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[Inferno Sock]

I liked puting Anderson in because its war were heading to, i wanted somone hu i know knows about war and reapers

But i wounder if Udena is in council and Anderson becomes Admiral if that still is a good choice

[tommythetomcat]

Well of course it feels right to put Anderson on the council, but you gotta think that even though hes a guy you can count on can he really duke it out on a political level like Udina does? Politics suck but better to have a master of the craft in the hot seat than an idealist.

[GoldenusG]

Zulu_DFA wrote...


There is no "Earth government" in ME. The Alliance is sort of a unified colonial administration, that gained autonomy from Earth's Supranational structure. Read the Codex. It helps.

So what your saying is that Udina has no superiors and the direction of the Alliance is decided by him, and him alone?  Bah.  They may name it something else, but the Alliance is still run by a government.

[fairandbalancedfan]

UDINA! UDINA! He is one of the better characters in ME for sure.

[Medhia Nox]

The Council is NOT a political seat. At least not in the way it seems to be stated here.



The Council seat is NOT for "fighting for the rights of humanity". Udina is qualified for that.. he is not qualified for "Doing what's best for all Council races." That's what the Council seat is supposed to mean..



Unless, of course, human dominion supremecists re-write the meaning of the Council and bring "The Empire" to the Mass Effect universe. Yay, evil humans - how typical.

[tommythetomcat]

GoldenusG wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...


There is no "Earth government" in ME. The Alliance is sort of a unified colonial administration, that gained autonomy from Earth's Supranational structure. Read the Codex. It helps.

So what your saying is that Udina has no superiors and the direction of the Alliance is decided by him, and him alone?  Bah.  They may name it something else, but the Alliance is still run by a government.

The System Alliance is run by a parliament.  No one nation has authority over it.

http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

[Solmanian]

Mr. Gerbz wrote...

As far as I remember, he promised he'd do his best. And he did, but it's obvious that he got certain classified info as president, that had him reconsider certain aspects.

This is priceless!  cani use this as my signature?

[ODST 3]

He means well, though he must see that we need to work together with the other species to beat the Reapers. On our own, we get "Reaped"

[tommythetomcat]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Council is NOT a political seat. At least not in the way it seems to be stated here.

The Council seat is NOT for "fighting for the rights of humanity". Udina is qualified for that.. he is not qualified for "Doing what's best for all Council races." That's what the Council seat is supposed to mean..

Unless, of course, human dominion supremecists re-write the meaning of the Council and bring "The Empire" to the Mass Effect universe. Yay, evil humans - how typical.

On face value alone maybe, but the council is a political arm of the 3 council races who invest much in the Citadel so they will use their positions for political gains.  Take the Specters, they are glorified mercenaries carrying out the will of the council. 

[GoldenusG]

tommythetomcat wrote...


The System Alliance is run by a parliament.  No one nation has authority over it.

http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

Parliament.  Government.  Two words, almost eactly the same meaning.

[Zulu_DFA]

Solmanian wrote...
I'm not rly an expert on dutch politics  

I think I do...

A glimpse at DUTCH politics:

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 janvier 2010 - 12:52 .

[fairandbalancedfan]

So where is this Udina group ? I would like to join.

[tommythetomcat]

fairandbalancedfan wrote...

So where is this Udina group ? I would like to join.

GOOD POINT

[fairandbalancedfan]

First of all Andersom gets too emotional. Second of all even though Anderson fist clenched in the novels, he couldn't clench his fists for squat in the game.

[Zulu_DFA]

GoldenusG wrote...

tommythetomcat wrote...


The System Alliance is run by a parliament.  No one nation has authority over it.

http://masseffect.wi...ystems_Alliance

Parliament.  Government.  Two words, almost eactly the same meaning.

I see your point. You mean Udina may be absolutely detached from those who had him appointed. Smells like a snide insinuation to me, pal. And you must know what Shepard does with snide insinuations.

[tommythetomcat]

"You wanted proof, there it is."

http://social.bioware.com/group/1132

[fairandbalancedfan]

Yes for those people who wants to support Udina and the Human empire can support the Udina group. Or if you appreciate Udina as a character.



http://social.bioware.com/group/1132/

[Kimarous]

Here's my question... excluding the question of general politics, which candidate do you think would work better alongside the Council? My concern is that Udina, given his tendency to rant and kick and scream, would irritate the other members to the point that humanity would be kicked out or all votes would be 3-1 against his favour.

[tommythetomcat]

Kimarous wrote...

Here's my question... excluding the question of general politics, which candidate do you think would work better alongside the Council? My concern is that Udina, given his tendency to rant and kick and scream, would irritate the other members to the point that humanity would be kicked out or all votes would be 3-1 against his favour.

all you need to do is give the lion a little meat and that tames the beast.  Once Udina has the power he deserves all will be well

[Medhia Nox]

Is that a serious statement Tommy?

Do you know so little of men who crave power?

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 19 janvier 2010 - 01:19 .

[Zulu_DFA]

Udina is a Machiavellian BAMF of the highest politics league. Therefore, even if you saved the Old Council and Udina is a mere Human Councillor, there will probably be 3-1 votes. Only it will be the aliens who vote for what Udina really wants, but votes against himself.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 19 janvier 2010 - 01:25 .

[GoldenusG]

Zulu_DFA wrote...



I see your point. You mean Udina may be absolutely detached from those who had him appointed. Smells like a snide insinuation to me, pal. And you must know what Shepard does with snide insinuations.

Me?  I'm not insinuating anything.  Accusing him of being a traitor or a toady, sure.  But insinuate?  Never!

[Mr. Gerbz]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Teach me, Captain UnderstandingHowHardPositionsOfPowerLikeThoseAreToBeIn, sir.

If that is your only reply, then I'm done here. I can't be bothered to discuss politics with children.

Collider wrote...

And you understand politics? 

Funnily enough, yes I do. Comes with the International Law study, I guess.

Solmanian wrote...

I'm not rly an expert on dutch politics  McCain with his background, is more like Anderson, U can hardly blame him for unfulfiled promises since he was elected. Instead we're stuck with Obama and his half-assed excuse for a foreign policy . U wanna talk about broken promises: Obama's great news, for the first time in over a century, the U.S. president decides he's no longer responsible for agreements made by previous regims. Meaning, effectively the word of the president now has an expiration date  So keep ur ultra-liberal crap somewhere else! 

...Do you even know what ultra-liberal is? Don't make yourself look stupid.

And sure a lot of yankees are unable to see that Obama is much better than that redneck you had before, but that doesn't mean they are actually right. A lot of us foreigners have a more objective view.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not a fan of Obama (kind of tired of his wannabe-Kennedy **** now, like going to Mcdonalds / acting like he's personal with all the workers), but there aren't much politicians in America that actually have some intelligence and aren't power hungry.

[jomonoe]

I don't care if he agrees or disagrees with my desicions. That doesn't change how he back stabbed Shepard, the freakin first human Spectre! I also believe in working our way through problems with the other races, not instilling human rule.

[Schneidend]

A good ambassador works for his nation as much as for cooperation with other governments. Unfortunately, Udina is purely out for his own career, only using "working for humanity's interests" as a guise for greed, ambition, and incompetence. He endangers the entire galaxy, suddenly deciding only then that it was a good time to build a rapport with the Council, when he had previously shown no interest in making any concessions to the Council. Rather than engender cooperation with the Council over a slightly longer period with minor compromises, he instead chose to ground the first human Spectre just after said Spectre had made a major breakthrough in his/her mission for absolutely no reason other than to save face and start doing his job for once.

Udina isn't a good ambassador. He's not even a good politician in general. He's one of the better characters in Mass Effect, though, simply because he's so well-written.