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[Steelcan]

Using proper grammar on my phone takes too long.

[Bourne Endeavor]

VirtualSoldier27 wrote...

Ashley was a wasted character, especially if you romanced her, there was so much potential to greatly expand on that in ME2 and 3. She never talks to shepard about her feelings when he was gone,while thinking he was dead except for a few lines on horizon in ME2. Her alcoholism could have been attributed to her wrecked emotional state about Shepard,and her last resort for dealing with the guilt for abandoning him when he needed her the most, and made her plot deeper,but it wasn't. Even if you do stay faithful to her and forgive her, there are no apologies,no emotional embraces, just "Hey Shepard"

Avina has more lines than her in ME3,wich pretty much says everything you need to know about Bioware's feelings about the Character,and her fans. "Why does some people dislike Ashley ?" because Bioware doesn't give the player much choice but to detach from her. She is not there in ME2,and is barely there in ME3,the excuse for 2 is contrived and asinine, and BW didn't even give an excuse for 3!!. Even the Citadel DLC didn't add much,you just drink with her a little, exchange some trash talk,and sleep together again and its over,blink and you will miss it.

I want to like Ashley, but I don't anymore has much,and its not because of her Racism,Wich about 80% of all Humans are guilty of to some extent in 2183(The Skyllian Blitz,First Contact War)Humans first encounters with Aliens didn't go so well. And its not because of her religion, wich my Shepard happens to also believe in!! Its because of 2 reasons, the poorly written mistrust of the man she supposedly couldn't stop crying about for a year,and because Bioware pretty much wrote her out of relevance!!

This is a pretty solid assessment, although I do like her despite the lackluster content. She had some great foundations laid in ME1 and were completely abandoned due to the contrived abomination that is Horizon. Perhaps even worse is Kaidan receives quite a bit of characterization in ME3, whereas Ashley seems to remain stagnate in development. Granted, many of the cast suffer from this. The writers were more focused on the sexbot they shoehorned in.

[o Ventus]

Made Nightwing wrote...

Alas, like Miranda, we lost Ashley to Jay. I was always infuriated that he couldn't think up anything original to do with either character.

Believe me, this is probably the biggest complaint towards Jay (at least in the Miranda camp, not sure about Ashley people).

As far as I'm aware, Jay's first Me credit was ME3. Exactly who thought it was a good idea to give a novice 2 estabished characters who are also romance options?

It was like 'Hey, hmm, I've got two strong female characters here, what should I do with them? Hey, I know, in previous games they've both cared about their sisters, so I'll just do that again, should work, right?'

Well, it wasn't broken... So they didn't change it in any way, period. Or add on to it. Or do anything at all.

Yeah, that's disappointing.

Don't get me wrong, Miranda was tolerable in ME3, like most of Ashley's content.

On its own merits, the content there is okay, but absolutely nothing new was added, and almost all of the preexisting context ("I care about my sister") was pushed to the forefront so much that it almost appears to have come at the loss of other personality traits ("I'm willing to kill people to get what I need").

Miranda's outstanding moments were her Citadel DLC appearances

Definitely agree on this one. Miranda's date on the Silversun Strip and in the visit in Shepard's apartment are very good. Disappointed that the hot tub didn't come into use (not just for Miranda, but for every other non-Traynor romance), but other than that they are good. Being able to have Miranda back on the squad for the Arena was also nice, although the bugged talent points are f**king stupid.

and the last few lines of her farewell on Earth.

Also agreed. Heartfelt, though I still have no idea why Miranda couldn't be there at the end.

After investing a significant amount of time in the character with one of my alternate Shepards, I was infuriated that that was all I got.

This applies to just about every returning character who wasn't on the ME1 squad (Ashley being the exception, since parts of her Normandy dialogue are bugged, and she straight-up has less content than Kaidan). The blatant favoritism for those characters is a little sickening.

Her entire plot was one gigantic rehash of her loyalty mission in 2, daddy issues and sister protection.

As I've already said, it's a disappointment. In fact, if I'm fully aware, Miranda is the only ME2 character whose ME3 arc is a full copy/paste of her loyalty mission. Samara's comes close, but at least her presence in the monastery involves her saving her daughter instead of killing her daughter.

Frankly, Ash, Thane and Legion all needed Chris to do them justice and we got cheated of that.

Honestly, I think Legion would have benefitted the most. ME2 Legion was fasinating. ME3 Legion is just not-squad EDI.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Miranda was arguably the most wasted character in ME3. Our primary antagonist was Cerberus (ugh) and TIM (sigh), yet the former second-in-command of sorts is relegated to the sideline and occasionally pops up to deliver cries about her sister? Never mind the utterly asinine reason she does not join the squad. Frankly, I would have loved to see a crisis of faith angle; Shepard verse TIM, with your actions ultimately influencing Miranda one way or the other. One idea I had was for her to been your mole and the whole Citadel coup would be a race, lest she be found out and indoctrinated or something to that effect. Granted, I rewrote that whole coup because it's terrible.

Regardless, Miranda should have been an integral character much like Ashley should have had more depth and dialogue if they were going to bring back. Alas...

[o Ventus]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Never mind the utterly asinine reason she does not join the squad.

There was a reason?

[GreyLycanTrope]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I don't hate any Mass Effect squad member.

[dreamgazer]

o Ventus wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Never mind the utterly asinine reason she does not join the squad.

There was a reason?

Because Cerberus is icky. 

[o Ventus]

dreamgazer wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Never mind the utterly asinine reason she does not join the squad.

There was a reason?

Because Cerberus is icky. 

Who on Shepard's squad was affiliated with Cerberus?

[IanPolaris]

klarabella wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

CptData wrote...

The only one who seems to have issues with that Cerberus story was Ash.

Well, yes and no. Others are suspicious of the entire setup but believe in the mission. The only problem I have with the ME2 Ashley conversation is that she really doesn't acknowledge that the mission is worthy, and moreover something the Alliance couldn't be bothered to do.

It's only that the "believe in the mission part" is not logical or reasonable.

Others join because Shepard says this mission is somehow connected to the Reapers.
And Shepard says so because TIM said so.
There is really no basis for this until much later in the game.

Without a connection to the Reapers Shepard's team is being asked to believe that it's a worthy mission to prepare a very small strike team to fight an enemy in space whose strength and numbers are unknown for the most part and who will otherwise attack and destroy humanity. Calling this a suicide mission is mildly optimistic.

Not only is the mission design terrible. It all boils down to "will you gladly sacrifice your life for a bunch of colonists who insistes on fending for themselves outside of Council space"? And the answer apparently is a loud and enthusiastic YES. 

Except by the time Shepard meets Ash on Horizon in ME2, it's pretty clear that the Collectors ARE working for the Reapers.  It's the only logical explaination for both the Collectors and the Geth having husks.  Everyone you bring pretty much admits (including Jacob an Eden Prime veteran) that this fact alone pretty much seals the deal...in this case TIM is actually right.

Does ASH even bother to consider this?  No.  [It also rankles that Shepard isn't allowed to give many reasonable answers or explainations that would put Ash at ease.]  Kaiden to be fair isn't much better in ME2.

The difference is in ME3, Kaiden acts like a reasonable and falliable human being and lightens up towards Shepard if Shepard makes any effort at all.  Ash doesn't.

-Polaris

[dreamgazer]

o Ventus wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Never mind the utterly asinine reason she does not join the squad.

There was a reason?

Because Cerberus is icky. 

Who on Shepard's squad was affiliated with Cerberus?

Oh. I thought the quote was referring to Ashley in ME2.

[EarthboundNess]

I doubt its that overwhelming a majority to say 'everyone' hates her. That, and hate is such a strong word. I dislike her during much of ME3.

I quite liked her in ME1, subtle racist remarks aside. Oh, and that one playthrough where she asked Shep to 'decide' between her and Liara when all he'd done the whole game is insult her poetry.

That's more the games fault though.

Modifié par Earthbound N, 19 juin 2013 - 03:02 .

[CronoDragoon]

klarabella wrote...

Not only is the mission design terrible. It all boils down to "will you gladly sacrifice your life for a bunch of colonists who insistes on fending for themselves outside of Council space"? And the answer apparently is a loud and enthusiastic YES. 

...And what was Ashley doing on Horizon if not this?

[Kel Riever]

Ashley was one of my favorite characters. Much preferred over Kaiden, who has great backstory, but is almost as dull as Sheploo in looks and dialogue. If you painted Kaiden beige, he'd stand out more....

Also, I have less of a problem with how she visually changed, even though I prefer her ME1&2 look more.

But characters don't get passes because, "They were nice to my Shepard." They get passes because I find them intriguing, or interesting. Ashley has problems she has to overcome. That's good. Characters like Grunt are SO BORING. Javik is contrived, though certainly an improvement over Grunt. James....funny at times but for the most part extremely dull. Jacob, other than the opening of ME2 and the bit about his father, mostly awful.

So if people 'hate' (because really, its just a video game. I doubt they really hate a non-existant thing) Ashely, really that's there problem. On Virmire, my decision is always the same...and in game terms, she made a great squaddie for my Infiltrator.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 19 juin 2013 - 03:48 .

[Nole]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The #1 thing I see most people list as the reason they hate her is because they think she is racist because she mistrusts other species.  Strangely enough, most of the alien characters do not get held to this same standard.

Yeah, Wrex and Grunt are more racist than Ashley ever was, yet they get almost no hate. It's odd, really.

People hate her because she's the only one that has the balls to tell Shepard to GTFO.

[spirosz]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The #1 thing I see most people list as the reason they hate her is because they think she is racist because she mistrusts other species.  Strangely enough, most of the alien characters do not get held to this same standard.

Yeah, Wrex and Grunt are more racist than Ashley ever was, yet they get almost no hate. It's odd, really.

People hate her because she's the only one that has the balls to tell Shepard to GTFO.

In what context?  Jack can do the exact same thing and in a more funny manner as well. 

[Sir DeLoria]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The #1 thing I see most people list as the reason they hate her is because they think she is racist because she mistrusts other species.  Strangely enough, most of the alien characters do not get held to this same standard.

Yeah, Wrex and Grunt are more racist than Ashley ever was, yet they get almost no hate. It's odd, really.

Because all Krogan are racist. Tali and Garrus aren't racist, neither are Thane, Liara, Samara and Mordin.

[CronoDragoon]

Tali may not be racist in ME1, but she is....what would the word be? State-of-being-ist? In any case, she's "racist" against geth, intentionally so by BW's words, in order to demonstrate growth of character.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 19 juin 2013 - 06:16 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Geth aren't a 'race', they don't count. Even so, she overcomes her dislike for synthetics after befriending Legion.

Also, except for Paragon Shep and Zaal'Koris everyone in the galaxy hates the Geth.

Modifié par Necanor, 19 juin 2013 - 06:21 .

[Sir DeLoria]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Necanor wrote...

Because all Krogan are racist.

And that makes it okay?

Well, you can see it in two ways:

1. It's semi-understandable because, unlike the humans, the Krogan actually suffered from what the Turians and Salarians did to them
2. Out of all your alien squadmates, only the Krogan are prejudiced against other races

Modifié par Necanor, 19 juin 2013 - 06:46 .

[nos_astra]

CronoDragoon wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Not only is the mission design terrible. It all boils down to "will you gladly sacrifice your life for a bunch of colonists who insistes on fending for themselves outside of Council space"? And the answer apparently is a loud and enthusiastic YES. 

...And what was Ashley doing on Horizon if not this?

Her job. 

[Hazegurl]

I don't hate Ashley. I'm more neutral to her. From what I hear of her ME3 appearance i won't keep her alive anytime soon.

[IanPolaris]

klarabella wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Not only is the mission design terrible. It all boils down to "will you gladly sacrifice your life for a bunch of colonists who insistes on fending for themselves outside of Council space"? And the answer apparently is a loud and enthusiastic YES. 

...And what was Ashley doing on Horizon if not this?

Her job. 

To clarify her "job" (her real job) was to investigate the collector attacks and find out if there were truths behind the Shepard rumors (more the first than the second).  So she winds up frozen for hours and doesn't get any useful intelligence, but then rejects not only her former comrad-in-arms but the intelligence that was just obtained at enormous cost because she couldn't get past her distrust enough to accept it.  It's one thing to think that something smells (an attitude that's perfectly justifiable).  It's another to react to it so extremely that it affects your own perceptions of reality and your ability to do your job, and ME2 (and ME3) Ashely is guilty on both counts.

-Polaris