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[Fuggyt]

I think the mage threat is exaggerated.  There's an inherent contradiction in the situation.  Either the mages are numerous and powerful enough to resist or they are not.  If they are, then the Templars could never have rounded up and controlled them all in the first place, nor, for that matter, would the Tevinter Imperium ever have fallen.  If they are not, then Anders's act of terrorism is a desperately futile gesture than can only lead to the genocide of all mages and the Circles are merely the repressive products of superstition, paranoia, and greed for power.

[Dave of Canada]

Anders doesn't care if it's futile, he's a lunatic that believes it's better to go down fighting than remaining in the Circles.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 juin 2013 - 08:36 .

[Tarek]

they are not a threat, magic is like everything else a tool to be used or abused, he can't kill mages because mages will always be born, its a futile attempt, he might as well end the human/elven races that way he can be sure, but unlike mages Templars can be eliminated because they are an organization .

[King Cousland]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders doesn't care if it's futile, he's a lunatic that believes it's better to go down fighting than remaining in the Circles.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Fuggyt wrote...

I think the mage threat is exaggerated.  There's an inherent contradiction in the situation.  Either the mages are numerous and powerful enough to resist or they are not.  If they are, then the Templars could never have rounded up and controlled them all in the first place, nor, for that matter, would the Tevinter Imperium ever have fallen.  If they are not, then Anders's act of terrorism is a desperately futile gesture than can only lead to the genocide of all mages and the Circles are merely the repressive products of superstition, paranoia, and greed for power.

The mages were willingly accepting the Circle system as the best thing all around; that's how they were all rounded up, because they put up with it. Anders does not believe it to be the best option, and thus scares the Templars into cracking down so far that the mages have no choice but to revolt.

As for why this didn't happen sooner, remember that Templars are supposed to be able to counter magic. Thus, they can defend themselves from a rebellious mage. A large part of the reason mages are supposed to be scary is that most non-mages cannot do this.

As for the Tevinter Imperium, it never did fall. Not really. It lost a lot of power, due to the Blights (remember that the spawn have mages too) and the slave revolt (which took advantage of this chaos and some well-timed natural disasters), but Minrathous itself has never been breached and it still has territories under it. Make of that what you will.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 13 juin 2013 - 09:27 .

[Nole]

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

[dragonflight288]

Fuggyt wrote...

I think the mage threat is exaggerated.  There's an inherent contradiction in the situation.  Either the mages are numerous and powerful enough to resist or they are not.  If they are, then the Templars could never have rounded up and controlled them all in the first place, nor, for that matter, would the Tevinter Imperium ever have fallen.  If they are not, then Anders's act of terrorism is a desperately futile gesture than can only lead to the genocide of all mages and the Circles are merely the repressive products of superstition, paranoia, and greed for power.

Technically the Imperium never fell. They lost the southern half of their kingdom, but not the northern. And Andraste (and Maferath) raised an army immediately following a Blight so the Tevinter Imperium wasn't at full strength. And there is plenty of evidence in the game that Anraste MIGHT have been a mage, but it isn't confirmed.

Modifié par dragonflight288, 13 juin 2013 - 09:02 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 13 juin 2013 - 09:04 .

[Tinu]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders doesn't care if it's futile, he's a lunatic that believes it's better to go down fighting than remaining in the Circles.

You don't have to be a lunatic to believe in what you're fighting for. Being oppressed is a valid reason for fighting back.

[Nole]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

What are you talking about, I killed the mages of the Circle and recieved help from the templars. I also never used a mage in my party, so I think I can handle the Darkspawns without the mages .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

TBH all we ever see is the extreme cases, I'd say most normal mages realise the Templers are a necessary thing and most Templers are probably not crazed zealots.

[Tinu]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

What are you talking about, I killed the mages of the Circle and recieved help from the templars. I also never used a mage in my party, so I think I can handle the Darkspawns without the mages .

You might, but does the army that you might command? How will you tend to their wounds? Handing out health poultices seems like an expensive thing to do...

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...
There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

Not really.

I bet the qunari's cannons and superior technology would triumph

So, the fact that the Joining requires mages really is that obscure. Good to know. I'll be more patient pointing this out in the future.

[The Elder King]

WittingEight65 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

What are you talking about, I killed the mages of the Circle and recieved help from the templars. I also never used a mage in my party, so I think I can handle the Darkspawns without the mages .

He's talking about the Joining, where mages are needed.
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Modifié par hhh89, 13 juin 2013 - 09:13 .

[Nole]

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

What are you talking about, I killed the mages of the Circle and recieved help from the templars. I also never used a mage in my party, so I think I can handle the Darkspawns without the mages .

You might, but does the army that you might command? How will you tend to their wounds? Handing out health poultices seems like an expensive thing to do...

I just need the help of the Qunari (and THEIR mages). 

[Tarek]

its a great idea that way all the people born with magic abilities will be not be in any circle and will eventually grow so powerful in secret that they will go tventir imperim on the world again

[Tinu]

WittingEight65 wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

What are you talking about, I killed the mages of the Circle and recieved help from the templars. I also never used a mage in my party, so I think I can handle the Darkspawns without the mages .

You might, but does the army that you might command? How will you tend to their wounds? Handing out health poultices seems like an expensive thing to do...

I just need the help of the Qunari (and THEIR mages). 

The circle is round. You need mages.

[Nole]

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

There won't be a threat once I have killed all the mages in DA:I. huehuehue.

There will be. It's called the darkspawn. And they will end the world next Blight, thanks to you. (I find it really amazing that I keep having to point out that mages are needed to deal with them. I didn't think this detail was that obscure.)

What are you talking about, I killed the mages of the Circle and recieved help from the templars. I also never used a mage in my party, so I think I can handle the Darkspawns without the mages .

You might, but does the army that you might command? How will you tend to their wounds? Handing out health poultices seems like an expensive thing to do...

I just need the help of the Qunari (and THEIR mages). 

The circle is round. You need mages.

But those mages cannot do anything but obey me.

[thats1evildude]

Tarek wrote...

its a great idea that way all the people born with magic abilities will be not be in any circle and will eventually grow so powerful in secret that they will go tventir imperim on the world again

Mages need training to harness their abilities. Mages who don't learn how to use magic tend to go insane or get possessed by demons. If we abolish the Circles and simply kill or make Tranquil every person showing magical talent in Thedas, then there will never be a Tevinter Imperium.

This is the glorious new world that Anders made possible. At last, no more pretending that a compromise was possible. If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a mage's face forever.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 13 juin 2013 - 09:22 .

[Tinu]

WittingEight65 wrote...

But those mages cannot do anything but obey me.

So if you were born with magic, then you would find it normal that other people oppress you? Simply because you were born with it? 

Modifié par TinuHawke, 13 juin 2013 - 09:19 .

[Beerfish]

Redcliffe. End of story. There are boat loads of other examples but that one is a beacon. Mages are a great danger by their very nature. As people they are no moe dangerous than any other sector. There are good and bad templars, good and bad inn keepers, warriors, lords. etc etc.

The unfortunate thing for mages is not as much the power they wield but the potential damage if they are taken over by a demon, through no fault of their own.

I'll restate something I've said a number of times about this. Don't think of this as if you were a templar, or a mage, or a member of the chantry. Look at it through the eyes of the common citizen or part of a group that has no stake with either power group.

You will have a significant % of the people who see the control of mages as necessary, even if they sympathize with them. This was a real basis in the early talk about Dragon Age in general, magic viewed with suspicion.

[Nole]

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

But those mages cannot do anything but obey me.

So if you were born with magic, then you would find it normal that other people oppress you? Simply because you were born with it? 

Sorry, I'm not a mage.

[Tinu]

WittingEight65 wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

But those mages cannot do anything but obey me.

So if you were born with magic, then you would find it normal that other people oppress you? Simply because you were born with it? 

Sorry, I'm not a mage.

 You don't chose to be a mage!