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[Zulu_DFA]

hero3440 wrote...

Udina is a weasel he strips my shephard of his Spectere status near the end, and grounds the Normandy. After everything my crew sacrfice Jekins, Kaiden on Vimire, I even almost lost Wrex; all my hard work and I got stabbed in the back by Udina. If wasn't for Anderson the council and Udina would have doom the galaxy. Sometimes the end doesn't justifed the means

Great job, kid. Keep bumping the thread up.
BTW, have you even looked at the cool pictures and clicked on some hot links in it?

[TheDeserter]

I for one thought that Udina just did his job, even if I thought he was making the grade as an A+ son of b****. In his position, I don't think he could have done much else but stop Shepard, before he got too out of hand on what the Council thought were unsubstantiated "dreams".



The more I think about it, had Udina actually supported Shepard in front of the Council (especially when they hinted for him to shut Shepard up), he might as well have lost his position and his influence with the Council, and the Normandy would have been impounded anyway; except now just by C-Sec instead of the Alliance.



Freeing the Normandy through Anderson knocking Udina's teeth out, and then using his computer in the Alliance embassy would have been impossible; it would have to be done at C-Sec headquarters or maybe Executor Pallin's office. Who knows how that might have turned out :/.



Plotwise, this was also the logical decision that Udina could have made; Bioware had already estabilished his political-savvy character, so it didn't much suprise me when he agreed with the Council. Maybe, this way, things turned out better off. Besides, I couldn't have seen my Shep backing down, especially against a half-assed stupid political game. Just my 2 cents

[Zulu_DFA]

Udina would have been amuzed, and proud of this.

[UndercoverDoctor]

This thread is a outrage!

[Zulu_DFA]

UndercoverDoctor wrote...

This thread is a outrage!

You mean the other one, right?

[Mr. Gerbz]

Udina is the kind of politician who gains votes by talking bad about the opponent (like Mcain). He only sees negative points. In reality his kind of politician make great promises for which the less intelligent people will fall (the Dutch politician Geert Wilders is a great example of this too). They are power hungry xenophobic militaristic manipulative bastards.

Obviously, because this isn't reality Udina might actually fulfill his promises, but because he wouldn't in reality I will always prefer Anderson.



Please note that I did not intend to insult anyone, and I am glad to see a topic like this as it proves Bioware is great at making stories / characters.

[hawat333]

"2. He goes to Shaira's too often."

In fact, he doesn't go there enough time, that's the reason of his anger.



Anyways, I couldn't hate Udina, after all he is the one who holds his back when we blow up/eliminate/incinerate something. And he does it until the end, keeps Shepard in line. Well, in the forced docking scene, he doesn't agree with Shepard, but given his (and by extension the council's) perspective, it's understandable. However, I counted on him to trust me after everything I did.

But on the other hand, he isn't the political representative of Shepard, but a politician who looks out for the entire humanity.



Yet again, he seems to be even glad if you destroy the council. And that's what is frightening.

[Zulu_DFA]

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Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:21 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Udina is the kind of politician who gains votes

Udina is in the executive branch of the Alliance. He never cares about votes. He answers only to the Systems Alliance Parliament. And they would never appoint him for such a high-level job in the first place, if he could not achieve substantial results.

hawat333 wrote...

"2. He goes to Shaira's too often."
In fact, he doesn't go there enough time, that's the reason of his anger.

No. The reason for his anger is that every time he goes there, Shepard the Jarhead Champion fails to keep low profile and pulls yet another flash&bang stunt, sometimes of a 20 kiloton magnitude, and the poor Udina has to "deal with the fallout" in the Council Chamber.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 18 janvier 2010 - 11:18 .

[Mr. Gerbz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Udina is the kind of politician who gains votes

So you're saying Udina (and Mcain's and Wilders') way is the only way? Making good-looking but unrealistic promises, talking **** about other politicians who dare to make real decisions instead of only caring about votes (Mcain about Obama, Wilders about D66)?

Admitted, a lot of stupid people fall for false promises.

[Zulu_DFA]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Udina is the kind of politician who gains votes

So you're saying Udina (and Mcain's and Wilders') way is the only way? Making good-looking but unrealistic promises, talking **** about other politicians who dare to make real decisions instead of only caring about votes (Mcain about Obama, Wilders about D66)?

Admitted, a lot of stupid people fall for false promises.

Like the ones of Obama, for example. He promised to shut down Guantanamo, and pull out of Iraq and Afganistan.

[Mr. Gerbz]

As far as I remember, he promised he'd do his best. And he did, but it's obvious that he got certain classified info as president, that had him reconsider certain aspects.

[averbalin]

"You know he is hiding in the Traverse. Send in your fleet!" nuff said

[Zulu_DFA]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

As far as I remember, he promised he'd do his best. And he did, but it's obvious that he got certain classified info as president, that had him reconsider certain aspects.

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-h-ah-ah-ah-a-h-sh-shaahfdhehwqhhdhs'b;.

*cralwing back into the chair*

I promise to do my best, guys! and I am Zulu!!! Am I elected yet?

[Mr. Gerbz]

Zulu, you're the kind of guy who doesn't understand politics. And you're also unable to understand how hard positions of power like those are to be in.



You've never been a leader yourself, have you? At least not a good one.

[Medhia Nox]

BABY UDINA for Council!



Binkies and Bwankies for eweywon!



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The Council position is not a "Species First" position. The human elected to the Council should NOT be looking after humanity first. The novels go into this. While it "does" happen, all the humans are suprised at just how impartial the Council representatives are - how many times they vote against their own race.



Udina is a supremecist. The Ambassador position is a "Human First" position. Udina is fine as an Ambassador.



Anderson is more "Worldly" he's seen the other races - seen the galaxes. He has the universes best interests at heart - not just one species of arrogant hairless apes. He belongs on the Council.



My Shepard does not put "Humanity" first - he's a Specter and he serves the Council. He serves all the races of the Council - and "my" Specter also chooses to serve ALL the races even outside of the Council. That means Batarians, Thorians, and Rachni - etc.



There are plenty of noble, good, even saintly people who were called traitors throughout history - my Shepard will only be one in a long line.

[NKKKK]

Klingons should join the council

[Zulu_DFA]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Zulu, you're the kind of guy who doesn't understand politics. And you're also unable to understand how hard positions of power like those are to be in.

You've never been a leader yourself, have you? At least not a good one.

Teach me, Captain UnderstandingHowHardPositionsOfPowerLikeThoseAreToBeIn, sir.

[tommythetomcat]

Just stopping by to show my love for the Udina

[Solmanian]

I chose Anderson because he backed me up. he knew that when the galaxy is at stakes, regulation takes a backseat, and sacrifices have to be made, even if it meant he took a bullet for the cause...

After Udina reveal his true face, and throws u to to the wolves after virmire, you'd have to be an idiot to support him. The man has a galactic crisis on his hands, and his first priority is treating it as a political oppurtunity! Udina may be looking for humanity best interest, but he's blinded to the big picture, that's why he's unfit to be in the council. He's a politician to the core, and boy do i hate politicians!

[GoldenusG]

Udina... My personal opinion is he's been in the job too long. He's been fighting the council every step for so many years that its twisted his perception of both the council, and what his job actually is.



Mind you, we don't really know what the aims of the Earth government actually are, and whether Udina likes it or not, he has to follow the orders of his superiors.

[Zulu_DFA]

GoldenusG wrote...

Udina... My personal opinion is he's been in the job too long. He's been fighting the council every step for so many years that its twisted his perception of both the council, and what his job actually is.

Mind you, we don't really know what the aims of the Earth government actually are, and whether Udina likes it or not, he has to follow the orders of his superiors.

There is no "Earth government" in ME. The Alliance is sort of a unified colonial administration, that gained autonomy from Earth's Supranational structure. Read the Codex. It helps.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 janvier 2010 - 12:15 .

[SnakeStrike8]

Pfft.

In my mind, no-one deserves the position of human Council representative more than Udina. The guy's worked his backside off for years getting humans to where they are and what does he get at the end of it? Everyone thinks he's a backstabber because he did the sensible thing and dismissed Shepard's 'visions' as bad dreams. Anderson, by comparison, throws one punch/headbutt and suddenly he's the best man to represent humans on the Council while Udina gets shunted aside.

Yeah, talk about ungrateful.

[Collider]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Zulu, you're the kind of guy who doesn't understand politics. And you're also unable to understand how hard positions of power like those are to be in.

You've never been a leader yourself, have you? At least not a good one.

And you understand politics?

[Solmanian]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

Udina is the kind of politician who gains votes by talking bad about the opponent (like Mcain). He only sees negative points. In reality his kind of politician make great promises for which the less intelligent people will fall (the Dutch politician Geert Wilders is a great example of this too). They are power hungry xenophobic militaristic manipulative bastards.
Obviously, because this isn't reality Udina might actually fulfill his promises, but because he wouldn't in reality I will always prefer Anderson.

Please note that I did not intend to insult anyone, and I am glad to see a topic like this as it proves Bioware is great at making stories / characters.

I'm not rly an expert on dutch politics  McCain with his background, is more like Anderson, U can hardly blame him for unfulfiled promises since he was elected. Instead we're stuck with Obama and his half-assed excuse for a foreign policy . U wanna talk about broken promises: Obama's great news, for the first time in over a century, the U.S. president decides he's no longer responsible for agreements made by previous regims. Meaning, effectively the word of the president now has an expiration date  So keep ur ultra-liberal crap somewhere else!