment assets and enough character models to realistically show gameplay...

[cjzeddy]

neonmoth wrote...

Honestly, people here are such a buzz killers. Why can't we be happy that we got something this year, even thought it is just a graphical teaser and a hope for more in the incoming months. Why so many feel entitled to demand more..? And please, do not pick on bioware employees, since I really like that they pop in here time to time and give us valuable insight.

I agree with you on this. I rarely post on this forum but I come here every day mainly to see if anyone from Bioware has posted something new somewhere. I enjoy reading their input, both big and small.
However I am starting to worry how much longer they will keep coming back to this forum and I will be able to read posts from them, considering how badly they seem to be treated by some people.

[wiccame]

It's sad...I am thinking how excited these guys must have been before e3, finally being able to show us something from DA3. How proud they must have been feeling, cause tbh I was very impressed, considering they are a year away at least from release, and to get that much, was a treat.
Then they come back here and get all this? It must be pretty deflating and disheartening.
be grateful we got something.

[Shasow]

ZtalkerRM wrote...

Allright, I guess you probably wanted an Anders only game, set in one town, with the main plot about buying him pink robes?

Dragon Age 2?

[Ridirkulous]

I was impressed as well though I haven't been following the development cycle as close as some others who I cannot speak for. If the trailer is anything to go one this game should look absolutely gorgeous. It's definitely a huge step up from it's predecessors and kudos to the team for making it happen.

Still, I wish they had mentioned how they would be handling combat as that was my one big issue with DA2. Bioware will most likely get to it in due time however. I still believe they can deliver the good stuff.

[DPSSOC]

The first teaser for ME2 didn't have gameplay, I wouldn't worry unless launch day hits and they haven't shown gameplay (I don't plan to preorder so you may want to start worrying sooner) because if that's the case they're probably pulling a final fantasy and won't have enough actual gameplay in the 40+ hour game to fill a 1 minute commercial.

[andar91]

wiccame wrote...

It's sad...I am thinking how excited these guys must have been before e3, finally being able to show us something from DA3. How proud they must have been feeling, cause tbh I was very impressed, considering they are a year away at least from release, and to get that much, was a treat.
Then they come back here and get all this? It must be pretty deflating and disheartening.
be grateful we got something.

I get where you're coming from, but I think they're pretty tough. I mean, yeah, seeing this kinda thing would suck. But there's pain a lot of praise, too. And it's not like they haven't seen this a million times before. This is pretty typical.

[unbentbuzzkill]

Simply put IMO they don't have squat to show gameplay wise and probably never did.

[neonmoth]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

Simply put IMO they don't have squat to show gameplay wise and probably never did.

May I just say how appropriate your nickname is?

Anyway, do you base your opinion on particular examples? Care to share?

[OdanUrr]

jstme wrote...

 TL:DR in title.

First, i am really really really really happy that DA:I got another year in development. And that it will be available for all the consoles. And that it will be much more open worldish then that Kirkwall jail. And the trailer was a good one. Varric looks better then in that other game that never happened anyway. 
I felt so much a happy camper that i actually considered to preorder despite my previous claims.

But something started to nag me - there is no actual gameplay shown and the game was supposed to be released in a few months. Surely ,most of the "old" DA3 content should be done by now,with dozens of hours of actual gameplay finished and ready to be shown.
The delay, according to all the info, is to increase the scope of the game. Larger areas ,more quests and stuff like that. Add awesomness to existing content.
And yet,despite all marketing logic , despite all the mentioning of cool new engine - all we are shown are nice cinematics and no actual game meat. Maybe i am missing something, but the only reasons for this that i can find are wearing tin foil hats.
Please tell me i am missing something. Pretty please? 

It's a teaser. It's more than we had previously at any rate.

[Paul E Dangerously]

I guess it's good that they've got until Fall 2014 to dribble us information about the game..but that's still well over a year away.

I was hoping to play a good (new) RPG this fall, but I suppose the extra development time will be worth it.

[unbentbuzzkill]

@neonmoth
I am what i am and that is all, and no i do not wish to elaborate it's merely my opinion.

[TheRealJayDee]

wiccame wrote...

It's sad...I am thinking how excited these guys must have been before e3, finally being able to show us something from DA3. How proud they must have been feeling, cause tbh I was very impressed, considering they are a year away at least from release, and to get that much, was a treat.
Then they come back here and get all this? It must be pretty deflating and disheartening.
be grateful we got something.

I actually do feel kinda bad because of not being able to show the level of excitement the folks at Bioware might have been hoping for. I don't want to be an ass and I want for them to feel good, especially guys like Allan, who I got to know as a really great person from the ME3 section. And yeah, what we got to see in the trailer was quite nice and promising!

I was really let down by DA2, and I didn't follow the development of DA3... pretty much at all. What little I did hear was a message of "we won't show you stuff until we can really show you stuff", and thus I decided to just wait until the time of the actual big reveal. I visited the DA3 boards probably twice before the E3 trailer. When I'd watched the trailer I thought "well, that sure looks nice, and good to see Varric and Morrigan again, but...". 

It was a nice presentation of the new graphics, with glimpses of recurring characters and hints of the coming story. It was a good teaser, but ultimately didn't show me anything I was really interested in and didn't fit the idea of a "we show you DA:I" reveal I'd got from what I'd heard prior. Of course anything they could have shown us gameplay wise would have been something of a snap-shot that far from release, but it would likely at least have given us a feeling about how things like combat are approached in this installment. 

"Be grateful we got something" is an opinion I'd probably agree with if I was already convinced about DA:I and just craved to see anything about it. But right now I still need to determine wether I'm going to be won over again by this installment of the franchise or not, and the teaser, although not bad for what it was, didn't shed anywhere near enough light on the (for me) crucial aspects of the game.

Then, when I came to the BSN, one of the first things I did was read through a thread about the new/old look of Morrigan. There I witnessed David Gaider firing a broadside of... not so friendly snark at people imo rather peacefully discussing the changes in her appearance, dropping words like "misogyny". That really rubbed me the wrong way for a variety of reasons, and immediately brought my initially rather positive attiude down.

All in all I'm probably a little oversensitive when it comes to any kind of Bioware PR and dev statements after everything ME3, and although I've always tried to be civil and reasonably fair in everything I write I probably just shouldn't comment on things here until there actually are infos about the game that are more relevant to me.

So, to wrap things up - I'm rather glad to hear about the later release date, taking their time with the game seems like the right move. Based on what I'd heard prior I didn't expect a gameplay-free teaser, thus my irritation. I think what we did see of the game so far looks pretty good and I hope everyone's hard work will pay off in the end!

See you for the next trailer!

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 13 juin 2013 - 01:38 .

[KR4U55]

What I get from this thread is that you guys broke mr. Schumacher because of less than 2 minutes of video. We've been told the stuff is in-engine, that's fine. We've also been told the studio has another year to work on the game and they decided to show us a mere flash of the game so we know things are, worst case scenario, not bad.

My only thought, it's a teaser, and an in-engine tease, that's awesome.

[Fast Jimmy]

Jonathan Seagull wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

If so, I can understand that. But it is also a little confusing to see Bioware devs becoming agitated at fans who heard such promise about the reveal and then complain when the reveal was not what it was stated to be (even if that promise was a few months ago). I don't agree with being uncivil about making said points, as some here have been... but surely the sentiment of the reveal not being he reveal discussed crossed someone's mind before Monday?

I'm confused about these promises that you keep mentioning.  Perhaps I'm forgetting something, but they've said that they would reveal things when they could confidently show them rather than talk about them.  In my mind, the trailer showed quite a bit (relative to what we knew before).  It gave a pretty good look at the new engine, including the overall graphics quality and art style that we might expect.  It essentially confirmed several returning characters.  And it gave a vague idea of the plot.  I personally consider it significant and don't feel that they're somehow obligated to show more at this point.  I don't believe they ever "promised" that the initial reveal would be one thing or another, or that they would show everything at once.

I'll post this here and then bow out of the conversation. 

http://social.biowar...2&lf=8#16080275

[neonmoth]

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

@neonmoth
I am what i am and that is all, and no i do not wish to elaborate it's merely my opinion.

I guess the snark was unnecessary, I apologize. Stil, I thought that your comment was quite unfair, hence the request.

[ev76]

The game is a year away, you only need to look at the past and what has transpired here on the bsn or talk of what has transpired to understand why no gameplay footage was shown.