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[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

lol @ GimmeDaGun. You take it more seriously than the fanatics you're condemning.

Arcian wrote...

She was given way too much space in ME3, to be honest. A lot of her scenes could have been used with LI's instead.

Fair enough, then I change my answer to LI, tbh. Which by proxy is Liara, tbh.

Win-win.

.... we need an angry emoticon, the devil doesn't cut it.  Neither does the annoyed one...

[Jonathan Seagull]

While I have no desire to fuel this particular fire, I'll say that I wouldn't have minded if Harbinger had a little more to do. I'm fine with the game as is, but I have to admit that I have a fantasy scene in my head where Shepard fights against an avatar of Harbinger. And when you win the fight, Shepard beats the hell out of the avatar and (in a Crowning Moment of Awesome that is incredibly cool in my head, where it shall forever stay) grabs the avatar, says "I know you feel this!" And then murder-knifes it with his omni-blade.

Otherwise, I would have been happy to see Miranda have a bigger part, given the storyline and the likelihood that she survived ME2. Even so, I wouldn't say that I'm actually dissatisfied with what was there. She does appear several different times throughout the game, including during a pivotal mission.

Modifié par Jonathan Seagull, 15 juin 2013 - 07:30 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Zazzerka wrote...

lol @ GimmeDaGun. You take it more seriously than the fanatics you're condemning.

Arcian wrote...

She was given way too much space in ME3, to be honest. A lot of her scenes could have been used with LI's instead.

Fair enough, then I change my answer to LI, tbh. Which by proxy is Liara, tbh.

Win-win.

The LI question? No, I don't. The phenomena? Yes, I find it quite weird and stupid. 

[Wynterdust]

LI I guess would be the obvious answer.
Otherwise Miranda definitly since she was such a key character in ME2. She would have made a good temporary squadmate for Cronos Station.
I would say the rest of the ME2 crew but most of them were sorted by Citadel IMO.
Maybe utilising Harbinger although he was somewhat undermined by the Catalyst. Unless you interpret/headcannon that he is actually Harbinger.

Oh, and Kal'Reegar. Was surprised not to see him during the Rannoch storyline to be honest.

[FlamingBoy]

I have been reading this thread on and off, and I have to say, despite the fact I did not originally agree, there is a pretty damn compelling case for Miranda having a larger role.

[David7204]

And what case is that?

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

And what case is that?

Well personally I hated Miranda, But the fact that cerberus took the role as one of the major functions of the plot (I mean you talk to illusive man at the climax) that the fact that you couldn't reap the benefit from the character who was secound in command of the most imporant organization in the game (they played a minor role in me1 and a major role in me2 and me3).

I think thats a pretty compelling argument.

[David7204]

Okay. So what, specifically, do you think Miranda could do concerning Cerberus? What impact would there be if she's dead?

[FlamingBoy]

David7204 wrote...

Okay. So what, specifically, do you think Miranda could do concerning Cerberus? What impact would there be if she's dead?

First question     :
Secound in command, hence anything she says regarding cerberus is plausble. Specifics are not relevant simply because of her postion.

Secound Question:
Let your imagination run wild friend, mine certainly did before ME3 was released

[Kataphrut94]

What I've found is that you can use a character's prominence in Mass Effect 3 to retroactively gauge their popularity circa Mass Effect 2. The reason Garrus has such a big part in Mass Effect 3 despite his relatively minor role in 2 was because he was far and a way the most popular squadmate - statistically, he was the most used party member and the fans ate him up. You can say the same of Tali, Mordin & Legion whom were similarly beloved and also played big roles in 3.

As for Miranda, the reason she pops up infrequently in Mass Effect 3, is unusually focused on her young sister, and has about six different chances to die, all stem from common criticisms of her character circa ME2. People thought she was arrogant, shallow, melodramatic and unfairly plot-armoured. Bioware, in their naivety, decided to cater to the fanbase by toning down her arrogance, expanding on her genuinely caring relationship with her sister and retroactively making her as easy to kill off as everybody else from Mass Effect 2. They even made her leave Cerberus, which was also a controversial thing at the time.

Now, she's apparently the number one most popular character and a martyr to the brillient riting and way deep plotz of Mass Effect 2 and Cerberus. You could say the same of Harbinger as well. Basically, we only have ourselves to blame.

[FlamingBoy]

The customer is never to blame, all problems come from the developers. This is how the business model works!

Following about Miranda:
Well she was shallow, arrogant, and melodramatic (among other things) in me2, Shes not that interesting.

What do I mean by not interesting? I will tell you

After playing me2 I got all I needed to know about her, what was presented in me2 was the extent of her personality. She was not a complex character.

[Zehealingman]

More Miranda, Jack and more VS wouldn't hurt.

[conjmk]

Kaidan's ass.

[HarbingerCollector]

Arcian wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

Liara, tbh.

She was given way too much space in ME3, to be honest. A lot of her scenes could have been used with LI's instead.

agree 100%
Liara has too much focus on,like Bioware wanted to make you consider the other romances invalid,that she's the true 'Love'.
or make that stupid Garrus X Tali 
on topic i'll say
Harbinger.that guy gave me an impression that in ME3 would have been a Story Key Villain,instead in ME3,he appears only once briefly on Earth, he beams us and leaves,he doesn't even say a word to you,to be never seen again,
so why he was so interested in shepard and in Humans all along?why bothering making a human reaper at all?
pffff lets make only cerberus and Ninja Leng,much awesome villians.and let's make all reapers look like the same,is cooler \\sarcasm
Dark Energy Plot was supposed to be the true plot and meaning of the human reaper,but   and Starchild **** replaced that brilliant plot,making the reapers appear like mindless slaves and their role is nothing but heavy infantry
less Cerberus and TIM stuff,for god's sake,is okay for me fightning them in some levels,but in ME3 they're in EVERY level except rannoch\\quarian story,we're fightning cerberus more than the reapers themselfs(true enemy)
Wrex or Grunt,maybe joining our squad instead of Vega,i like Krogans a lot more than a steroid pumped brute that Bioware Gave us to replace the Krogan squad member.i'd liked more role for them,they're in my favourite characters list.
Legion
why legion had to die?
why he just didn't exctracted the reaper code from his platform,and then when all geth have it,just copy back the code again , .'Insufficient Code' was just a lazy reason to kill him,since the Reaper code auto-restores in a matter of seconds to his full length.
it would have been great having him as a full squadmate,telling how he feels now he's an individual
though i don't recognize him anymore,in ME2 he said that the Geth refused reapers offer to load them into a reaper, and that the Geth 'must build their own future',but in ME3 legion changes mind and thinks using Reaper Tech is now good,and they accept Reaper help to exterminate the quarians(Boohoo quarians hurt me,now i got to big brother Harbinger that will kill bad bad quarians)
i hated how ME3 considered ME2 choices near nothing,you told the quarians to try to make peace with Geth? Nope Bioware maked them go at war anyway to make look like the Quarian like stupid Monsters and Geth look like Innocent Puppies,while when  they  are 'strong'  they don't hesitate to kill every single quarian 'in self defense',even the children,now the geth are near reaper like,congratulations,i don't know how people can accept this.
 Mordin's sacrifice :crying:he's the best. with that,even there's his Squadmate file in the Coalesced,i wished that he could have survived Tuchanka and make him work in the normandy's Laboratory,and giving medical advice 
reintroduce Kal Reegar,that was supposed to appear in ME3 Rannoch Story Phase,
Remove Zaeed-like Dialogue,that is one of the things I hated in ME3, especially the LI looked like that s\\he doesn't give a **** about you,while maybe chats with another squadmate all the time about old times?really?why can't i talk of old times with them? 'Hey Shepard' ,not now,Hey,hi,is all they have to say? 'maybe in another moment' garrus?i can stand with it until the final mission, but  even before priority Earth is beyond ridiculous .
for example,Tali that is my LI,she has only ONE cinematic cutscene on the normandy where i can actually talk to her without that zaeed like thing,after that,all conversations are  'Yay autodialogue'
it just discourage the player to go around the ship and talk to squadmates,since all they  can say is that.
i'd loved if Bioware did like in Kotor 2.where your companions have key roles in the story,like saving you from that Exchange Boss Ship,or choose and control the group to eliminate Sith Guys in Freedon Nadd's Tomb while you guide your group on Onderon,actual dialogue beetween you and  squadmates or beetween themselves,or the jealousies in romance,that's what i wanted to be applied in ME3. use the ME2 suicide mission style in more parts of the main storyline,so that every squadmate has his usefulness.
don't take it wrong i liked ME3,i just wished these characters to be more present
sorry if i went OT,but i thinked that the characters problems should have been included

Modifié par HarbingerCollector, 15 juin 2013 - 02:20 .

[RadicalDisconnect]

ME2 Legion.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Accidental double post.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 17 juin 2013 - 11:15 .

[o Ventus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I always get confused at the people complaining about a lack of romance content in ME3 myself; overall I felt there was a lot more than in previous games. And it tended to get integrated into conversations throughout the game, rather than ME1/2's rather awkward system of two-conversations-then-sex-scene romances that seemed to exist in some sort of vacuum.

Because for every single character who isn't Tali or Garrus, it's the exact same scenario that you say you don't like.

[HarbingerCollector]

I1 Trust wrote...
 What was the point of the LotSB DLC? 

 the whole DLC was fanservice for liaramancers that whined about her 'supposed' missed role in ME2,another reason is because Mac Walters is obsessed with Liara.and we see the ME2 LIs are penalized in ME3 in favour of Liara

Modifié par HarbingerCollector, 20 juin 2013 - 09:21 .

[naes1984]

Your ME2 companions. I'd prefer that the writers didn't contrive one excuse after another to keep them from joining you to the extent that it got ridiculous. It would have made more sense for them to have stuck around Shepherd after learning the truth of the Reapers. For God's sake, Samara has a 1000 year life span but she goes back to hunting criminals as a justicar. Zaeed is a mercenary; you should have been able to pay him to join. Grunt said that you his battlemaster and find the best fights but yet he still leaves. Kasumi's excuse is that she's a coward. Instead I'm stuck with a bunch of boring people like Vega and Kaiden/Asley, Fembot, Liara, and Javik.

Modifié par naes1984, 20 juin 2013 - 09:56 .

[Swass Effect]

They should have done a poll or something after me2 to see who survived the most among playthroughs and gave them a bigger role. I felt a lot of characters got the boot role wise because they didn't want to waste resources on a character that may or may not be dead. Re-playing Miranda's loyalty mission sucked, Wrex got a pretty big role considering he may not even survive ME1 why doesn't Thane or Samara or even your supposed best friend/Love interest in Kaiden/Ashley get a bigger role. Had little to no conversations with them and I felt less attachement to them as a result.

They obviously half assed a lot of the characters because they didn't want to pool resources into a dead character. And we suffered content as a result. I was tempted to romance Miranda but after playing ME3 why bother she never joins you even temporarily. Honestly I am pretty sure just about everyone kept ME2 characters alive why not give them meaningful roles?

[Sir DeLoria]

Tali should have been recruitable earlier in both ME2 and 3. I was really angry, when they killed off Kal'Reegar per E-mail.

[Sir DeLoria]

o Ventus wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I always get confused at the people complaining about a lack of romance content in ME3 myself; overall I felt there was a lot more than in previous games. And it tended to get integrated into conversations throughout the game, rather than ME1/2's rather awkward system of two-conversations-then-sex-scene romances that seemed to exist in some sort of vacuum.

Because for every single character who isn't Tali or Garrus, it's the exact same scenario that you say you don't like.

Hah, Dextro superiority:D

[DirtyPhoenix]

wiggles89 wrote...

The Catalyst