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[IanPolaris]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

No.
The best solution is to make everyone available.
If you feel it does a "disservice to heterosexual relationships," then don't romance anyone.

I disagree.  Making everyone available and hero-sexual damages the integrity of the game world (willing suspension of disbelief) and IMHO it also comes across as pandering (which I'll be blunt: Bioware has done a lot of that lately).  Simply removing the romance options is expressly fair and equal and doesn't hurt the integrity of the game world.  It's also more cost effective since it involves removing non-essential items and actually makes the game easier to code.

Thus it would seem to be the better solution.

-Polaris

This is laugable.

No it's not.  If you take a random sampling of 10 people, how likely will it be that ALL of them are bi-sexual, or ALL (or nearly all) of them will be interested in the hero?  Not bloody likely I think.

-Polaris

[ElitePinecone]

IceHawk-181 wrote...

It is not realistic even within this fantasy setting that every single individual regardless of race or sex wants to romance the player character.

None of the romances in Bioware's games are remotely realistic. Why single out the orientation of the love interests when they're all pledging eternal love after four conversations? 

It's a role-playing and characterisation element designed to be an interesting and engaging emotional side-bar to the main quest. I'd rather the maximum number of people get the maximum amount of enjoyment out of it as possible, instead of the system pandering to a bunch of people worried that their heterosexuality will be undermined if a fictional video character propositions them. 

[IanPolaris]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

No.
The best solution is to make everyone available.
If you feel it does a "disservice to heterosexual relationships," then don't romance anyone.

I disagree.  Making everyone available and hero-sexual damages the integrity of the game world (willing suspension of disbelief) and IMHO it also comes across as pandering (which I'll be blunt: Bioware has done a lot of that lately).  Simply removing the romance options is expressly fair and equal and doesn't hurt the integrity of the game world.  It's also more cost effective since it involves removing non-essential items and actually makes the game easier to code.

Thus it would seem to be the better solution.

-Polaris

This is laugable.

No it's not.  If you take a random sampling of 10 people, how likely will it be that ALL of them are bi-sexual, or ALL (or nearly all) of them will be interested in the hero?  Not bloody likely I think.

-Polaris

[Nole]

I think there should be straight LIs. Like, in my opinion, Cullen should be straight because he was raised in the chantry and he is/was a Templar.

[franciscoamell]

I aprove of more gay characters.

My gayshep romanced Kaidan though, just saying...

[Aolbain]

GodWood wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The best solution is to make everyone available.

Or come to terms with the fact that not everyone wants the player's dick.

Honestly I miss the days where there were more restrictions such as race and morality.

I'm sure that just came out wrong because it did not put you in the best of lights. 

Edit: now I get it. Pleas ignore, 

Modifié par Aolbain, 13 juin 2013 - 07:37 .

[IanPolaris]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

Again, I ask what was wrong with the DA:O or ME2 models?

Morrigan, Miranda, Jack, and Tali were not interested in a FemPC.
Alistair, Garrus, Jacob, and Thane were not interested in a MalePC.

Oghren, Sten, Shale, Wynne, Varric, and Aveline were not interested in anybody.

Why is that suddenly a problem?

If they could give more option to everyone then not a lot of people would complain as stated many times when this topic comes up. Even Mr. Gaider stated that it would be something he prefers to do if there are enough resources to go around.

That would be my preference.  Either use enough resources to do the romances "right" (and I think all of us including DG know what I mean by 'right' in this case) or don't do them at all.

-Polaris

[sandalisthemaker]

IanPolaris wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...

No.
The best solution is to make everyone available.
If you feel it does a "disservice to heterosexual relationships," then don't romance anyone.

I disagree.  Making everyone available and hero-sexual damages the integrity of the game world (willing suspension of disbelief) and IMHO it also comes across as pandering (which I'll be blunt: Bioware has done a lot of that lately).  Simply removing the romance options is expressly fair and equal and doesn't hurt the integrity of the game world.  It's also more cost effective since it involves removing non-essential items and actually makes the game easier to code.

Thus it would seem to be the better solution.

-Polaris

This is laugable.

No it's not.  If you take a random sampling of 10 people, how likely will it be that ALL of them are bi-sexual, or ALL (or nearly all) of them will be interested in the hero?  Not bloody likely I think.

-Polaris

The real world has no bearing on Thedas.
You are advocating limiting content for a group of gamers simply because they are a minority.

[Battlebloodmage]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

GodWood wrote...

sandalisthemaker wrote...
The best solution is to make everyone available.

Or come to terms with the fact that not everyone wants the player's dick.

Honestly I miss the days where there were more restrictions such as race and morality.

Apparently they do.
I'm curious. What do you mean by "restrictions such as race."
Your 'morality' has no bearing on Thedas' , nor does it affect Bioware's stance.

I think he was referring to Baldur's Gate in which Dragon Age's a spiritual successor of.

[Battlebloodmage]

WittingEight65 wrote...

I think there should be straight LIs. Like, in my opinion, Cullen should be straight because he was raised in the chantry and he is/was a Templar.

None of your reasons remotely explained why Cullen should be straight, just saying. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 13 juin 2013 - 07:34 .

[GodWood]

sandalisthemaker wrote...
Apparently they do.

Making it quite juvenile.

I'm curious. What do you mean by "restrictions such as race."

Baldur's Gate had Viconia who wasn't attracted to elves, Aerie who wasn't attracted to half-orcs and so on.

Your 'morality' has no bearing on Thedas' , nor does it affect Bioware's stance.

What the hell are you talking about?

I'm saying that player characters should be able to romance certain characters with significantly different moralities.

Modifié par GodWood, 13 juin 2013 - 07:34 .

[franciscoamell]

Four romanceable characters who go both ways =/= everyone

[IanPolaris]

franciscoamell wrote...

I aprove of more gay characters.

My gayshep romanced Kaidan though, just saying...

I would approve of this as well as well as more straight LI's as well.  If we wanted to do this 'right' then some LI's should be ******-sexual exclusive, some should be hetro-sexual exclusive, and some should be bi-sexual, but everyone should have at least two options when the dust settles.

This IMHO would be the ideal case.

-Polaris

[Maclimes]

IanPolaris wrote...

That would be my preference.  Either use enough resources to do the romances "right" (and I think all of us including DG know what I mean by 'right' in this case) or don't do them at all.

-Polaris

So, what should they cut from the game to add in those characters, stories, and lines of dialogue needed to make it more realistic?

David Gaider has said that he would prefer to NOT use the player-sexual model, but it's a matter of resources. If they want enough choices so that everyone has a fair go, AND want to make those options even remotely interesting, that takes resources.

To add those 5th and 6th companions, you need to spend more money and time, or take it away from something else. So what gets cut?

[ElitePinecone]

IanPolaris wrote...

No it's not.  If you take a random sampling of 10 people, how likely will it be that ALL of them are bi-sexual, or ALL (or nearly all) of them will be interested in the hero?  Not bloody likely I think.

-Polaris

Sure, let's remove an immensely popular gameplay feature that resontates with a ton of people because you've done some maths and think it's unrealistic!

It's a video game. It's not real life, Thedas isn't Earth and the pixels inside the disc aren't actually people. 

Did *anyone* complain about the realism of the romances when they were all only opposite-gender? 

[Nerdage]

WittingEight65 wrote...

I think there should be straight LIs. Like, in my opinion, Cullen should be straight because he was raised in the chantry and he is/was a Templar.

Just fyi, as far as I'm aware the Chantry has no official stance on sexuality.

[IanPolaris]

sandalisthemaker wrote...

The real world has no bearing on Thedas.
You are advocating limiting content for a group of gamers simply because they are a minority.

Read my above posts.  I am doing no such things.  I am simply tired of pandering.

-Polaris

[Sontemuka]

Mmm... well, it's really the same to me, but... hey! if we have more options for romances, the game will be more replayable; so yes xD

[Nole]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

I think there should be straight LIs. Like, in my opinion, Cullen should be straight because he was raised in the chantry and he is/was a Templar.

None of your reasons is remotely explained why Cullen should be straight, just saying. 

Alistair was raised in the chantry and was, or almost was, a Templar.

Maybe I just see the Chantry as the Catholic Church, lol.

[Aolbain]

WittingEight65 wrote...

I think there should be straight LIs. Like, in my opinion, Cullen should be straight because he was raised in the chantry and he is/was a Templar.

And where have it been stated/implied that the chantry disaproves of ******/bisexuality. Hell, the curent divine likes women, that much is clear. 

[Potato Cat]

IanPolaris wrote...
No they are not unless you mode-code them to do so (at least when I played Skyrim out of the box there was a definate list of LIs that were male only, female only, or both).  Yes it's trivial to mode the LIs go the other way, but I definately recall that Skyrim was NOT a herosexual world.

Edit: If you aren't the right gender, you don't get the correct favor quest.  I do agree that species is overlooked in Skyrim.

-Polaris

I do hate to bring this up again, but Skyrim is most definitely herosexual.

http://www.uesp.net/...Skyrim:Marriage First sentence confirms it.

[IanPolaris]

nerdage wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

I think there should be straight LIs. Like, in my opinion, Cullen should be straight because he was raised in the chantry and he is/was a Templar.

Just fyi, as far as I'm aware the Chantry has no official stance on sexuality.

True, but the chantry characters we do meet do seem to be strongly hetrosexual but the sample size is limited (Sebastian and Cullen).  Cullen is clearly hetrosexual (talk with him as a female and male mage and you can quickly confirm this) and so is Sebastian.  I discount Lelianna because she isn't a formal member of the Chantry (being only a Lay Sister and never having actually taken vows).

-Polaris

[Medhia Nox]

All Bioware games are Hero-centric.

Are all Bioware games copouts?

The Reapers wait for Shepard to "win". The Archdaemon waits for the Warden.

Why should the romances be exclusively Non-Hero-centric?

You're not pandering to anyone IanPolaris - you don't have anything to do with this video game. You are totally irrelevant to Bioware or Bioware's games.

[IanPolaris]

Elfman wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
No they are not unless you mode-code them to do so (at least when I played Skyrim out of the box there was a definate list of LIs that were male only, female only, or both).  Yes it's trivial to mode the LIs go the other way, but I definately recall that Skyrim was NOT a herosexual world.

Edit: If you aren't the right gender, you don't get the correct favor quest.  I do agree that species is overlooked in Skyrim.

-Polaris

I do hate to bring this up again, but Skyrim is most definitely herosexual.

http://www.uesp.net/...Skyrim:Marriage First sentence confirms it.

I stand corrected. However, can we agree that Skyrim romance isn't very interesting or important?

-Polaris

[IceHawk-181]

ElitePinecone wrote...

IceHawk-181 wrote...

It is not realistic even within this fantasy setting that every single individual regardless of race or sex wants to romance the player character.

None of the romances in Bioware's games are remotely realistic. Why single out the orientation of the love interests when they're all pledging eternal love after four conversations? 

It's a role-playing and characterisation element designed to be an interesting and engaging emotional side-bar to the main quest. I'd rather the maximum number of people get the maximum amount of enjoyment out of it as possible, instead of the system pandering to a bunch of people worried that their heterosexuality will be undermined if a fictional video character propositions them. 

I am not looking to engage with your prejudices ElitePineCone; if you want to play the open ended No Limits Fallacy of "well it's a fantasy setting so everything is up for grabs" why do I not see you advocating for cross-species LIs (Shale? Dog?) Or Polygamous LIs (Merril and Fenris at the same time?) Or Incestuous (Bethany? Carver?)
 
The point, quite simply, that the level of SOD needed to convince me that it is more likely that 10/10 people are all attracted to the PC character than it is than 1/10 people is un-changeable Straight/Gay/Uninterested is a bit much and smacks of the same political pandering DG and Bioware have become well known for.