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[Steelcan]

conjmk wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

That's still really low.

Yes it is.  But so is the amount of people who played with Wrex.

Conversely many players had Wreav and cured the genophage.....

64% compared to 17% is a big differece. 17% is even less than the people who played femshep and some people consider her to be a waste of resources.

Their perogative, but I do appreciate choices in a choice based game.  Just saying

[spirosz]

I love her, pre-ME3.

[Steelcan]

spirosz wrote...

I love her, pre-ME3.

This describes so much of ME it isn't funny

[conjmk]

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

conjmk wrote...

That's still really low.

Yes it is.  But so is the amount of people who played with Wrex.

Conversely many players had Wreav and cured the genophage.....

64% compared to 17% is a big differece. 17% is even less than the people who played femshep and some people consider her to be a waste of resources.

Their perogative, but I do appreciate choices in a choice based game.  Just saying

I'm not saying Kaidan isn't worth being in the game (I probably wouldn't be nearly as obsessed with this game if he wasn't in it). My point is just that the vast majority of people who play ME don't like Kaidan comapred to Ashely, so this thread is kind of useless.

Modifié par conjmk, 14 juin 2013 - 10:55 .

[Mimitochan]

I don't.

[Wynterdust]

Hate is too strong a word for me to use personally but dislike is pretty accurate. Why though is hard to pinpoint. Something about her attitude rubs me the wrong way. Then there was the infamous xenophobic lines from ME1. Or maybe it was how she ninjamanced me and went crazy on my initial playthrough while I was wooing Liara when I never chose any response to lead her on...Perhaps.

[CptData]

knightnblu wrote...

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Disappointed? Bitterly so, as attested by my signature.

Yeah. The romance in ME3 was okay, not decent. Too much stuff missing, not enough content between their date and the final romance scene. Also the drunken-Ash-scene felt a bit out-of-place, especially since Ashley was a hell of a disciplined die-hard soldier.

To be honest, if I had a chance to be part of the writers team in a reboot, I'd rewrite Ash in a way she fits to what Chris L'Etoile had in his mind. And that means Ashley is still a die-hard soldier, a tough one, someone you don't want to mess around with. She won't have distrust issues for months, but she'll show if she can't stand you. On the other hand - if you have your ways and go down the friendly route, Ash might turn out as a friend you can trust your life - like Garrus. And if you want the romance, you get a passionate love that works well for a character like Ash. She wants it all, and she wants it now, so to speak.

Can only imagine how Ash would have been with Chris L'Etoile as her writer in ME3.
That image keeps me with her.

[Angry_Elcor]

This word "everyone." I don't think it means what you think it means.

[IanPolaris]

CptData wrote...

Given the fact how things turned out in ME3, Ashley was right. Only the Turians were willing to help - after you helped them.

As an aside in ME3 if you listen to the various Turian conversations, the Turians wanted to help earth regardless, but Primarch Victus wanted the best chance to get help for Palaven (and I hardly blame him for that).  Basically as I read them, the Turians were looking for a reason to help Earth.  It is also worth noting that if the Krogan cancel their alliance, the Turians still help earth.

I know this is a tangent, just wanted to add my two coppers.

-Polaris

[Isaidlunch]

I don't hate Ashley. In fact, I like her character so much that I never let her survive past the Coup!

[CptData]

IanPolaris wrote...

CptData wrote...

Given the fact how things turned out in ME3, Ashley was right. Only the Turians were willing to help - after you helped them.

As an aside in ME3 if you listen to the various Turian conversations, the Turians wanted to help earth regardless, but Primarch Victus wanted the best chance to get help for Palaven (and I hardly blame him for that).  Basically as I read them, the Turians were looking for a reason to help Earth.  It is also worth noting that if the Krogan cancel their alliance, the Turians still help earth.

I know this is a tangent, just wanted to add my two coppers.

-Polaris

I think the Volus wanted to help too. Yeah, you're right.

Thing is: Asari didn't want to help for a long time and Salarians refused to help at all if you didn't sabotage the cure. A few Salarian units did send some support, but the main fleet remained at their homeworld. I'm not even sure if Reapers attacked Sur'Kesh at all.

So Ashley was right. Especially in case of the Asari: didn't the Councilor say something like this "Earth keeps the Reapers busy until we can muster our fleets"? Mankind was the dog, Reapers were the bear.

Modifié par CptData, 15 juin 2013 - 09:59 .

[FlamingBoy]

I always liked Ashley, but shes not really a complex character especially in comparison to the much more popular character liara (me1 liara )

Lets just say my experience wouldn't have been dramatically improved or lessen, if the character existed or not. She is not an integral part of my experience.

[CptData]

^ that's another problem.

In a RPG, the LI you picked should be an integral part of the story. Means: if you go after Liara, ME comes with a full experience. Same for Garrus. But most other LIs, including Ashley, don't feel as if they were important for the plot. And that's one of the biggest issues of ME3! In ME1, Ash/Kaidan felt important, not more or less than Liara. In ME2, Miranda, Thane, Jacob & co had some influence on the plot. But in ME3, most LIs got reduced to their LI role (if at all), only Liara and Garrus came with a -real- plot touching the main story as well.

[darthmarticus]

I use to love Ashley until recently I saw the video of her death at the Citadel Coup if she gets shot. The one I saw, Garrus shot her and after my 'Dammit Ash I'm not with them (Cerberus) anymore' she said something like 'i hope the reapers send you hell!' and that she never believed i stopped wokrng for Cerberus. After this, no thanks.



EDIT: Said link: 

Modifié par darthmarticus, 15 juin 2013 - 10:37 .

[CptData]

There are more versions of Ashley's death, darthmarticus.

The one you saw is triggered if you never visited her in hospital.

If you had a romance with her or visited her in hospital, she'd be more sad things had to end like this. In that case, Ashley doesn't believe Shepard is with Cerberus.

Non-romanced positive Ashley death scene

Modifié par CptData, 15 juin 2013 - 10:42 .

[P. Domi]

If you were kind to Ash and romance her at some point in the trilogy (maybe even if you didn't romance her, Ì'm not sure), she will confess her feelings for male Shepard with her last words. It's really sad. There's another one where she simply says she learned from you to do what she thought was right, and she was just trying to protect the Council (as a sworn Sprectr, after the rest of the guards had been killed by Cerberus).

I don't hate Ash, I talk to all squadmates after missions in the 3 games and it's the one I like best in the trilogy. It's probably my favorite NPC in all the Bioware games I've played, which date back to Baldur's Gate, KotoR, DA:O , etc.

[GimmeDaGun]

Actually she is one of the characters of the series whom I dig.

[GimmeDaGun]

darthmarticus wrote...

I use to love Ashley until recently I saw the video of her death at the Citadel Coup if she gets shot. The one I saw, Garrus shot her and after my 'Dammit Ash I'm not with them (Cerberus) anymore' she said something like 'i hope the reapers send you hell!' and that she never believed i stopped wokrng for Cerberus. After this, no thanks.



EDIT: Said link: 

That's only one of the many permutations and dialogue options for that seen. You only get that if you play a psycho-renegade Shep, who treats her like **** (by always choosing the renegade options on her). Also a few other things have influence on that, like, first Council alive or not, Thane alive or not, Kirrahe alive or not, Shep shoots her or not, whether you romanced her or not, whether you visited her in the hospital or not...


In the game, you have to gain her trust. She is one of the very few characters whose behaviour and attitude towards Shepard depends on how you interact with her and what type of character you play.

Actually this is what I was missing from the other characters, with a few exceptions, like Mordin, Wrex, Joker at some point. Most characters adored Shepard no matter what, even if he treated them like ****.  

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 15 juin 2013 - 11:32 .

[Dieb]

The problem I have with the writing of Ashley's dialogue in both ME2 and ME3 is not her. It's Shepard. It's not what she complains about, it's Shepard's reactions to those complaints: Even the "friendly" ones are mostly condescending or patronizing at best.

For someone who wasn't with Shepard during ME2, all of her doubts are more than justified. She trusts Shepard, depending on the character, may even love him - that is not the point. Her problem is that she doesn't know if he actually *is* Shepard. How many threads exist about how unlikely and what kind of poor space magic Project Lazarus is - but her doubts are ****y and irrational?

And yes, during an important mission is exactly the right moment to clear this up, because that would be about the last stop to expose an imposter. Accordingly, I cannot understand complaints specifically about the dialogue on Mars. It's in my opinion the only instant where Shepard gets to say all the right things in his defense for a change.

Oh and gameplaywise, they gave her Zaeed's class skills, like I asked for it. But then again both Kaidan and Ash are beasts in ME3.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 15 juin 2013 - 12:01 .

[SolariUK]

Next playthrough, I'm saving Kaiden. Just sayin'

I quite liked her character at first in ME1 but the xenophobic stuff started grinding on me. Warmed a little to her in 3 but still wished I'd saved Kaiden.

[GimmeDaGun]

Baelrahn wrote...

The problem I have with the writing of Ashley's dialogue in both ME2 and ME3 is not her. It's Shepard. It's not what she complains about, it's Shepard's reactions to those complaints: Even the "friendly" ones are mostly condescending or patronizing at best.

For someone who wasn't with Shepard during ME2, all of her doubts are more than justified. She trusts Shepard, depending on the character, may even love him - that is not the point. Her problem is that she doesn't know if he actually *is* Shepard. How many threads exist about how unlikely and what kind of poor space magic Project Lazarus is - but her doubts are ****y and irrational?

And yes, during an important mission is exactly the right moment to clear this up, because that would be about the last stop to expose an imposter. Accordingly, I cannot understand complaints specifically about the dialogue on Mars. It's in my opinion the only instant where Shepard gets to say all the right things in his defense for a change.

Oh and gameplaywise, they gave her Zaeed's class skills, like I asked for it. But then again both Kaidan and Ash are beasts in ME3.

I agree. 

[TheViper8234]

She is annoying ,too many reasons ..

[Silentblaze]

@OP: I didn't hate Ashley. Still don't in ME3.

I never thought of her as racist but as a human patriot. Just that simply it was her point of view that each species would look after their own interests first, community second, and that humanity should too.  That's all there was to that.

[conjmk]

darthmarticus wrote...

I use to love Ashley until recently I saw the video of her death at the Citadel Coup if she gets shot. The one I saw, Garrus shot her and after my 'Dammit Ash I'm not with them (Cerberus) anymore' she said something like 'i hope the reapers send you hell!' and that she never believed i stopped wokrng for Cerberus. After this, no thanks.



EDIT: Said link: 

I think that only happens if you're really rude to her and don't meet her at the hospital.

[IanPolaris]

CptData wrote...

So Ashley was right. Especially in case of the Asari: didn't the Councilor say something like this "Earth keeps the Reapers busy until we can muster our fleets"? Mankind was the dog, Reapers were the bear.

Of course that attitude is not exclusive to the Asari.  As the two Private Williams in the War Room pithily puts it to Private Cambell, "If Thessia were being attacked and Earth were safe, we'd be guarding our space first too" (or words very much to that effect).

-Polaris