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[Dave of Canada]

Ridirkulous wrote...

Nintendo forcing third party developers to utilize thier trademark technology doesn't help things either.

Not only that but I remember they'd trademark/patent some things regarding their first-party games so that other developers can't do it. I recall the N64's yellow buttons being used for camera control being trademarked/patented at the time, prompting developers to use other methods which left games with subpar camera controls.

Don't know if they still do it but Nintendo is anti-third party.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 juin 2013 - 05:36 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

^

No. Just no.

You make it sound as if Nintendo is heading the same way as Sega did. You couldn't be furter from the truth.

Wii was the best-selling console of previous gen and Nintendo's handhelds always have been the best selling handhelds.

Nintendo doesn't need to BECOME the no. 1 of the mobile gaming market because Nintendo ALREADY IS the no. 1 of the mobile gaming market.


Nintendo keeps making buckets of money with their handheld devices, they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Nintendo is here to stay.


Also:

WiiU > Xbone

Your in delusion, Wii U is DOA.  DS is still successful but its still a barrier millions will not cross that if torn down, again, would open the flood gates to software sales, which is my point you seem to be jumping over.  Yes, they can stay in business with the current model, at least for now, but their software sales are nothing now compared to what they WOULD be if they were on other every other device. 

They aren't gonna go Sega too soon.  I just meant sooner or later.  They are too backwards minded, their leadership's strategy is unsustainable, at least in the console market.  Mobile can last longer, but its still a barrier thats keeping them from mroe profit then its giving them.  They pretty much had a fluke with the wii, grabbing up a huge brand new casual market that has now moved on to the accessability of mobile and facebook or grown up to sony/microsoft.  That isn't to say ALL of them, but most of them.  The Wii U isn't that appealing to them anymore, and it still isn't really appealing to many people on the other machines (something Nintendo were counting on and its failing them clearly) since its thrid party support is virtually non existant and people don't want to buy an entire console for just nintendo games, especially when that console doesn't even have other improtant multimedia features either.  The thing is outdated to boot, its essentially a "catch up" console that is now already going to be completely leap frogged 1 year after its release.  Yes, its not a next gen console, its a current gen one.  Just another reason it has less value. 

Nintendo fanboys (I used to be one) seem blind to this, and I understand why.  You love their games.  Theres nothign more to it.  To you there is value, but were not talking about you guys who already have one, were talking about the whole wide market Nintendo is tryign to attract that they just... aren't.  You have to understand that most people need more then just great first party nintendo games to buy a console.  That isn't getting delivered and its not going to, the ocnsole is too outdated technologically.  It can't handle the games third party publishers are making both in terms of hardware and networking, and publishers arent going to go make seperate blockbusters for a single platform, that just doesn't happen. 

Now, again, I'm not saying Nintendo aren't profitable, or that they will tumble out of the business like Sega did.  Not right now, probably not AT LEAST until the next gen (were talking the 2020's)  But that isn't to say they aren't making far LESS profit then they could be making if they abandoned consoles and developed for virtually every other platform.  They would have to sacrifice their hardware profit yes, but in return they would blow up their software profit like crazy. 

I have to wonder, why is that a bad thing?  If your a huge fan of nintendo games, why NOT play them on other platforms?  If your a pokemon fan, why wouldn't playing it on your phone be awesome?  Why wouldn't playing Zelda on PS4 be awesome?  Why not want them to do what would be the most successful approach they can?  Now that I DON'T get. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 14 juin 2013 - 05:48 .

[Roflbox]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Skelter192 wrote...

I need this.

Let's not forget this one either.

An HD town. I thought it was impossible.



This makes me feel giddy.

[ShepnTali]

Any hopes for a Metroid U will have to be put on hold for awhile. Gonna have to get it on like Donkey Kong for now.


One major project at a time

[The Heretic of Time]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

No. Just no.

You make it sound as if Nintendo is heading the same way as Sega did. You couldn't be furter from the truth.

Wii was the best-selling console of previous gen and Nintendo's handhelds always have been the best selling handhelds.

Nintendo doesn't need to BECOME the no. 1 of the mobile gaming market because Nintendo ALREADY IS the no. 1 of the mobile gaming market.


Nintendo keeps making buckets of money with their handheld devices, they're not going anywhere anytime soon. Nintendo is here to stay.


Also:

WiiU > Xbone

Your in delusion, Wii U is DOA.  DS is still successful but its still a barrier millions will not cross that if torn down, again, would open the flood gates to software sales, which is my point you seem to be jumping over.  Yes, they can stay in business with the current model, at least for now, but their software sales are nothing now compared to what they WOULD be if they were on other every other device. 

They aren't gonna go Sega too soon.  I just meant sooner or later.  They are too backwards minded, their leadership's strategy is unsustainable, at least in the console market.  Mobile can last longer, but its still a barrier thats keeping them from mroe profit then its giving them.  They pretty much had a fluke with the wii, grabbing up a huge brand new casual market that has now moved on to the accessability of mobile and facebook or grown up to sony/microsoft.  That isn't to say ALL of them, but most of them.  The Wii U isn't that appealing to them anymore, and it still isn't really appealing to many people on the other machines (something Nintendo were counting on and its failing them clearly) since its thrid party support is virtually non existant and people don't want to buy an entire console for just nintendo games, especially when that console doesn't even have other improtant multimedia features either.  The thing is outdated to boot, its essentially a "catch up" console that is now already going to be completely leap frogged 1 year after its release.  Yes, its not a next gen console, its a current gen one.  Just another reason it has less value. 

Nintendo fanboys (I used to be one) seem blind to this, and I understand why.  You love their games.  Theres nothign more to it.  To you there is value, but were not talking about you guys who already have one, were talking about the whole wide market Nintendo is tryign to attract that they just... aren't.  You have to understand that most people need more then just great first party nintendo games to buy a console.  That isn't getting delivered and its not going to, the ocnsole is too outdated technologically.  It can't handle the games third party publishers are making both in terms of hardware and networking, and publishers arent going to go make seperate blockbusters for a single platform, that just doesn't happen. 

Now, again, I'm not saying Nintendo aren't profitable, or that they will tumble out of the business like Sega did.  Not right now, probably not AT LEAST until the next gen (were talking the 2020's)  But that isn't to say they aren't making far LESS profit then they could be making if they abandoned consoles and developed for virtually every other platform.  They would have to sacrifice their hardware profit yes, but in return they would blow up their software profit like crazy. 

I have to wonder, why is that a bad thing?  If your a huge fan of nintendo games, why NOT play them on other platforms?  If your a pokemon fan, why wouldn't playing it on your phone be awesome?  Why wouldn't playing Zelda on PS4 be awesome?  Why not want them to do what would be the most successful approach they can?  Now that I DON'T get. 

Moustache I wasn't talking about what I WANT, I was merely stating the FACTS about Nintendo.

While they might be struggling with the WiiU, their Nintendo 3DS is selling like hot cakes. Really, the amount of handhelds they sell and the amount of profit Nintendo makes on them is insane.


The very idea of pokemon on mobile phones is horrifying though. I would NOT, no, NEVER EVER want to see Pokemon turning into a casual mobile phone game that you have to play with crappy-ass touch-screen controls.

No, I want Pokemon to be on a PROPER handheld gaming device, and the ONLY company who seems to make PROPER handhelds still is and has always been Nintendo.

As for Nintendo's consoles. Well, I actually LIKE them, because they're DIFFERENT.

I don't give a f*ck about the PS4 and I don't give a f*ck about the Xbone because they're basically just wannabe-PCs, but less powerful and less capable than a real PC. Why waste money on a wannabe-PC if I already have a superior gaming-PC?

I'm a PC gamers first and foremost, but Nintendo will always sprak my interest because they dare to be innovative and different. Playing The Legend of Zelda Skyward Sword with the motion-controlled sword-fighting is one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had!

If Nintendo ever would stop making consoles, I want them to become PC game developers, and I want them to release their innovative hardware for PC. I already managed to hook up my Wii-remote to my PC and played some Zelda Skyward Sword in full HD on my PC. It was quite awesome to see Zelda Skyward Sword in glorious 1080P full-HD.


Also, Nintendo WON'T go the same way Sega did, not now, not soon, not later, NOT EVER. You should read ShepnTali's posts. Nintendo has tons of money on the bank and despite their struggle with the WiiU they still keep making tons of money with their more-than succeful Nintendo 3DS.


Sorry, but the only person who seems to be delusional here is you. Well, maybe not delusional, but completely ignorant and misinformed. Stuff like "WiiU is not a next-gen consoles" and "Nintendo will go Sega sooner or later" really shows you lack of knowledge on the matter.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 14 juin 2013 - 11:44 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ah yes, "Nintendo is doomed". It's not like that one's been thrown around on the net for at least two decades now or anything, no siree~

[ShepnTali]

This will sell some Wii U'ss, but Nintendo chose not to have Zelda U at E3. It could be a few years I guess. This is still drool worthy...

[The Heretic of Time]

ShepnTali wrote...

This will sell some Wii U'ss, but Nintendo chose not to have Zelda U at E3. It could be a few years I guess. This is still drool worthy...

^
Look at that and tell me that's not "next-gen".


Also, Mario Kart 8 also looks surprisingly sexy:

[OdanUrr]

Well, someone was bound to realise this:

Zelda producer: 'If we don't change we might die'

Of course, it doesn't help he's making a couple of Zelda games.

[The Heretic of Time]

OdanUrr wrote...

Well, someone was bound to realise this:

Zelda producer: 'If we don't change we might die'

Of course, it doesn't help he's making a couple of Zelda games.

One can never have too much of Zelda! 


Honestly, as much as I like to see some new IPs from Nintendo, I do not want them to stop making those classics such as Mario and Zelda. I still love playing those even after 20 years.

[Chromie]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Well, someone was bound to realise this:

Zelda producer: 'If we don't change we might die'

Of course, it doesn't help he's making a couple of Zelda games.

One can never have too much of Zelda! 

Or Nintendo. Say what you will they do their own thing and don't give a ****.

[The Heretic of Time]

Skelter192 wrote...

LOLOLOLOLOL Miyamoto hahahahahaha!  Man I love that guy! 


Also, you're right. Totally agree with you.

[Doctoglethorpe]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

This will sell some Wii U'ss, but Nintendo chose not to have Zelda U at E3. It could be a few years I guess. This is still drool worthy...

^
Look at that and tell me that's not "next-gen".


Also, Mario Kart 8 also looks surprisingly sexy:

It looks current gen.  And it is. 

[Doctoglethorpe]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


The very idea of pokemon on mobile phones is horrifying though. I would NOT, no, NEVER EVER want to see Pokemon turning into a casual mobile phone game that you have to play with crappy-ass touch-screen controls.

As for Nintendo's consoles. Well, I actually LIKE them, because they're DIFFERENT.

I don't give a f*ck about the PS4 and I don't give a f*ck about the Xbone because they're basically just wannabe-PCs, but less powerful and less capable than a real PC. Why waste money on a wannabe-PC if I already have a superior gaming-PC?

Just to adress those snips.  Pokemon already is a casual game, so... lolwut?  It also already uses touch controls, thats the entire point of the DS.  Again, lolwut?  It would literally be no different on a phone.  And on a phone it would be far more accessable.  I wouldp lay it on a phone, not gonna carry around (or buy in the first place) another device just to play it. 

As for the other stuff, why buy a nintendo by the same logic?  Its just a weak pc that does less stuff.  If you could play Nintendo games on PC wouldn't that be better?  I don't get how nintendo get a pass but others dont.  Nintendo on PC would be AMAZING. 

[Arcadian Legend]

Skelter192 wrote...

Miyamoto is something else. It'll be a a sad day for gaming when he retires.

It aggravates me everytime somebody thinks that graphics and the power of a console is an indicator of what is or isn't next-gen. It isn't an indicator and it never was. What determines next-gen is time, when it's being released in relation to the last console. In fact I may go so far as to say we're already in the next gen, what with the Wii U, Vita and 3DS already being released. (Though one could argue handhelds are more of a cross-gen thing) The PS4 and X1 just need to release so everything is up to date with each other. I wonder when it was that people started perceiving next-gen by hardware power.

[Homebound]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Ah yes, "Nintendo is doomed". It's not like that one's been thrown around on the net for at least two decades now or anything, no siree~

Its a 3pony race tbh. Nintendo always comes in last when it comes to consoles but last place in a game with 3 players isnt such a big deal until it is. Which I figure is next gen for nintendo.

[MstrJedi Kyle]

The fact is, Nintendo does whatever the **** Nintendo wants to do. They always have and they will continue to do so. They might have consoles that don't sell very well, and they'll have console that sell phenomenally well. They aren't going anywhere and they're doing it how they want to do it. I will say this though. If they ever get desperate to sell WiiUs all they need to do is announce a new Pokemon Snap game.

[Ravensword]

Doctor Moustache wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...


The very idea of pokemon on mobile phones is horrifying though. I would NOT, no, NEVER EVER want to see Pokemon turning into a casual mobile phone game that you have to play with crappy-ass touch-screen controls.

As for Nintendo's consoles. Well, I actually LIKE them, because they're DIFFERENT.

I don't give a f*ck about the PS4 and I don't give a f*ck about the Xbone because they're basically just wannabe-PCs, but less powerful and less capable than a real PC. Why waste money on a wannabe-PC if I already have a superior gaming-PC?

Just to adress those snips.  Pokemon already is a casual game, so... lolwut?  It also already uses touch controls, thats the entire point of the DS.  Again, lolwut?  It would literally be no different on a phone.  And on a phone it would be far more accessable.  I wouldp lay it on a phone, not gonna carry around (or buy in the first place) another device just to play it. 

As for the other stuff, why buy a nintendo by the same logic?  Its just a weak pc that does less stuff.  If you could play Nintendo games on PC wouldn't that be better?  I don't get how nintendo get a pass but others dont.  Nintendo on PC would be AMAZING. 

Lolwut? Oh, you. I think you're just saying that b/c you wanna play Nintendo games, but you don't wanna buy a Wii U or 3DS. Especially since you claim you used to be a [alleged] Nintendo fan.  Lolwut?