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[GimmeDaGun]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Jadebaby wrote...

Does Drew Karpyshyn count?

I honestly doubt Drew would have done any better. 

I don't get the love for him. He's proven to be just as bad as SuperMac and CHud at some things.

People love to delude themselves. Drew came up with the dark energy theme, which would have made the whole third game darker (by the ending they planned for that scenario). Also the whole logic behind that issue would raise a lot more questions: fighting against dark energy by turning each organic civilization into space cyborgs which use dark energy... and by creating huge dark energy relays in order to prevent civilizations to use dark energy by encouraging them to use it... eeerrr... no wonder they scrapped that idea. 

Also it was Drew who wrote the whole trilogy into a corner by ME1's reaper lore: their numbers are great, they outmach the whole galacitc community in technological advancement, knowledge, experience, firepower etc. etc.. Also they hold the whole galaxy in their hands: the relay system is theirs and the Citadel also... they could take it in a whim decapitating the galactic community and shut down the relays, isolating each system from the other, paralysing the whole galaxy: instant victory (Shep would strand in one of the systems). And the ending of ME1 promised that these creatures would come, no matter what, so there was no way to backtrack the plot of the sequels from the imminent reaper invasion. The guys (Mac and co.) who inherited the helm from him had to retcon a few things in order to make the whole trilogy work: the whole idea of the Crucible, making the reapers not to take the Citadel without any explaination. These things caused a few problems in the writing of ME3. This is all due to the heritage of Drew. 

It's easy to say that Drew is such a genious out of nostalgie, but he's not better than the rest of the guys, if you think about his writing in ME1 and ME2 for more than a minute. Also ME1 has its own share of logical flaws and derps (I'm talking about the main plot). 

So people may hate Mac for what he has done with ME3, but if it was Drew who took the helm, now everybody would hate him instead of Mac, I'd stake my life on it. 

I'm talking about how Drew did a craptastic job with his Revan novels.

His Bane novels aren't that good either.

Well, I tried to read his ME novels, but found his style very boring... I just couldn't make myself read them. Me, a ME fan. Maybe I'm just too used to quality literature and classics, but his style just did not cut it for me. If I want some quality pulp, I read Lovecraft, Clive Baker, Shapkowski or Stephen King etc.. But Drew's writing styile is not for me. I'm not criticizing his ability to write a decent story, but the way he writes.

[SlottsMachine]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Jack, pretty much the epitome of wasted potential.

To be fair, which characters aren't wasted potential at this point. None of them really amounted to anything, maybe Mordin but that's it.

[Bleachrude]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...
The only assumption I made is that the reapers went to dark space inbetween the Milky way and our closest galactic neighbour (the large magellanic cloud).

Everything else is factual (the LMC IS only 160,000 light years away) or lore based (ME FTL via normal means is only 15 ly/day).

Again, there's nothing to my knowledge saying that you can't simply fly between galaxies (there's no Barrier a la what the TOS Star Trek had ---that was a complete fabrication on Trek's part to my knowledge).

Yet, one assumption that keeps getting me is that you believe that the Reapers have the capabilty to perform such as actions, which ME1 didn't prove, infact it only provided evidence in the opposite direction, seeing as to how the Reapers needed the Citadel to actually enter the galaxy, or other they would be trapped, which the narrative never effetively challenges.

Again...I'm not sure what "action" you believe I'm assuming that the reapers can't do. In ME1, we already know that the reapers are more technically advanced and tougher (Sovereign being able to planetfall and lift off left everyone dropping their jaws as this was considered impossible for something of that size plus the fact that sovereign LITERALLY ran over a cruiser and didn't even mess up his paint job)

You can't TRAP anything in darkspace as there is no such thing as a door/lock/barrier between galaxies. Darkspace is simply a region of space with no stars around. Now, if Sovereign and the reapers were written to be more limited in terms of physics aka "need to discharge like everyone else", then yes, I can see how the reapers would be trapped.

But this requires making the reapers closer to the level of the regular races (and I thought ME3 ALREADY wekened the reapers from what we say/were told in ME1)

[CronoDragoon]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Well, I tried to read his ME novels, but found his style very boring... I just couldn't make myself read them. Me, a ME fan. Maybe I'm just too used to quality literature and classics, but his style just did not cut it for me. If I want some quality pulp, I read Lovecraft, Clive Baker, Shapkowski or Stephen King etc.. But Drew's writing styile is not for me. I'm not criticizing his ability to write a decent story, but the way he writes.

His prose is predictable and unsophisticated, and I don't think it's unfair to say so. Hell, S.D. Perry's Resident Evil novels contain more clever turns of phrase than Drew's ME novels.

[Bleachrude]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't mind the ME2 large cast at all.. It was a Rogue's Gallery, for the most part. A great team for a Renegade. Even the goody types were Renegade, like Samara and Archangel Garrus. It fleshed out the more lawless "civilian" world of Mass Effect and got away from official channels and Alliance types.

I agree with this. Even though ME1 setup the universe, it was ME2 that by far fleshed out the actual setting the best.

From a closer look at the genophage to the explanation of why "pureblood" asari are frowned on to evev making the Hanar more than jokes by introducing Thane and the drell, ME2 did an incredible job...

Didn't do anything for the overall plot of course and it rightly gets blasted for that failing but as a setting expansion? One of the best games for any franchise IMO.

[Fixers0]

Bleachrude wrote...

Again...I'm not sure what "action" you believe I'm assuming that the reapers can't do. In ME1, we already know that the reapers are more technically advanced and tougher (Sovereign being able to planetfall and lift off left everyone dropping their jaws as this was considered impossible for something of that size plus the fact that sovereign LITERALLY ran over a cruiser and didn't even mess up his paint job)

The Action, that is  traveling from Dark space to the Milkey way with the use of the Citadel Relay.

The Second part can be easily counterd by it's nature that is a fallicious logical reasoing, Just because the Reapers are A, (very advanced), doesn't mean they are B ( being able enter the Milkey way without the use of the Citadel relay).

Bleachrude wrote...
You can't TRAP anything in darkspace as there is no such thing as a door/lock/barrier between galaxies. Darkspace is simply a region of space with no stars around. Now, if Sovereign and the reapers were written to be more limited in terms of physics aka "need to discharge like everyone else", then yes, I can see how the reapers would be trapped.

But, whas it ever mentioned in ME1, that they didn't have to discharge?

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 08:35 .

[Bleachrude]

Fixers0, you're STILL not understanding me.

There is NO PHYSICAL reason stopping anything from moving between galaxies. There's no wall, no barrier, no lock between galaxies. The normandy for example could pass beyond the edge of our galaxy and there would be no phyiscal implement stopping them.

re: Discharge
That's the one physics reason that could stop them. But as mentioned earlier in the thread, both Shepard and Anderson seem to think that this won't stop the reapers as Shepard mentions that the reapers are coming.

What you seem to be doing is discounting what Shepard says and focusing only on what Vigil (a prothean VI...not even an AI I might add) says

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

Bleachrude wrote...

Again...I'm not sure what "action" you believe I'm assuming that the reapers can't do. In ME1, we already know that the reapers are more technically advanced and tougher (Sovereign being able to planetfall and lift off left everyone dropping their jaws as this was considered impossible for something of that size plus the fact that sovereign LITERALLY ran over a cruiser and didn't even mess up his paint job)

The Action, that is  traveling from Dark space to the Milkey way with the use of the Citadel Relay.

The Second part can be easily counterd by it's nature that is a fallicious logical reasoing, Just because the Reapers are A, (very advanced), doesn't mean they are B ( being able enter the Milkey way without the use of the Citadel relay).

Bleachrude wrote...
You can't TRAP anything in darkspace as there is no such thing as a door/lock/barrier between galaxies. Darkspace is simply a region of space with no stars around. Now, if Sovereign and the reapers were written to be more limited in terms of physics aka "need to discharge like everyone else", then yes, I can see how the reapers would be trapped.

But, whas it ever mentioned in ME1, that they didn't have to discharge?

Personal it may be, but an honest question: Are you in any way able to participate in a conversation without trying to humble the other's mental abilities and level of intelligence or the person's abilty to reason (which is not a very nice thing, obviously)? Just asking, because the way you debate shows only one thing, which is that you are arrogant as hell and don't even care to try to understand what the other one intends to say. 

No offence pal, but you truly don't make an enjoyable party for a debate or conversation by your attitude and behavior. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 juin 2013 - 08:44 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Bleachrude wrote...

Fixers0, you're STILL not understanding me.

There is NO PHYSICAL reason stopping anything from moving between galaxies. There's no wall, no barrier, no lock between galaxies. The normandy for example could pass beyond the edge of our galaxy and there would be no phyiscal implement stopping them.

re: Discharge
That's the one physics reason that could stop them. But as mentioned earlier in the thread, both Shepard and Anderson seem to think that this won't stop the reapers as Shepard mentions that the reapers are coming.

What you seem to be doing is discounting what Shepard says and focusing only on what Vigil (a prothean VI...not even an AI I might add) says

I don't even get why you waste your breath. Judging by his answers he does not even care about what you say. It's ok if he does not agree with you... but as far as I can see, the only thing you do here is talking to a brick wall. I would have dropped this whole conversation after the first time he did nothing but questioned your ability to reason. I did that... 

[Fixers0]

Bleachrude wrote...
There is NO PHYSICAL reason stopping anything from moving between galaxies. There's no wall, no barrier, no lock between galaxies. The normandy for example could pass beyond the edge of our galaxy and there would be no phyiscal implement stopping them.

I never proposed the existance a physical barricade, I'm just questioning the Reapers capabilty of entering the galaxy without the use of the Citadel Relay, seeing that narrative makes a quite a step in the opposite direction.

Bleachrude wrote...
That's the one physics reason that could stop them. But as mentioned earlier in the thread, both Shepard and Anderson seem to think that this won't stop the reapers as Shepard mentions that the reapers are coming.

And, what knowledge do Anderson and Shepard have to make such a claim? in fact by making this stament they're contradicting their only know information on this point, that is vigil.

It's a rather atypical example of the Affirming the consquent, that is P, then Q, and Q therfore P.

[GimmeDaGun]

CronoDragoon wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Well, I tried to read his ME novels, but found his style very boring... I just couldn't make myself read them. Me, a ME fan. Maybe I'm just too used to quality literature and classics, but his style just did not cut it for me. If I want some quality pulp, I read Lovecraft, Clive Baker, Shapkowski or Stephen King etc.. But Drew's writing styile is not for me. I'm not criticizing his ability to write a decent story, but the way he writes.

His prose is predictable and unsophisticated, and I don't think it's unfair to say so. Hell, S.D. Perry's Resident Evil novels contain more clever turns of phrase than Drew's ME novels.

Yeah, that's what I think about his style too. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Kaidan, I would have liked to have him more often than just the second half of the game.
Harbinger
Starkid

[Silentblaze]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Silentblaze wrote...

Imported LI (insert your waifu) should've had a bigger role or at as a member of the Normandy team. This would've been a special bonus slot for returning ME players who import a save. I'm certain at least half the fans would've wanted their LI from the previous game in the crew roster.

No, this whole space-waifu fetish is way over the top already. They had a big enough role. I don't get why so many get excited about these romance options, when the romance subplot is just an optional bonus feature, but the game and the story is not about that. Some here treat these plastic dolls like they were real people... I might risk saying that some fans genuienly fell in love with their Shep's "LI". 

Simple, the romance plots were satisfying and consistent all the way to the end unlike the Main Plot, which lead to FUBAR endings funerals that really have no difference in any choice.  Funerals I calls them because they killed my desire to play or even care about the main story.

Prior to the "endings" I could've agreed with you.  After seeing them ,however, I want those "optional bonus features" stories more so than the main plot because they won't remind me of the funerals that await me once all my "choices" are made. 

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Personal it may be, but an honest question: Are you in any way able to participate in a conversation without trying to humble the other's mental abilities and level of intelligence or the person's abilty to reason (which is not a very nice thing, obviously)? Just asking, because the way you debate shows only one thing, which is that you are arrogant as hell and don't even care to try to understand what the other one intends to say. 

No offence pal, but you truly don't make an enjoyable party for a debate or conversation by your attitude and behavior. 

I just  use facts and logic, sorry, if that's not you like, but I will continue to use them.

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 08:53 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Personal it may be, but an honest question: Are you in any way able to participate in a conversation without trying to humble the other's mental abilities and level of intelligence or the person's abilty to reason (which is not a very nice thing, obviously)? Just asking, because the way you debate shows only one thing, which is that you are arrogant as hell and don't even care to try to understand what the other one intends to say. 

No offence pal, but you truly don't make an enjoyable party for a debate or conversation by your attitude and behavior. 

I just facts and logic, sorry, if that's what you like, but I will continue to use them.

Being logical and trying to be factual does not necessarrily come with the arrogance you showcased here in some of your posts. Sorry. You can make your point, even make the other party reconsider his stance without arrogant remarks about his or her reasoning or without questioning the one's ability to think, or the level of his or her intelligecne etc. That's not being factual and logical, that's being a jerk. There's nothing intelligent about that. Sorry, to say that, but that's how I see it. 


This way the only thing you achieve is to make yourself look ridiculous.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 13 juin 2013 - 08:59 .

[Fixers0]

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Being logical and trying to be factual does not necessarrily come with the arrogance you showcased here in some of your posts. Sorry. You can make your point, even make the other party reconsider his stance without arrogant remarks about his or her reasoning or the ability to think, level of intelligecne etc. That's not being factual and logical, that's being a jerk. There's nothing intelligent about that. Sorry, to say that, but that's how I see it. 

As far as I can recall in this thread, I only made comments regarding inteligence to a certain posts made by you and you alone, which, from my Pov, contain a rather questionable level of ussage of logic, which I only in regards to your posts, to you as a person.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
This way the only thing you achieve is to make yourself look ridiculous.

Perhaps, but i have to say is that  your behaviour in you're last few posts are what we consider in our language to be "huilie huilie,"

Modifié par Fixers0, 13 juin 2013 - 09:04 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Fixers0 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...
Being logical and trying to be factual does not necessarrily come with the arrogance you showcased here in some of your posts. Sorry. You can make your point, even make the other party reconsider his stance without arrogant remarks about his or her reasoning or the ability to think, level of intelligecne etc. That's not being factual and logical, that's being a jerk. There's nothing intelligent about that. Sorry, to say that, but that's how I see it. 

As far as I can recall in this thread, I only made comments regarding inteligence to a certain posts made by you and you alone, which, from my Pov, contain a rather questionable level of ussage of logic, which I only in regards to your posts, to you as a person.

GimmeDaGun wrote...
This way the only thing you achieve is to make yourself look ridiculous.

Perhaps, but i have to say thay you're last few posts are what we consider in our language to be "huilie huilie,"

Yeah, it was very nice of you indeed. You showed real class there. Especially that I just tried to have a normal conversation there while you started to mock me out of the blue. I don't speak your language, but you don't even have to translate it for me in order to make me understand what it may mean. 

I was just making jokes about your arrogance in a silly but friendly manner, in order to make you understand that I did not dig the things you said about my level of intelligence. But as far as I can see, you're sense of humour is not top notch either. 

Ok, I drop it. I see that I'm in no position to make you understand what you did was pretty rude and unintelligent. 

[Mr.House]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't mind the ME2 large cast at all.. It was a Rogue's Gallery, for the most part. A great team for a Renegade. Even the goody types were Renegade, like Samara and Archangel Garrus. It fleshed out the more lawless "civilian" world of Mass Effect and got away from official channels and Alliance types.

This would be fine for a standalone, not for a middle chapter of a trilogy. It's poor planning and writing. Once Bioware made the suicide mission and made it possible for these 12 characters to die, they shot themselves in the foot and they where never going to please the fans of the ME2 characters. People where also warned what happen in ME3 would happen but they refused to listen and kept saying Bioware would not do that(depsite doing that to the ME characters in ME2)

Each game is a stand alone adventure, made that way thus everything suffers.

[GimmeDaGun]

Silentblaze wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Silentblaze wrote...

Imported LI (insert your waifu) should've had a bigger role or at as a member of the Normandy team. This would've been a special bonus slot for returning ME players who import a save. I'm certain at least half the fans would've wanted their LI from the previous game in the crew roster.

No, this whole space-waifu fetish is way over the top already. They had a big enough role. I don't get why so many get excited about these romance options, when the romance subplot is just an optional bonus feature, but the game and the story is not about that. Some here treat these plastic dolls like they were real people... I might risk saying that some fans genuienly fell in love with their Shep's "LI". 

Simple, the romance plots were satisfying and consistent all the way to the end unlike the Main Plot, which lead to FUBAR endings funerals that really have no difference in any choice.  Funerals I calls them because they killed my desire to play or even care about the main story.

Prior to the "endings" I could've agreed with you.  After seeing them ,however, I want those "optional bonus features" stories more so than the main plot because they won't remind me of the funerals that await me once all my "choices" are made. 

Ok, I get it, but I still don't see why would we need more romantic stuff in a story which is not primarily about romances. Plust the Citadel dlc gave fans an opportunity to play around with the LI sublplots a bit more. 

The only thing that irks me is the way some treat the potential LIs here... 

[Bleachrude]

Fixers0 wrote...


And, what knowledge do Anderson and Shepard have to make such a claim? in fact by making this stament they're contradicting their only know information on this point, that is vigil.

It's a rather atypical example of the Affirming the consquent, that is P, then Q, and Q therfore P.

(Hey, isn't that the problem with the main plot of ME1 ANYWAY....Saren and Sovereign don't know what the conduit is, but then we find out their plans involve using the conduit to stage a strike at the council chambers even though they don't know what the conduit is?)

At least you acknowledge that in ME1, the game ENDS with them telling us that the reapers are coming...

The only person that says the reapers are trapped is Vigil but here's the thing about Vigil. How would vigil know that the reapers are trapped? Remember, the trip to the citadel with the mass relay was a one way trip thus the prothean scientists couldn't tell Vigil waht the hell they did or what they discovered.

Now, if you want to argue that this is a misstep by the writers by forcing the reapers arrival, that itself is debateable. I'm personally NOT convinced that this is a bad thing since it gave an overarching plot behind the trilogy instead of simply meandering around.

ME gets compared a lot to Babylon 5 and I always thought that once the resolution between the shadows and the vorlons was over, the show itself seemed to have no clue/idea as to what to do with tiself....Indeed, DS9 is consdiered the strongest of the Trek series from a narrative sense and that worked because of the overarching Dominion/wormhole plotline.

Modifié par Bleachrude, 13 juin 2013 - 09:37 .

[Fixers0]

Bleachrude wrote...
At least you acknowledge that in ME1, the game ENDS with them telling us that the reapers are coming...

I never denied that, you must understand however that there is a difference

Bleachrude wrote...
The only person that says the reapers are trapped is Vigil but here's the thing about Vigil. How would vigil know that the reapers are trapped? Remember, the trip to the citadel with the mass relay was a one way trip thus the prothean scientists couldn't tell Vigil waht the hell they did or what they discovered.

Yet on the otherhand, where as Shepard makes statments contradicting the only source of information recieved by the Reapers so far, with Vigil it remained largely ambigious, but unless he was intenionally decieving Shepard and co, why would he makes such a stament in the first place?

Bleachrude wrote...
Now, if you want to argue that this is a misstep by the writers by forcing the reapers arrival, that itself is debateable. I'm personally NOT convinced that this is a bad thing since it gave an overarching plot behind the trilogy instead of simply meandering around.

The Reapers themselfs (Should have been) are the overarching plot, their arrival is merely parts of it.

[Jorji Costava]

As far as B5 goes, my understanding is that the original plan was for the Shadow war to occupy all of season 4, while the Earth civil war would take up season 5. But the writers didn't know if they were going to get renewed for a fifth season, so they crammed both of those storylines into S4. By the time they did get renewed, they had exhausted all their best story ideas.

Going back to the original post, the character I would most like to have had a bigger role is ME's greatest character ever: Ethan Jeong. But in all seriousness, there was a running thread in ME1 about these gigantic (and usually corrupt) corporations like Exogeni, Binary Helix, etc., but this thread was mostly dropped in subsequent games. I would have liked to see where this particular thread might have gone the later games.

[Silentblaze]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Silentblaze wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Silentblaze wrote...

Imported LI (insert your waifu) should've had a bigger role or at as a member of the Normandy team. This would've been a special bonus slot for returning ME players who import a save. I'm certain at least half the fans would've wanted their LI from the previous game in the crew roster.

No, this whole space-waifu fetish is way over the top already. They had a big enough role. I don't get why so many get excited about these romance options, when the romance subplot is just an optional bonus feature, but the game and the story is not about that. Some here treat these plastic dolls like they were real people... I might risk saying that some fans genuienly fell in love with their Shep's "LI". 

Simple, the romance plots were satisfying and consistent all the way to the end unlike the Main Plot, which lead to FUBAR endings funerals that really have no difference in any choice.  Funerals I calls them because they killed my desire to play or even care about the main story.

Prior to the "endings" I could've agreed with you.  After seeing them ,however, I want those "optional bonus features" stories more so than the main plot because they won't remind me of the funerals that await me once all my "choices" are made. 

Ok, I get it, but I still don't see why would we need more romantic stuff in a story which is not primarily about romances. Plust the Citadel dlc gave fans an opportunity to play around with the LI sublplots a bit more. 

The only thing that irks me is the way some treat the potential LIs here... 

Heh yeah some people get too attached to their LI wuving, I've seen it enough on BSN. 

Personally, I would've picked to have ALL the squad characters come back to the Normandy crew.  But since this thread says pick one I think most, like me, would choose "imported LI" as their choice.

[HiddenInWar]

Miranda and Grunt.

i want my krogan baby back.