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[GimmeDaGun]

Silentblaze wrote...

Imported LI (insert your waifu) should've had a bigger role or at as a member of the Normandy team. This would've been a special bonus slot for returning ME players who import a save. I'm certain at least half the fans would've wanted their LI from the previous game in the crew roster.

No, this whole space-waifu fetish is way over the top already. They had a big enough role. I don't get why so many get excited about these romance options, when the romance subplot is just an optional bonus feature, but the game and the story is not about that. Some here treat these plastic dolls like they were real people... I might risk saying that some fans genuienly fell in love with their Shep's "LI". 

[KaiserShep]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...
To a degree, I do believe they should have had more of a face to fight with Harbinger. I also believe they should have kept the unique Reaper designs as shown in ME2.

Seems missed opportunities are everywhere. Hackett orders part of the fleet to delay the reapers leaving the battle to head for the beam, but when Harbinger shows up, no one is left in the sky, except the Normandy. It would've been the perfect opportunity to have Harbinger just about to laser blast Shepard, only to get a much needed distraction via volley of fire from fighters, the Normandy and whatever the heck else you rallied to Earth. Heck, if the EMS is high enough, just have Harby bite the big one. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 juin 2013 - 05:44 .

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

So people may hate Mac for what he has done with ME3, but if it was Drew who took the helm, now everybody would hate him instead of Mac, I'd stake my life on it. 

This is what we call an Appeal to probabilty.


Also, your point that ME1 Promised that the Reapers would come, no matter what, is factually inccorect, No such statement can ever be deduced out of ME1's context, All the narrative told us is that the Reapers "Were trapped in Darkspace" and that "The Reapers are still out there", neither of these lines provide any basis for your assumption.

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 06:19 .

[RZIBARA]

Miranda, Ashley, Grunt, Jack, Harbinger.

[xAmilli0n]

Miranda is the only one that really comes to mind.

[CptData]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

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So people may hate Mac for what he has done with ME3, but if it was Drew who took the helm, now everybody would hate him instead of Mac, I'd stake my life on it. 

Maybe. Maybe not.

I don't "hate" Mac. I just think he wasn't the best option for the plot in ME3. His love for certain characters is fine to me, however, since those characters got extra screen time on expense of others, this kind of favorism makes him looking bad. Just my idea, of course, especially since my fave character got reduced to a plot-long cameo.

[Tron Mega]

harbinger.

by far, harbinger.

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

So people may hate Mac for what he has done with ME3, but if it was Drew who took the helm, now everybody would hate him instead of Mac, I'd stake my life on it. 

This is what we call an Appeal to probabilty.


Also, your point that ME1 Promised that the Reapers would come, no matter what, is factually inccorect, No such statement can ever be deduced out of ME1's context, All the narrative told us is that the Reapers "Were trapped in Darkspace" and that "The Reapers are still out there", neither of these lines provide any basis for your assumption.

www.youtube.com/watch


Watch it from 5.20! If you end your game with lines like those... you simply can't back down just like that. In this case they pretty much ended the game with the exact promise of "the reapers are coming and Shepard will try to stop them". This is how you build up anticipation. And that was Drew, my friend.

Now imagine the fan-base's reaction if they dared to continue the trilogy by ignoring the promise of the first game and leave the reapers in dark space. "Oh, sorry we decided to scrap the idea of the reapers returning, since we thought it would be best if we tried something completely different." Knowing how dedicated and critical the ME fan-base is... The whole first game was about building the foundations for the reaper invasion. It was the exposition. At this point you either fulfill your promise (and people were expecting the reapers' arival by that time) or you don't continue you're story at all.


So, I may be "factually incorrect", but these lines in the end of ME1 have just promised me that I will see reapers in the Milky Way soon... a ****load of reapers. 

As for your "appeal to probability" line: yeah it is... but judging by the reactions to Mac's writing here and taking a look at the not utterly genious writing of Drew, I can't help but come to the conclusion that it would not be an "uncontroversial" scenario either. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 juin 2013 - 07:11 .

[Jukaga]

Tron Mega wrote...

harbinger.

by far, harbinger.

Don't see the appeal, he had the personality of a 10 year old schoolyard bully, not the perspective of a billion year old genocidal construct.

[GimmeDaGun]

Jukaga wrote...

Tron Mega wrote...

harbinger.

by far, harbinger.

Don't see the appeal, he had the personality of a 10 year old schoolyard bully, not the perspective of a billion year old genocidal construct.

It alway reminded me of that skull faced guy from that old cartoon, He-Man. Never could take it seriously. Actually I'm happy that they did not force Harbinger into the ME3 plot as a "main villain".

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Watch it from 5.20! If you end your game with lines like those... you simply can't back down just like that. In this case they pretty much ended the game with the exact promise of "the reapers are coming and Shepard will try to stop them".

Vigil Said that the Reapers are trapped in Dark space, Shepard, in a certain scene , makes a claim that the reapers are coming, and Unfortunatly for your position, this statement, as well as yours, is based on nothing. Shepard's only information on the Reapers comes from Sovereign and Vigil, neither which claimed that there was a plan B to enter the galaxy, infact Vigil outright contradicted it, meaning that we're left with two contradictory statements, and given that all of Shepard's information on the Reapers come from two sources, with no further intelligance on the subject at all, I would point to vigil as the most credibly source of information.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
This is how you build up anticipation. And that was Drew, my friend.

First: That's only your interpetation and opinion, I believe it is an unsported statment.
Second:I'm not your friend.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Now imagine the fan-base's backlash if they dared to continue the trilogy by ignoring the promise of the first game and leave the reapers in dark space.

Which they never made, In ME1. and they've broken more promises, so what does it matter anyway?

GimmeDaGun wrote...
The whole first game was about to build the foundations for the reaper invasion. It was the exposition. At this point you either fulfill your promise (and people were expecting the reapers' arival by that time) or you don't continue you're story. 

Or either you have to start to understand the basics of reasoning and storytelling, because if you believe that the Reapers' arrival was gueranteed in ME1 then you obviously know very little on those subjects.

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 07:11 .

[Lady Sif]

Harbinger, ME2 crew, Kaidan, and Ash 

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Watch it from 5.20! If you end your game with lines like those... you simply can't back down just like that. In this case they pretty much ended the game with the exact promise of "the reapers are coming and Shepard will try to stop them".

Vigil Said that the Reapers are trapped in Dark space, Shepard, in a certain scene , makes a claim that the reapers are coming, and Unfortunatly for your position, this statement, as well as yours, is based on nothing. Shepard's only information on the Reapers comes from Sovereign and Vigil, neither which claimed that there was a plan B to enter the galaxy, infact Vigil outright contradicted it, meaning that we're left with two contradictory statements, and given that all of Shepard's information on the Reapers come from two sources, with no further intelligance on the subject at all, I would point to vigil as the most credibly source of information.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
This is how you build up anticipation. And that was Drew, my friend.

First: That's only your interpetation and opinion, I believe it is an unsported statment.
Second:I'm not your friend.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Now imagine the fan-base's backlash if they dared to continue the trilogy by ignoring the promise of the first game and leave the reapers in dark space.

Which they never made, In ME1. and they've broken more promises, so what does it matter anyway?

GimmeDaGun wrote...
The whole first game was about to build the foundations for the reaper invasion. It was the exposition. At this point you either fulfill your promise (and people were expecting the reapers' arival by that time) or you don't continue you're story. 

Or either you have to start to understand the basics of reasoning and storytelling, because if you believe that the Reapers' arrival was gueranteed in ME1 then you obviously know very little on those subjects.

Ok, if you say so. In that case I know very little of the basics of reasoning and storytelling. Have it your way, my fri... sorry... pal.  Happy posting! 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 juin 2013 - 07:17 .

[GimmeDaGun]

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Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 juin 2013 - 07:17 .

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Ok, if you say so. I know very little of the basics of reasoning and storytelling. Have it your way, my fri... sorry, pal.  Happy posting! 

Then maybe you should think twice before posting such a meaningless post and instead do some research on the subjects, this way you might have known something about the Hasty generalization fallacy.

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 07:21 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Ok, if you say so. I know very little of the basics of reasoning and storytelling. Have it your way, my fri... sorry, pal.  Happy posting! 

Then maybe you should think twice before posting such a meaningless post and instead do some research on the subjects, this way you might have known something about the Hasty generalization fallacy.

Alright...:lol: I guess you lost your sarcasm detector somewhere... oh, but nevermind. It is always truly amusing to read when someone so much more intelligent, and sharp witted reveales the unquestionable and factual truth to me, showint my errors. It's truly very humbling...  Carry on! 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 juin 2013 - 07:29 .

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Alright...:lol: I guess you lost your sarcasm detector somewhere... oh, but nevermind. It was truly amusing, reading you.  Carry on! 

No, I just have high hopes that even people who make posts which such highly questionable levels of intelligance will come to their sense some day and start being a productive, construtive and critical part of this community.

[CronoDragoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Then maybe you should think twice before posting such a meaningless post and instead do some research on the subjects, this way you might have known something about the Hasty generalization fallacy.

Too bad he's right about Mass Effect 1 establishing the expectation that the Reapers are coming.

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Alright...:lol: I guess you lost your sarcasm detector somewhere... oh, but nevermind. It was truly amusing, reading you.  Carry on! 

No, I just have high hopes that even people who make posts which such highly questionable levels of intelligance will come to their sense some day and start being a productive, construtive and critical part of this community.

Count me out... but thank God, we have you here. 

[Fixers0]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Too bad he's right about Mass Effect 1 establishing the expectation that the Reapers are coming.

Too bad that nothing about that claim can be objectively deduced from the narrative.

[KaiserShep]

Another user pointed out the unfortunate hook that committed the entire trilogy to the arrival of the reapers. That one line retcon'd itself, but it's easy to forget.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Legion, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Kirrahe in particular. All the ME 2 characters in general.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 13 juin 2013 - 07:34 .

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Count me out... but thank God, we have you here. 

I don't give my hopes up, even you will see the light some day, though it does make me wonder why you'd keep making post which exbith a very questionable level of inteligence.

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 07:37 .

[CronoDragoon]

Fixers0 wrote...

Too bad that nothing about that claim can be objectively deduced from the narrative.

Besides the main character saying it will happen, which you tried to brush aside without addressing the concept of reader expectation and authorial promises?

[KaiserShep]

Fixers0 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Too bad he's right about Mass Effect 1 establishing the expectation that the Reapers are coming.

Too bad that nothing about that claim can be objectively deduced from the narrative.

No, it can't. Unfortunately, though, both Shepard and Anderson (or Udina?) lay on their little speeches that essentially hook the trilogy into an impending bout with the reapers in some fashion anyway. Problem is that they didn't address it properly in the sequels. I guess with the narrative as is, you could just chalk it up to Shepard being vigilant (or paranoid) and the story could potentially end right there if you wish. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 13 juin 2013 - 07:36 .