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[Zjarcal]

I take it the OP's definition of everyone means not everyone.

Also, if people wanna hate her that's their business.

*hates ashley*

[Steelcan]

Because she's annoying, insubordinate, and generally unprofessional. Don't even know why Shepard kept moping about her after Virmire tbh.

[knightnblu]

"Udina, step back from the console"

That's a sacrifice? How do you figure? That's just dawn breaking over marble head. If there had been a renegade interrupt that allowed me to cap Ashley and to then cap Udina, she wouldn't have been alive to say that.

[Slayer299]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Ashley was a wasted character, especially if you romanced her, there was so much potential to greatly expand on that in ME2 and 3. She never talks to shepard about her feelings when he was gone,while thinking he was dead except for a few lines on horizon in ME2. Her alcoholism could have been attributed to her wrecked emotional state about Shepard,and her last resort for dealing with the guilt for abandoning him when he needed her the most, and made her plot deeper,but it wasn't. Even if you do stay faithful to her and forgive her, there are no apologies,no emotional embraces, just "Hey Shepard"

Avina has more lines than her in ME3,wich pretty much says everything you need to know about Bioware's feelings about the Character,and her fans. "Why does some people dislike Ashley ?" because Bioware doesn't give the player much choice but to detach from her. She is not there in ME2,and is barely there in ME3,the excuse for 2 is contrived and asinine, and BW didn't even give an excuse for 3!!. Even the Citadel DLC didn't add much,you just drink with her a little, exchange some trash talk,and sleep together again and its over,blink and you will miss it.

I want to like Ashley, but I don't anymore has much,and its not because of her Racism,Wich about 80% of all Humans are guilty of to some extent in 2183(The Skyllian Blitz,First Contact War)Humans first encounters with Aliens didn't go so well. And its not because of her religion, wich my Shepard happens to also believe in!! Its because of 2 reasons, the poorly written mistrust of the man she supposedly couldn't stop crying about for a year,and because Bioware pretty much wrote her out of relevance!!

^ This pretty much sums up for me how I felt about Ash from ME through ME3. 

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Arcian wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Sersiouly. So she has trust issues, and doesn't like aliens in the first game. She has her reasons.

Well, your screen name, for starters. That appropriately describes the first few things I loathe about Ashley.

LOL Well today I watched a video where in ME if she's fighting with Liara over you and you say "hey, I could have you both." Then she gets mad and leaves and Liara's just like oh she doesn't understand I'm sorry. 

Not a very good hooker, huh? A hooker with standards, maybe?

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 14 juin 2013 - 06:42 .

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Zjarcal wrote...

I take it the OP's definition of everyone means not everyone.

Also, if people wanna hate her that's their business.

*hates ashley*

It means whatever you want it to mean, honey. 

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 14 juin 2013 - 06:44 .

[ObserverStatus]

Well, in my first playthrough, she murdered Wrex in front of my eyes, that's why I hate her. Anyone else?

[Cagamelo]

I don't hate her, I just think that if you're not going to romance her there's no point in letting her live past Virmire. To this day I still believe the reason she has so little dialogue and interactions with other characters is a bug, a bug that BW will never fix, just like her Marksman skill.

[CptData]

knightnblu wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Sersiouly. So she has trust issues, and doesn't like aliens in the first game. She has her reasons.

I don't know about "everybody," but I know my reasons. [...]

She has changed, and not for the better. She even endangers the Council and holds a gun on Shepard with the intent of putting a bullet in his brain. She has fallen very far from her previous incarnation. That is why I no longer have any use for the character.

Good posting. It's less "hate" in your case than being "disappointed". And believe me, as one of the few still-Ash-fans: ME3 was disappointing in more than just one or two fields.

Thing is: to make Ashley a "good character" in ME3, I rely on my imagination of ME1!Ashley. The parts not seen in ME3 are filled by my headcanon, like:

- the cut talk about the afterlife with Shepard and Ashley
- romantic fluff
- a big talk / a series of talks about Ashley's 2 years while Shepard was dead
- how did Ash become an Alliance officer
- stuff about her family
- stuff about Kaidan
- friendship stuff
- Ashley is the Normandy's XO
- ...

All the jazz I'd have loved to see ingame (or hinted at least). Well, headcanon works and no bad writer can kill that one.

[conjmk]

LOL, Kaidan's the one that everyone hates, people only hate on Ashley on BSN.

Only 1% actually keep Kaidan alive. He only seems to be popular with the more hardcore fans.

[Steelcan]

conjmk wrote...

LOL, Kaidan's the one that everyone hates, people only hate on Ashley on BSN.

Only 1% actually keep Kaidan alive. He only seems to be popular with the more hardcore fans.

....... I think it might be a little higher than that.

[conjmk]

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

LOL, Kaidan's the one that everyone hates, people only hate on Ashley on BSN.

Only 1% actually keep Kaidan alive. He only seems to be popular with the more hardcore fans.

....... I think it might be a little higher than that.

It might be, I don't know exactly but it's very low in the single digits.

[Steelcan]

conjmk wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

LOL, Kaidan's the one that everyone hates, people only hate on Ashley on BSN.

Only 1% actually keep Kaidan alive. He only seems to be popular with the more hardcore fans.

....... I think it might be a little higher than that.

It might be, I don't know exactly but it's very low in the single digits.

.  I think the BioWare infograph had it at about 40%

[conjmk]

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

LOL, Kaidan's the one that everyone hates, people only hate on Ashley on BSN.

Only 1% actually keep Kaidan alive. He only seems to be popular with the more hardcore fans.

....... I think it might be a little higher than that.

It might be, I don't know exactly but it's very low in the single digits.

.  I think the BioWare infograph had it at about 40%

I dont think so, the infograph I saw said people only brought Kaidan 1-2% of the time.

Unless I've been misinformed, do you have a link to the infograph?

[Steelcan]

You were thinking of the popularity part of the graph, not the survival stats

Kaidan is sitting at surviving in 17% of playthroughs.

However these stats are only for ME3.  So the data is skewed.

Modifié par Steelcan, 14 juin 2013 - 09:15 .

[Endurium]

I really tried to like Ashley in ME1 though she has little in common with me. Then all she got was couple spot parts in ME2, and the aforementioned treatment in ME3. Ultimately ended up going with Tali because her personality is typical of the gals I tend to get along with, and we're both techies.

Edit: though I turn off all that online-telemetry crap because I don't really want Bioware watching over my shoulder, I do have to agree with some parts of that chart posted above me. I could relate to Kaiden's headaches because I suffer migraines, but after he ripped me on Horizon I decided that was the end of that. lol

Modifié par Endurium, 14 juin 2013 - 09:15 .

[conjmk]

That's still really low.

Modifié par conjmk, 14 juin 2013 - 09:28 .

[Steelcan]

conjmk wrote...

That's still really low.

Yes it is.  But so is the amount of people who played with Wrex.

Conversely many players had Wreav and cured the genophage.....

[knightnblu]

CptData wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

Sersiouly. So she has trust issues, and doesn't like aliens in the first game. She has her reasons.

I don't know about "everybody," but I know my reasons. [...]

She has changed, and not for the better. She even endangers the Council and holds a gun on Shepard with the intent of putting a bullet in his brain. She has fallen very far from her previous incarnation. That is why I no longer have any use for the character.

Good posting. It's less "hate" in your case than being "disappointed". And believe me, as one of the few still-Ash-fans: ME3 was disappointing in more than just one or two fields.

Thing is: to make Ashley a "good character" in ME3, I rely on my imagination of ME1!Ashley. The parts not seen in ME3 are filled by my headcanon, like:

- the cut talk about the afterlife with Shepard and Ashley
- romantic fluff
- a big talk / a series of talks about Ashley's 2 years while Shepard was dead
- how did Ash become an Alliance officer
- stuff about her family
- stuff about Kaidan
- friendship stuff
- Ashley is the Normandy's XO
- ...

All the jazz I'd have loved to see ingame (or hinted at least). Well, headcanon works and no bad writer can kill that one.

You're right, I don't hate Ashley. I hate what BioWare did to her. The Ash of ME2 and 3 is not the Ash of ME1. She was strong, confident, and independent in ME. The kind of person that you could trust once you had won her respect. Then they jettison all of that and weaken her character to make her doubt Shepard and even to be ashamed of him. After ME, I couldn't wait to play ME2. I wanted to see how the relationship formed between Shepard and Williams would develop. I was in for one hell of a surprise in ME2.
 
I have often written that the evocation of emotion is the trademark of a good RPG and that any emotion was fair game. The kick in the teeth that I got from Williams on Horizon was just as fair, but how we got to that point didn't make a lick of sense because BioWare essentially re-wrote her personality. The pay out for the romance was to come in ME3, but the person Shepard romanced in ME was not going to be the same individual.
 
I have had correspondence with others on this topic and the final intimate scenes between Williams and Shepard are a good pay off, but you have to slog through a lot to get them. Far too much in my estimation. Williams claims to love Shepard, but where is that love on Horizon? Where was it the six months that Shepard was incarcerated? Where was that love during the Mars mission? Where was it when she was seriously thinking of killing Shepard? A well written character doesn't leave that many questions.
 
Granted, the tolerances on the dialog between Williams and Shepard were such that it would be difficult to arrive at lethal force, but it never should have happened that way. If Williams were to continue her mistrust of Shepard she should have been presented with an ongoing stream of intelligence that signaled that Shepard was a sleeper. In other words, there should have been a reason behind the mistrust. There wasn't. BioWare definitely phoned her character in for ME2 and ME3. They did pay attention to the intimacy between Shepard and Williams at long last, but it was far too little and far too late by the point that you arrive at it.
 
Disappointed? Bitterly so, as attested by my signature.

[Modius Prime]

Because she's racist, annoying, and distrustful. Plus, Kaidan's abilities and personality (and Rank)>Ashley. I'm sorry, but I am a very practical person and I don't go for all that chivalry crap. I'd rather save the person that will do more good. Ashley got increasingly stale with every installment of Mass Effect, a long with that ridiculous plastic surgery.

[themikefest]

I like Ashley mostly cause she is a bada** on missions. And she doesn't die all the time like other squadmates.

[Aarch_Aangel]

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

That's still really low.

Yes it is.  But so is the amount of people who played with Wrex.

Conversely many players had Wreav and cured the genophage.....

I remember when I went a did playthrough starting with me1, managed to keep Wrex around (i didn't have it until it was ported to ps3) and lol'd when Wreav got eaten by the thresher maw. 

I feel bad for anyone that had to play a single game with Wreav. 

[conjmk]

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

That's still really low.

Yes it is.  But so is the amount of people who played with Wrex.

Conversely many players had Wreav and cured the genophage.....

64% compared to 17% is a big differece. 17% is even less than the people who played femshep and some people consider her to be a waste of resources.