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[Zulu_DFA]

DeathCultArm wrote...

InfiniteCuts wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

"It's time for Humanity to RISE UP and SEIZE ITS DESTINY!!!"

He always had it in him...

Even at a young age, he demaned respect. Look at the stern look.

He demanded ACTION!!!

2 InfiniteCuts, from under the chair: LOL, bro!

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 janvier 2010 - 07:06 .

[Stephenc13]

DaySeeker wrote...

Udina is only ever out for himself. The politics he plays are personal. He wants to rule all and will use whoever however to achieve this. He wants Shep and everyone else as pawns and is bootlicking and fawning when he isn't barking orders, ignoring valid input from those he considers his inferior, or just being a jerk.

THere may be another side to him, but I did not see it in any of my playthroughs.

I agree. Well, you know, it's kinda hard to believe someone about giant sentient machines going to end all life as you know it. But I think the council was stupid to not believe a recording salvaged from the geth, and it wasn't tampered with. Udina has a kind of a communist view of the government if you think about it..........(my style)

[MassEffect762]

LOL. This thread cracks me up.



Play whatever way suits you, I don't like Udina but I do love the option of him there, the whole "slippery" slope thing.



LET FREEDOM RING!

[ThisIsMadness91]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

No, a diplomatic, thoughtful politician who knows the ins and outs of galactic politics.

He didn't backstab anyone. It was the Citadel that gave you a direct order and you, as a specter, must obey that order. Udina is not going to create a galactic scandal by aiding a rogue specter. Aliens are already seeing humanity as a threat, what would they think if the human amabssador helps a Specter defy council orders?

How revealing it is that all Udina haters have 0 knowledge about politics and little logic to support their position.

I'll admit, I don't know much about politics, and I don't really care. Udina's decision to bow down to the Council almost got everyone killed. Not every political decision is a good one.

I prefer Anderson because he actually showed support for Shepard, and went out of his way to help him/her stop Saren for the greater good.

Also, unless I chose the wrong options, Udina never apologies (unless you tell him to shut up when you introduce Tali).

[Zulu_DFA]

ThisIsMadness91 wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

No, a diplomatic, thoughtful politician who knows the ins and outs of galactic politics.

He didn't backstab anyone. It was the Citadel that gave you a direct order and you, as a specter, must obey that order. Udina is not going to create a galactic scandal by aiding a rogue specter. Aliens are already seeing humanity as a threat, what would they think if the human amabssador helps a Specter defy council orders?

How revealing it is that all Udina haters have 0 knowledge about politics and little logic to support their position.

I'll admit, I don't know much about politics, and I don't really care. Udina's decision to bow down to the Council almost got everyone killed. Not every political decision is a good one.

I prefer Anderson because he actually showed support for Shepard, and went out of his way to help him/her stop Saren for the greater good.

Also, unless I chose the wrong options, Udina never apologies (unless you tell him to shut up when you introduce Tali).

Look, the decision not to let Shepard go to Ilos was taken by the Council long before the "backstabbing" meeting. The Council had already made up their alien minds. If Udina standed by Shepard, they would have most probably tod him to go to hell along with his jarhead spectre. And Normany would have been impounded instead of just being locked down in the Alliance dock. And Anderson would have had a no go with Udina's office at all.

[Wolverfrog]

He also has a brilliant ending speech.

[Marlina]

Yeah, Udina did what he had to, just like Anderson when he punched him out. I thought it was neat that Udina actually admitted that the punch was justified.

It's the renegade way: You do your job, whatever happens. Udina played his part, Anderson his, and Shepard played her part. The council played their part when they distracted the geth so the alliance fleet could get a shot at Sovereign.

[ResidentNoob]

Wolverfrog wrote...

He also has a brilliant ending speech.

Not to mention the most epic fist clench of all time...

[Arrtis]

i like him but hes never getting in the council on any of my characters except the renegade one.

[Zulu_DFA]

ResidentNoob wrote...

Wolverfrog wrote...

He also has a brilliant ending speech.

Not to mention the most epic fist clench of all time...

Yeah, Anderson is a little naive for politics, but he is a real BAMF, when it comes to accomplishing the mission! Personally I prefer his Zinedine Zidane style header with the turian guard at the docks, which results from "go for Citadel Control" choice, but trom the gameplay point of view I never saved it this way. "Go for Ambassador's computer" is more justified.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 janvier 2010 - 10:08 .

[Marlina]

Haha, right you are Zulu!

Also proves that turians aren't really as tough as they look. A well-placed headbutt brought that guy down fast.

[Arrtis]

i cant remember if you go paragon save the council and choose not to pick udina or ander

who gets chosen? i might be remembering it wrong but i remmeber saying something like i have better stuff to do the reapers are still out there and theres not time to waste.

[Gaddmeister]

I like Anderson, he is competent and he is a good guy. But when it comes to politics Udina is the man! I fully support him as a council member.

I didn't really have anything to add to this thread, just wanted to show my support.

Modifié par Gaddmeister, 17 janvier 2010 - 10:10 .

[ResidentNoob]

I like Anderson. But honestly, (having saved the Council) you know Udina's just going to do a better job at it. Anderson should get back with the fleet and become an Admiral, like we heard in the 'Tour of the Normandy' video. That's just his area of expertise.

Also, like I said earlier, Udina has the most epic fist clench OF ALL TIME!

(I just wish he didn't sound so constipated during the end speech.)

Modifié par ResidentNoob, 17 janvier 2010 - 10:20 .

[Arrtis]

if anything did changed no need to bring you back.

[Gaddmeister]

Terminator 800 wrote...

I dont like Udina and would never choose him. Apparently he doesnt help much if you kill the Council off and make him the Council head. As Jacob said, "nothing changed"

I've missed that video. But anyway, that's Jacob's opinion. I'd like to hear Udina's version as well.

[dissonance-zaon]

poisonoustea wrote...

I think it's because people would rather post disagreements than aggrements.

Have you seen the 1000+ pages-each Tali Romance threads?

Have you actually seen what's in a lot of those Talimance threads? Every few pages there's a Tali hater to create debate. I for one looked at this thread and not the other Udina thread purely out of interest of the argument.

On that note; I understood perfectly what Udina's position was. Doesn't mean I had to like him and doesn't mean I agree with him. For one, I thought he was too hot headed. Never thought he was incompetent though.

Look how calm and patient the Illusive Man is, that's how it's done.

Modifié par dissonance-zaon, 17 janvier 2010 - 11:08 .

[Arrtis]

Terminator 800 wrote...

Arrtis wrote...

if anything did changed no need to bring you back.

What?

hmm....well they would not need you if the council were gonna listen and help with the disappearing humans.So they bring you back because no one wants to do anything thats what i got from the story.

[Dzikv]

I wouldn't have anything against Udina in Mass Effect if he hadn't stabbed me in the back... I think he makes a good effort in human ( and his own) interest.



Still.. he backstabbed me... So Anderson was my choice. Too bad i couldn't headshot the bastard.

[Collider]

Udina wants to further human interests. Having Shepard, a human, potentially start a war in the terminus systems is not part of that. I would be skeptical of "visions" as well. You can't start a war over "visions."



If you concentrate on Sovereign and choose Udina, he doesn't make a racist speech, but talks about working with the other alien species to drive the reapers back into dark space.

[Frotality]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

No, a diplomatic, thoughtful politician who knows the ins and outs of galactic politics.

He didn't backstab anyone. It was the Citadel that gave you a direct order and you, as a specter, must obey that order. Udina is not going to create a galactic scandal by aiding a rogue specter. Aliens are already seeing humanity as a threat, what would they think if the human amabssador helps a Specter defy council orders?

How revealing it is that all Udina haters have 0 knowledge about politics and little logic to support their position.

im sorry, i didnt know you were an expert on fictional galctic politics.

diplomatic? how foolish of me, i never knew yelling and making blatant, illogical on the spot demands was diplomatic.

aliens do indeed already see humanity as a threat; it doesnt help that our ambassador is so blunt and demanding. and suppose that no judgement of character can be made when that 'diplomatic style' completely shifts the moment he has a chance to kiss up to the council.

its udina who calls you to the citadel, and its udina who issues the lockdown of the normandy. it seemed obvious to me that he used the reputation shepard had built for humanity to weasel his way into the council's good side. when shepard decided they needed to go to illos, udina's instance of effectively doing his job, if only because of ignorance, is to stop shepard from potentially starting a war that humanity would be blamed for. it is in this one instance that udina demonstrates logic over anderson, who belives shepard enough to stake his life on a 'vision'. but as we know, it is also this one instance where the logical choice wouldve lead to the end of all life.

udina has no good intentions, he has no tact, no diplomatic ability, no grasp of the bigger picture. he in his position to further himself, not humanity. like any good politician, he sees nothing beyond approval ratings and political implication; but is to incompetent to positively influence either. his only concern is as far as humanities image, hed make a great PR rep, but such short-sightedness has no place in leadership. the council created the spectres because they realized that many facets of galactic reality require direct action, and cant be bogged down by political debate for months. udina is a strange case of the opposite; he would be the one deliberating for months the political implications of some action, but he lacks the sense to even do that, and instead just screams his demands at the council.

he doesnt 'do what is necessary', he does whatever his blunt, short-sighted caveman brain can come up with.
hes not a good politician, whatever he knows about galactic politics he clearly cant apply to any practical use.
hes not looking out for humanity, hes looking out for himself, it just so happens that he is a part of humanity, and can sometimes reap the benefits of furthering it.

please remember that neither knowledge or experience equal wisdom; udina has both, and from it he has done little if anything of substance.

[hero3440]

Udina is a weasel he strips my shephard of his Spectere status near the end, and grounds the Normandy. After everything my crew sacrfice Jekins, Kaiden on Vimire, I even almost lost Wrex; all my hard work and I got stabbed in the back by Udina. If wasn't for Anderson the council and Udina would have doom the galaxy. Sometimes the end doesn't justifed the means