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[Il Divo]

Jaison1986 wrote...

I just don't see the point to offer an chance for the Warden survive and continue his adventures only for him to disappear permanently right after. Face import the Warden can't be that impossible, can it? They adapted Morrigan, cassandra and Varric after all.

Well, first, think about the complaints we're already seeing regarding Morrigan's appearance from some.

Then you also have personality issues, accusations of fan service, plot direction issues, keeping the Warden awkwardly without VA issues, etc.

Basically, it comes down to this: there are some fans who would gladly ignore every issue possible, so devoted are they to the character of the Warden, but at some point Bioware has to ask the question of whether it's even worth the resources.

[The_FenixV]

Filament wrote...

Well... it certain endings of Awakening, the Warden was recalled to Weisshaupt, right? And we've been speculating that the Seekers in the trailer are beseiging Weisshaupt...

And then  Witch Hunt happens 2 years after that, my Warden left with Morrigan so heh, he should make a cameo.

[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

Il Divo wrote... I'm also worried about Bioware half-assing their explanation for why the Warden isn't present, for those who went beyond the Eluvian. I don't think they should have made that an option for players, period.

Absolutely. That's what is more important to me. I want answers. I want my choice to be relevant.

Warden died of the taint beyond the mirror, there you go.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Il Divo wrote... I'm also worried about Bioware half-assing their explanation for why the Warden isn't present, for those who went beyond the Eluvian. I don't think they should have made that an option for players, period.

Absolutely. That's what is more important to me. I want answers. I want my choice to be relevant.

Warden died of the taint beyond the mirror, there you go.

Lol, that's infortunately so easy, that nobody would be satisfied with that crap. XD

[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Il Divo wrote... I'm also worried about Bioware half-assing their explanation for why the Warden isn't present, for those who went beyond the Eluvian. I don't think they should have made that an option for players, period.

Absolutely. That's what is more important to me. I want answers. I want my choice to be relevant.

Warden died of the taint beyond the mirror, there you go.

Lol, that's infortunately so easy, that nobody would be satisfied with that crap. XD

Better then wasting resources on something that is not needed.

[mousestalker]

What sort of cameo? This, this, this or this?

The first is definitely possible, but its likelihood is uncertain. The second would probably require some hybridization. The third only requires some art and funding. The fourth is eminently doable.

Modifié par mousestalker, 12 juin 2013 - 09:35 .

[Il Divo]

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Il Divo wrote... I'm also worried about Bioware half-assing their explanation for why the Warden isn't present, for those who went beyond the Eluvian. I don't think they should have made that an option for players, period.

Absolutely. That's what is more important to me. I want answers. I want my choice to be relevant.

Warden died of the taint beyond the mirror, there you go.

...yeah, now I really wish they never made the Eluvian an option....which is how I feel about the Dark Ritual in general.

[Wulfram]

Jaison1986 wrote...

I just don't see the point to offer an chance for the Warden survive and continue his adventures only for him to disappear permanently right after. Face import the Warden can't be that impossible, can it? They adapted Morrigan, cassandra and Varric after all.

They adapted Morrigan, Cassandra and Varric because they knew what they looked like and were probably able to put some professional artist type people on making a passable reproduction.

Not the same as importing a whole bunch of wardens into a whole new engine and art style, potentially from races that have been quite significantly redesigned.

The only way they could get the Warden's face right would be to simply make the player do it.  And even then a lot of people would struggle to get something close enough to be acceptable to them.

[Sylvianus]

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

Il Divo wrote... I'm also worried about Bioware half-assing their explanation for why the Warden isn't present, for those who went beyond the Eluvian. I don't think they should have made that an option for players, period.

Absolutely. That's what is more important to me. I want answers. I want my choice to be relevant.

Warden died of the taint beyond the mirror, there you go.

Lol, that's infortunately so easy, that nobody would be satisfied with that crap. XD

Better then wasting resources on something that is not needed.

For you. For me, that's not the case.

[Aligalipe]

Mr.House wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...
And the voice thing, if its not the voice you wanted deal with it, you didn't pick your voice when you were born. Due to too many different race and gender variations if there was a warden cameo it would be short, but it is not impossible.

Worst compairson ever.

You think so? The Cousland Warden should have a Fereldan accent, It wouldn't make sense otherwise, the dalish warden should have the same accent as the other dalish, the dwarven warden should have the same accent as the other dwarves etc. thats how the world works. For an example a Cousland with an Orlesian accent wouldn't work.

[NRieh]

hawk will be seen with the default face

The worst idea ever. How about you loading your save and finding your PC have switched gender, face and personality while you were not looking?..

Better bucket on a head or blurry Fade-spirit (like Malcolm) or mask - anything is better than canonizing your previous PC.

[Mr.House]

Aligalipe wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...
And the voice thing, if its not the voice you wanted deal with it, you didn't pick your voice when you were born. Due to too many different race and gender variations if there was a warden cameo it would be short, but it is not impossible.

Worst compairson ever.

You think so? The Cousland Warden should have a Fereldan accent, It wouldn't make sense otherwise, the dalish warden should have the same accent as the other dalish, the dwarven warden should have the same accent as the other dwarves etc. thats how the world works. For an example a Cousland with an Orlesian accent wouldn't work.

Because WE created the Warden. Many of us picture and hear our Wardens voice in our head when we pick our desired line in DAO. The Warden is not Hawke who had a set voice from the get go.

[Aligalipe]

Nrieh wrote...

hawk will be seen with the default face

The worst idea ever. How about you loading your save and finding your PC have switched gender, face and personality while you were not looking?..

Better bucket on a head or blurry Fade-spirit (like Malcolm) or mask - anything is better than canonizing your previous PC.

I don't know how I would react to that laugh or rage

[M-Taylor]

JimmyRustles wrote...

You have to realize something. After dragon age origins that warden is not your character. That character is at the mercy of the bioware writers.

This.

It's why I did the Ultimate Sacrifice; as much as I love Bioware, I just don't trust them to have character cosistancy even when they write the characters themselves (Liara, Anders etc), let alone when the character is inherited from the player.

I think it was/is more merciful for both the player and Bioware for the Warden to die some how. If not by doing the Ultimate Sacrifice, then by some other means depending on the Wardens choices.

Ran off with Zevran? Died of STDs
Queen Cousland? Died in childbirth
Leliana takes your fancy? Boom, mages assassinate you in attempts to destablize the Chantry.

etc etc

[Il Divo]

That's a line from Bane in your sig, isn't it?

[Conquerthecity]

I don't want a cameo, but Morrigan better say something about my Amell Warden who romanced her.

[Sandy]

Only if we can re-create the Warden's face with the new engine and the part is a non speaking one... but really, what would be the point. The Warden's story is over, some players had their Wardens sacrifice themselves, others want them to stay in Ferelden or go on untold adventures. Bringing back teh Warden would just be more trouble than it's worth. I actually don't want to see the Warden again. Mentioning him/her is fine, but that should be it.

[Aligalipe]

Mr.House wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...
And the voice thing, if its not the voice you wanted deal with it, you didn't pick your voice when you were born. Due to too many different race and gender variations if there was a warden cameo it would be short, but it is not impossible.

Worst compairson ever.

You think so? The Cousland Warden should have a Fereldan accent, It wouldn't make sense otherwise, the dalish warden should have the same accent as the other dalish, the dwarven warden should have the same accent as the other dwarves etc. thats how the world works. For an example a Cousland with an Orlesian accent wouldn't work.

Because WE created the Warden. Many of us picture and hear our Wardens voice in our head when we pick our desired line in DAO. The Warden is not Hawke who had a set voice from the get go.

I'm not denying that but if people want to see their Warden, I don't think its that hard to accept. You just need measure which is more important to you. Everyone has their answer to that, and Bioware should decide whose answer they prefer and what the majority thinks (objectively speaking of course, I don't know what the majority thinks). Of course we could just see him from afar as other people said.

Modifié par Aligalipe, 12 juin 2013 - 09:45 .

[Il Divo]

JimmyRustles wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

That's a line from Bane in your sig, isn't it?

Yes. That is my favorite Trilogy. INB4 Talia Al ghul was half assed.

Great movie. The scene with Bruce climbing out of the pit where the bats fly out takes the cake for favorite scene in the trilogy.

[Sylvianus]

sandellniklas wrote...

Only if we can re-create the Warden's face with the new engine and the part is a non speaking one... but really, what would be the point. The Warden's story is over, some players had their Wardens sacrifice themselves, others want them to stay in Ferelden or go on untold adventures. Bringing back teh Warden would just be more trouble than it's worth. I actually don't want to see the Warden again. Mentioning him/her is fine, but that should be it.

There could be a point for those who had chosen to come with Morrigan. That choice was supposed to be significant. All the dead wardens can remain dead, and all those in Ferelden can remain unseen in Ferelden.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 12 juin 2013 - 09:46 .

[Mr.House]

Sylvianus wrote...

sandellniklas wrote...

Only if we can re-create the Warden's face with the new engine and the part is a non speaking one... but really, what would be the point. The Warden's story is over, some players had their Wardens sacrifice themselves, others want them to stay in Ferelden or go on untold adventures. Bringing back teh Warden would just be more trouble than it's worth. I actually don't want to see the Warden again. Mentioning him/her is fine, but that should be it.

There could be a point for those who had chosen to come with Morrigan. That choice was supposed to be significant. All the dead wardens can remain dead, and all those in Ferelden can remain unseen in Ferelden.

Bioware is not going to waste resources so your waifu headcanon does not get destroyed that's simply reality. Bioware does not have unlimited resources.

Modifié par Mr.House, 12 juin 2013 - 09:50 .