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[LoonySpectre]

By the way, "Warden going through the Eluvian with Morrigan" does not conclude his story. In DA2, if Alistair is king, Teagan tells him that "the Hero of Ferelden is back in Denerim", even if you import a save from Witch Hunt where you choose to go with Morrigan. So, at least if Alistair is king (with or without Anora), the Morrigan-romancing Warden does go back to Ferelden in 9:37 Dragon.

[Huyna]

I  hope that it's more than simply " possible".

[Maclimes]

LoonySpectre wrote...

By the way, "Warden going through the Eluvian with Morrigan" does not conclude his story. In DA2, if Alistair is king, Teagan tells him that "the Hero of Ferelden is back in Denerim", even if you import a save from Witch Hunt where you choose to go with Morrigan. So, at least if Alistair is king (with or without Anora), the Morrigan-romancing Warden does go back to Ferelden in 9:37 Dragon.

Nothing that happens in DA2, in regards to imports, counts at all. There were so many import bugs that it's impossible to tell what's intended to be a retcon, what's a bug, and what's just unexpected.

[PlasmaCheese]

If the Warden is made DLC, everyone winnsss. People can continue their headcanon, and those who want to see their Warden will be able to. =D Oh, and Bioware gets moarrr profitz. Yay

[Sylvianus]

iakus wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

That's not true, the warden's story for those who went through the Eluvian is all but finished. It's actually unfinished, the warden is now a part of a story arc, that of Morrigan and their child, and it's not really clear. I can't even think how he lives, what happened to him, what he has become after all these years, etc. The fact is that Morrigan is going to play a role and he is normally at her side. You don't want that to happen, fine, but no, his story isn't over at all if we have to be honest with the facts.

Morrigan finally decides to engage in a conflict after ten years, and the warden would be simply happy to remain behind while the world is burning ? That's it  ? Or will they tell us the old excuse of the mysterious disappearance again ?

Now, when I decided to follow Morrigan, I expected an outcome and consequences. Whether it's negative or positive, I don't care. We have that chance with DAI. Just leaving the warden alone without providing clarification, without responding to the interest that has been caused in the previous episode, without explaining the meaning of this decision and its effects on him, on them now, while Morrigan is going to play a big role , is a bit lame to me. That would make my choice totally irrelevant and leaving me in the blur. There's nothing worse than that to me. At least, I want something solid.

Also, yes it's the time of the inquisitor, but in the same time it doesn't mean that the warden can't finally have its closure, can't appear and even play a minor role.  It's less about the warden's adventure, ( DAO )  than warden's new life. We know that the inquisitor will be the hero.  Franckly the thought that Morrigan could play a big role in DAI leaving him behind into this mirror or I don't know where,  "having disappeared " as always with Bioware, is a bit hard to swallow.

You keep talking about Leliana's case, as if that was an example to follow. It's not. Many folks, myself included thought it was ridiculous that Leliana was in Kirkwall, as the divine's agent without even mentioning the warden. Where was her love while she was doing her job for the Divine all that time, all these years ? * Poof * just mysteriously disappeared, deal with it ? People were just confused. I thought it was really bad, even if Leliana wasn't my LI.

I personally don't want the same weird thing to be repeated. I'm not saying there couldn't be other better ways, but at least let's try to learn from DAII's mistakes.

Bilbo Baggins was the central figure around the events of The Hobbit.  His actions helped shape the future of Middle Earth.  But what was his role in The Lord of the Rings?  Minimal, at best.  Little more than reminders of what happened and yes, he was still kicking around.  He's not stabbing orcs, rescuing dwarves from giant spiders, or riddling with dragons.  It wasn't his story anymore.  Now it's Frodo's

Yep, and yet Baggins appeared in a story that wasn't his and still had a point to the story with the ring to give to Frodo, despite his minor role. Baggins back home had his closure in this story. This is exactly what I want for my warden. Let's really close that chapter in DAI.  Something you know, finished for once.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 13 juin 2013 - 08:57 .

[Maclimes]

Sylvianus wrote...

Yep, and yet Baggins appeared in a story that wasn't his and still had a point to the story with the ring to give to Frodo, despite his minor role. Baggins back home had his closure in this story. This is exactly what I want for my warden. Let's really close that chapter in DAI.  Something you know, finished for once.

Yeah, I think Bilbo's level of involvement in LOTR is the perfect analogue for how I would like to see the Warden and Hawke in DA3: A sort of "passing of the torch", as well as wrapping up any loose ends.

[Iakus]

Sylvianus wrote...

Yep, and yet Baggins appeared in a story that wasn't his and still had a point to the story with the ring to give to Frodo, despite his minor role. Baggins back home had his closure in this story. This is exactly what I want for my warden. Let's really close that chapter in DAI.  Something you know, finished for once.

And I say be caraeful what you wish for.

Do you really think that if the Warden made an appearance, that it would truly be "your" Warden?  It would not, it would be "Bioware's Warden"  We'd have no control over what happened to him (or her).

Do you think you're Warden, once back, would hunt down Leliana and try to "finish the job"
Or would the Warden seek out Isabela for another hookup?
Would your Warden team up with your Hawke and shake the heavens with their combined awesomeness?
Or take up the title of Commander of the Grey once again?
Would the Warden lead an army?  Broker a truce?  Return to Alistair's side?  Hunt down mages?

The answer is:"It doesn't matter".  Because again, it's not your Warden anymore.  You would have zero control over what happened to him.  Bioware could do anything they wanted with him.  Anything.  And all of us would have to sit there and take it.  Is that a risk you're willing to take?  To put your character, all our characters, into Bioware's hands as an NPC?

I, for one, am not.

If the Warden pulled a Bilbo and merely sat back and chronicled the adventures fo the Inquisitor, I'd say we all get off very lucky indeed.

[PinkDiamondstl]

I hope so sense one of my wardens is queen .

[Dova]

I think it's very possible. Looking at the trailer it looks like the Seekers are declaring war on the Wardens. Your Warden is a Warden obviously, so I'm pretty sure your gonna see the Warden.

[Maclimes]

iakus wrote...

Is that a risk you're willing to take?  To put your character, all our characters, into Bioware's hands as an NPC?

I, for one, am not.

You don't have a choice.

[dragondreamer]

My Warden didn't romance Morrigan or go through the eluvian, but the fate of his child is still THE big unfinished business for him. So yeah, my Warden's story isn't really finished in that respect.

[Il Divo]

iakus wrote...

“Very well, very well, Master Elrond!” said Bilbo suddenly. “Say no more! It is plain enough what you are pointing at. Bilbo the silly hobbit started this affair, and Bilbo had better finish it, or himself. I was very comfortable here, and getting on with my book. If you want to know, I am just writing an ending for it. I had thought of putting: and he lived happily ever afterwards to the end of his days. It is a good ending, and none the worse for having been used before. Now I shall have to alter that: it does not look like coming true; and anyway there will evidently have to be several more chapters, if I live to write them. It is a frightful nuisance. When ought I to start?” …
“Of course, my dear Bilbo,” said Gandalf. “If you had really started this affair, you might be expected to finish it. But you know well enough now that starting is too great a claim for any, and that only a small part is played in great deeds by any hero…. You cannot take this thing back. It has passed on. If you need my advice any longer, I should say that your part is ended, unless as a recorder. Finish your book, and leave the ending unaltered!”

Which again translates to the author saying "I don't want Bilbo as my hero". it's still not a good reason. This is one area where the movies did far better at least, since Bilbo has two points against him there: his old age and his clear addiction to the Ring, seen when he gives Frodo Sting.

What I'm saying is that the story needs a better explanation than "Oh, your part in the story is over". Who decides that? Why did Gandalf have a part in the story to play? He started on the same journey with Bilbo, but it was okay for him to keep going. Why did Aragorn or Legolas get to go along? Neither of them actually started the journey with Frodo. Better reasoning is needed than "just because".

Still doesn't address the dangers of "My Warden would never do that!"  or "How could you do that to my character?" or "Why can't my Warden...?"

Who said anything me having to address it? Those are concerns. They're very realistic concerns.

What I'm dismissing is this notion of the Warden's story being finished, for those who have passed through the Eluvian and particularly those who had the OGB. A small number of players in terms of total permutations, but it does raise the issue of Bioware leaving different Wardens on different footings, which shouldn't be done if their hope/plan is to avoid touching the character anymore, much like DA2's mysterious disappearance.

If you're saying that you'd rather they leave those Wardens' stories unfinished, that's fine. But it's not like they left them at a great stopping point in the manner most other Wardens did.

Modifié par Il Divo, 13 juin 2013 - 11:58 .

[Nightdragon8]

Dovaaa wrote...

I think it's very possible. Looking at the trailer it looks like the Seekers are declaring war on the Wardens. Your Warden is a Warden obviously, so I'm pretty sure your gonna see the Warden.

because of 5 frames in the teaser.... do you think any of that is in cronological order? Do we even know what sect of the Grey Wardens they are attacking, if they are attacking the Grey Wardens at all.

What if the Treventor has there own Grey Warden's and they are as power hungery as the rest of the Treventors, but because they have darkspawn blood they end up finding a way to become very powerful, so you could call them a rouge faction on the Grey Wardens.

The fact of the matter is that WE DONT KNOW. Hell someone could have taken over there fortress and everyone is trying to route them out.

Just because someone told you there interptation doesn't mean its fact... Also considering its based on 5 pictures, I really don't

What if's are fine but when people start taking it as "FACT" is when I get irretaited.

[Nightdragon8]

The only Warden Cameo's I think I would like to see, would be an obsecuer, reference from the LI, Like with Lileana meeting up with the warden after the end battle, talking about "her love" or morrigan, with warden saying something like , "is it over my love?" and maybe Morri saying, "Yes it is my, Dear."(and yes I would love to hear the VA say this) With a potential child's voice in the back ground.

Other than that, I don't want to "see" the warden, cause as stated before, I don't want some generic every warden looks the same. sort of thing.

[Angrywolves]

If you have a save where the warden survived the final battle in DAO meaning someone did the DR with Morrigan.

[Zeldrik1389]

The thing is, the Warden's look is decided by players, so it's pretty much impossible to make him / her physically appear in DA:I. At best, the warden will be mentioned by their old companion or LI (Like how Alistair comment about his warden queen, or Wynn mentioned "Hero of Ferelden" in Asunder). If the warden was alive, I'd hope to hear sth like he / she's leading the fight somewhere else etc.. from npcs or return characters.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 14 juin 2013 - 12:27 .

[Dova]

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

The thing is, the Warden's look is decided by players, so it's pretty much impossible to make him / her physically appear in DA:I.

Then it would of been impossible for us to import our Shepards into Mass Effect 2 and so on. 
Mass Effect 3 was terribly off at first, but they fixed that in patches/updates. 
I don't see why that couldn't do that also.

[Angrywolves]

If the cameo is based on a player's save file it could be done.

[Il Divo]

Angrywolves wrote...

If you have a save where the warden survived the final battle in DAO meaning someone did the DR with Morrigan.

Or Alistair/Loghain died?

[BlueMagitek]

Unfortunately, Warden doesn't have snazzy Revan robes. D=

[Dova]

Angrywolves wrote...

If the cameo is based on a player's save file it could be done.

Yeah that's what I meant! 

& To the guy whos getting his little jimmies rastled about what  I said earlier, about the warden PROBABLY showing up, you need to calm yo self down sir. Goodness, all I said was probably. It was a mere OPINION.

I didn't state facts, I said it as an opinion. That you should probably look over. 

Dovaaa wrote...
I think it's very possible. Looking at the trailer it looks like the Seekers are declaring war on the Wardens. Your Warden is a Warden obviously, so I'm pretty sure your gonna see the Warden.

Here sir, let me just underline some details..
I don't really see any facts stated..

[Nightdragon8]

Dovaaa wrote...

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

The thing is, the Warden's look is decided by players, so it's pretty much impossible to make him / her physically appear in DA:I.

Then it would of been impossible for us to import our Shepards into Mass Effect 2 and so on. 
Mass Effect 3 was terribly off at first, but they fixed that in patches/updates. 
I don't see why that couldn't do that also.

yes because in reality The Warden is also named Hawke, and was really a human all this time....

Mass Effect KEPT the face gen data, DA did NOT. big diffence. So no its not Possable to port that face gen data, because it was never kept.

Please please, try to understand alittle how computers work...

Mass effect they had planed to use the SAME CHARACTER for 3 games, so they left a spot int he save game port data to use the face Gen. And it worked, ever read the forums and they talk about "Flags" its basicly this. in DA2 port, warden face gen data, wasn't ported over. (at least from what I have read it doesn't) so gonig from DA:O ot DA2, that data is lost, and if we go from DA2, to DA:I it wont have the data to make the Warden because the port data didn't get saved into the DA2 port data.

understand?

[Dova]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Talk to me like I'm some mere child, one more time. 
I'm about to get this thread locked by telling you what I'm thinking about you right at this moment. 

It was a mere SUGGESTION.
Obviously, your peanut sized brain cannot fathom that word. 

[Zeldrik1389]

Dovaaa wrote...

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

The thing is, the Warden's look is decided by players, so it's pretty much impossible to make him / her physically appear in DA:I.

Then it would of been impossible for us to import our Shepards into Mass Effect 2 and so on. 
Mass Effect 3 was terribly off at first, but they fixed that in patches/updates. 
I don't see why that couldn't do that also.

True but the thing is, Shepard is human, and the main protagonist of all three games. DA:O warden has multiple background (Dwarf, elves, and human). Not to mention the multiple possible endings of the Warden (grey warden commander, king / queen of ferelden, going through Eluvian with Morrigan, etc...) while Shepard always end up the same (always alive in ME 1, alive in ME 2. if he was dead, the save can't be import to ME3). With all that, making Warden physical cameos would require at least several times more work than Shepards. Also if they do, they will have to do it VERY VERY right, or risk having "The warden doesn't look the same" thrown at them. I don't think they would spend that much time and effort just for a cameo, tbh. Again, I think Warden being mentioned by other character is a much more simpler and safer choice for them, it's very likely that they would stick with that.

Modifié par Zeldrik1389, 14 juin 2013 - 01:05 .

[The Valiant Misanthropist]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

Dovaaa wrote...

Zeldrik1389 wrote...

The thing is, the Warden's look is decided by players, so it's pretty much impossible to make him / her physically appear in DA:I.

Then it would of been impossible for us to import our Shepards into Mass Effect 2 and so on. 
Mass Effect 3 was terribly off at first, but they fixed that in patches/updates. 
I don't see why that couldn't do that also.

yes because in reality The Warden is also named Hawke, and was really a human all this time....

Mass Effect KEPT the face gen data, DA did NOT. big diffence. So no its not Possable to port that face gen data, because it was never kept.

Please please, try to understand alittle how computers work...

Mass effect they had planed to use the SAME CHARACTER for 3 games, so they left a spot int he save game port data to use the face Gen. And it worked, ever read the forums and they talk about "Flags" its basicly this. in DA2 port, warden face gen data, wasn't ported over. (at least from what I have read it doesn't) so gonig from DA:O ot DA2, that data is lost, and if we go from DA2, to DA:I it wont have the data to make the Warden because the port data didn't get saved into the DA2 port data.

understand?

You do realize they could go back and make an update or some **** like that where they save the Wardens Race, Origin, skin tone et cetera. They've changed the engine and in DA2 they changed the look of most of the characters and again a little in DA3 it seems. Who's to say they won't do the same with the Warden and only having the basic look he/she had. I mean it is like 9 or so years after Origins right?