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[Jackums]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

JackumsD wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@LobselVith8: So you basically just said that Circle mages are NOT treated like animals.

If Circle mages are more powerful than Qunari mages.
And the Qunari mages are weaker because they are treated like animals.
Then Circle mages could not also be treated like animals.

We agree about something - I feel a connection.

It was hardly an absolute statement. The Circle mages can most certainly be treated like animals, albeit not as harshly as the saarebas are treated by the Qunari. There are degrees of severity.

yes because of one templar wanting to make sex slaves of female mages make all templars evil... lets do this with mages as well, because Anders blew up the chantery mages are all evil because of 1 man. lets appy this to "normal" people Because logain got the king killed, and made a coup, and took over the kingdom. Thus all men are evil, because of Marjolaine is a backstabing paroind lunitc all women are backstabing paroid lunitics...

that kind of logic gets us no where....

None of what you just said was relevant to my post.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
He's talking about the Joining, where mages are needed.
edit:

False.

Joining = drinking archdemon blood

If no archdemon blood is availalbe, THEN drinking darkspawn blood who's potency has been boosted (by lyrium or magic I belive)

As long as you have archdemon blood, no mages are necessary....and archdemons have a LOT of blood in them.

I seem to recall Alistair saying something about the ritual requiring the mages and the lyrium, and he doesn't know what else (ie, that drop of blood from the Archdemon.)

[Lotion Soronarr]

Nah, Riordan just uses Archedmon blood from the vault for Loghain.

The Wardens joining used darkspawn blood, thus needed boosting.

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

hhh89 wrote...
He's talking about the Joining, where mages are needed.
edit:

False.

Joining = drinking archdemon blood

If no archdemon blood is availalbe, THEN drinking darkspawn blood who's potency has been boosted (by lyrium or magic I belive)

As long as you have archdemon blood, no mages are necessary....and archdemons have a LOT of blood in them.

 Even if you dont need archdemon blood its not possible for human armies to destroy darkspawn armies without mages. And dont say battle of Denerim because the armies you collected where losing and the only reason you win is because you killed the archdemon.

Modifié par DKJaigen, 14 juin 2013 - 07:35 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

What about the battle of Vigil's Keep or Amaranthine?

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 juin 2013 - 07:49 .

[DKJaigen]

Jedi Master of Orion wrote...

What about the battle of Vigil's Keep or Amaranthine?

Cannot be compared to a blight because they lacked the numbers. Also the darkspawn themselves where in civil war. Even so the darkspawn nearly won. And i will remind you that thx to discipels both the legion and grey wardens where wiped out.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Captain Garavel says that it's "just like the Blight, maybe worse" when describing the darkspawn armies marching across the lands near Amaranthine and Vigil's Keep.

[Lotion Soronarr]

DKJaigen wrote...

 Even if you dont need archdemon blood its not possible for human armies to destroy darkspawn armies without mages. And dont say battle of Denerim because the armies you collected where losing and the only reason you win is because you killed the archdemon.

Yes it is.
Darkspawn die when stabbed like everyone else.

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

 Even if you dont need archdemon blood its not possible for human armies to destroy darkspawn armies without mages. And dont say battle of Denerim because the armies you collected where losing and the only reason you win is because you killed the archdemon.

Yes it is.
Darkspawn die when stabbed like everyone else.

Yet one fireball kills dozens of darkspawn in matter of seconds. cover mages in any battle and its auto victory.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Yeah right..


1 mage or 100 archers?

ARCHERS PLEASE

[IanPolaris]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yeah right..


1 mage or 100 archers?

ARCHERS PLEASE

Not necessarily.  A mage can do multiple things often very well.  A single mage with a fireball is probably about as effective at troop dispersal as a company of archers....but a mage can also heal or do other things as well.

Mages in war probably should be handled much like special artillery units, i.e. units that need mundane protection but if protected can lay down a truckload of damage or otherwise provide extremely effective fire support for their numbers.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  In the mage background in DAO, Duncan outright says he wants to use mages in almost exactly this way by giving every unit at least some mage support which is why 7 mages was grossly inadequate.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 14 juin 2013 - 11:06 .

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yeah right..


1 mage or 100 archers?

ARCHERS PLEASE

This is easly settled in DA2. Anders is the most overpowered companion ever. Apart from healing and ress in combat, his dps is the highest among all other companions even Hawke. When vengeance is active he deals 25% more damage with everything including auto attacks, his friendship bonus adds 10% more to the table which makes it 35% increase to all damage not to mention his cooldowns become ready much faster and can sacrifice health to make cooldown become faster even more faster and when he kills someone he is healed by ****load amount of hp. Sebstians is as useless as ****** on a male human.

Mage 1 Archer 0.

Hawke + Anders is succesful party, no matter who else you bring with yourself, even on nighmare.

Modifié par Rassler, 14 juin 2013 - 12:21 .

[TCBC_Freak]

Rassler wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Filament wrote...

This mage threat-

Yeah, it was probably a templar who did that. They've clearly been dipping into the Red Lyrium again.

There is no proof mages did that, too much death usually opens the veil automatically.  Even so a group of mages did that who were probably gery warden as grey warden are known to do anything it takes to win a war, nothing is extreme to them. Not all mages should be judged for that.

I hate to go back two whole pages but;

You saying that if the Grey Warden Mages did this and they aren't bound by the same rules and will do anything to win, then you can't blame mages as a whole... which I agree with... BUT, then folks (not sure if the person who posted this has ever said so but many people do) say that because one Templar in Kirkwall wanted to kill all mages when Blood mages were going crazy in the city and in fact there was evidence that even the head enchanter was a blood mage we should desolve the Templar order or worse?

I pose this question to all of you; you see the hypocrisy right? Because most pro-mage folks can't, I'm honestly asking. And it's at the core a yes or no question. Remember that - do you, or do you not, see the double standared?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rassler wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yeah right..


1 mage or 100 archers?

ARCHERS PLEASE

This is easly settled in DA2. Anders is the most overpowered companion ever. Apart from healing and ress in combat, his dps is the highest among all other companions even Hawke. When vengeance is active he deals 25% more damage with everything including auto attacks, his friendship bonus adds 10% more to the table which makes it 35% increase to all damage not to mention his cooldowns become ready much faster and can sacrifice health to make cooldown become faster even more faster and when he kills someone he is healed by ****load amount of hp. Sebstians is as useless as ****** on a male human.

Mage 1 Archer 0.

Hawke + Anders is succesful party, no matter who else you bring with yourself, even on nighmare.

...


I mean...seriously? You try to use gameplay balance as an argument? That is beyond stupid.

And even if we're to go by that logic, for every Anders I will have 100 Sebastians.

[Lulupab]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Who is that Masked Man wrote...

Filament wrote...

This mage threat-

Yeah, it was probably a templar who did that. They've clearly been dipping into the Red Lyrium again.

There is no proof mages did that, too much death usually opens the veil automatically.  Even so a group of mages did that who were probably gery warden as grey warden are known to do anything it takes to win a war, nothing is extreme to them. Not all mages should be judged for that.

I hate to go back two whole pages but;

You saying that if the Grey Warden Mages did this and they aren't bound by the same rules and will do anything to win, then you can't blame mages as a whole... which I agree with... BUT, then folks (not sure if the person who posted this has ever said so but many people do) say that because one Templar in Kirkwall wanted to kill all mages when Blood mages were going crazy in the city and in fact there was evidence that even the head enchanter was a blood mage we should desolve the Templar order or worse?

I pose this question to all of you; you see the hypocrisy right? Because most pro-mage folks can't, I'm honestly asking. And it's at the core a yes or no question. Remember that - do you, or do you not, see the double standared?

You are right about merdith but not totally right, she wanted to annul the circle cause of actions of Anders, one mage who had nothing to with other mages merdith wants to kill. She doesn't even care if you keep Anders alive she just want to kill as much as mages as possible. AND many other templars are supporting her including Cullen.

Modifié par Rassler, 14 juin 2013 - 01:50 .

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Yeah right..


1 mage or 100 archers?

ARCHERS PLEASE

This is easly settled in DA2. Anders is the most overpowered companion ever. Apart from healing and ress in combat, his dps is the highest among all other companions even Hawke. When vengeance is active he deals 25% more damage with everything including auto attacks, his friendship bonus adds 10% more to the table which makes it 35% increase to all damage not to mention his cooldowns become ready much faster and can sacrifice health to make cooldown become faster even more faster and when he kills someone he is healed by ****load amount of hp. Sebstians is as useless as ****** on a male human.

Mage 1 Archer 0.

Hawke + Anders is succesful party, no matter who else you bring with yourself, even on nighmare.

...


I mean...seriously? You try to use gameplay balance as an argument? That is beyond stupid.

And even if we're to go by that logic, for every Anders I will have 100 Sebastians.

No it is not stupid. Mages > Archers anytime, anywhere. Fine you get 100 sebastian for ever Anders I have but they are not gonna battle each other they gonna support the armies. 1 Armagedeon spell is enough to kill over 500 sebastians over battle field. + 5 explosions of Justice specifc bombs since they come free with Anders package.

Modifié par Rassler, 14 juin 2013 - 01:51 .

[TK514]

Rassler wrote...

You are right about merdith but not totally right, she wanted to annul the circle cause of actions of Anders, one mage who had nothing to with other mages merdith wants to kill. She doesn't even care if you keep Anders alive she just want to kill as much as mages as possible. AND many other templars are supporting her including Cullen.

She had already sent to request Annulment before Anders blew up the Chantry.  All he did was convince her not to wait.

[Lulupab]

TK514 wrote...

Rassler wrote...

You are right about merdith but not totally right, she wanted to annul the circle cause of actions of Anders, one mage who had nothing to with other mages merdith wants to kill. She doesn't even care if you keep Anders alive she just want to kill as much as mages as possible. AND many other templars are supporting her including Cullen.

She had already sent to request Annulment before Anders blew up the Chantry.  All he did was convince her not to wait.

Yeah but the point is she was not alone in it and many templars along with her can be Judged for her actions while its not the case for the mages. Even Cullen because it took him and many other Templars who turned on Meredith TOO long to realize she has lost it. They get at least half the blame for starting the war and the death of innocents

[TCBC_Freak]

Rassler wrote...

You are right about merdith but not totally right, she wanted to annul the circle cause of actions of Anders, one mage who had nothing to with other mages merdith wants to kill. She doesn't even care if you keep Anders alive she just want to kill as much as mages as possible. AND many other templars are supporting her including Cullen.

Fully agree, I have a whole page worth of old posts I did about how she wasn't a zealot with good intent who got lost in a bad situation as some pro-Templar people claim, but she was literally psychotic because of the red lyrium sword. That coupled with her already over paranoid mind just was a time bomb waiting to go off.

But you do agree that blaming the whole group because of teh actions of a few, or even more so one is not the way we should discuses this topic?

[Beerfish]

Sontemuka wrote...

Peer of the Empire wrote...

Fine, live and let live, a bunch of walking arsenals likely to be possessed by demons

Be less autistic please

Alright, then the only choices are apply the right of annulment on all Circles and/or kill every mage born and unborn and problem solved. If the mages are "a bunch of walking arsenals likely to be possessed by demons", the Chantry and the Templar Order's existence are senseless.

That is EXACTLY what half of the free citizens would like to have happen actually.  Put them all to the sword.  Also there is an ongoing presumption that all mages are of the school of wanting freedom.  Not so, a good many are just as afraid of their magic as others are content in the circle.

[imbs]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

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I mean...seriously? You try to use gameplay balance as an argument? That is beyond stupid.

And even if we're to go by that logic, for every Anders I will have 100 Sebastians.

epic meem m8

[TCBC_Freak]

Rassler wrote...


No it is not stupid. Mages > Archers anytime, anywhere. Fine you get 100 sebastian for ever Anders I have but they are not gonna battle each other they gonna support the armies. 1 Armagedeon spell is enough to kill over 500 sebastians over battle field. + 5 explosions of Justice specifc bombs since they come free with Anders package.

What about 100 Varrics? He's an archer....... technically, lol:innocent:

[Lulupab]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Rassler wrote...


No it is not stupid. Mages > Archers anytime, anywhere. Fine you get 100 sebastian for ever Anders I have but they are not gonna battle each other they gonna support the armies. 1 Armagedeon spell is enough to kill over 500 sebastians over battle field. + 5 explosions of Justice specifc bombs since they come free with Anders package.

What about 100 Varrics? He's an archer....... technically, lol:innocent:

Varric's unique abilities (marksman tree )are not bad at all but royal archer is useless, too bad as Varric himself mentions there is only one automatic crossbow in the world and its bianca and she belongs to Varric.

[eyesheild21]

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

TinuHawke wrote...

WittingEight65 wrote...

But those mages cannot do anything but obey me.

So if you were born with magic, then you would find it normal that other people oppress you? Simply because you were born with it? 

Sorry, I'm not a mage.

 You don't chose to be a mage!

True but you chose to stay one theirs always the loving and peaceful tranquility option.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Rassler wrote...
1 Armagedeon spell is enough to kill over 500 sebastians over battle field. + 5 explosions of Justice specifc bombs since they come free with Anders package.

Going by the game? No.