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[Rayndorn]

 I can see it now. The Dwarves getting sick of the Mage-Templar wars and just killing ALL Humans and Elves. There you go. No more magical children can be born! A Dwarven Thedas would be...

beautiful. 

[LobselVith8]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

I hate to go back two whole pages but;

You saying that if the Grey Warden Mages did this and they aren't bound by the same rules and will do anything to win, then you can't blame mages as a whole... which I agree with... BUT, then folks (not sure if the person who posted this has ever said so but many people do) say that because one Templar in Kirkwall wanted to kill all mages when Blood mages were going crazy in the city and in fact there was evidence that even the head enchanter was a blood mage we should desolve the Templar order or worse?

I pose this question to all of you; you see the hypocrisy right? Because most pro-mage folks can't, I'm honestly asking. And it's at the core a yes or no question. Remember that - do you, or do you not, see the double standared? 

I doubt Meredith is the only reason for many people who don't support what's done to the mages living under the rule of the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. She's referenced as an example of how dangerous a templar can be when the Chantry gives dominion over mages to the Templar Order in the name of the Andrastian religion. And when Meredith wants to condemn hundreds of men, women, and children to death for the actions of one single man, it's simply one of many reasons that make me abhor the Chantry controlled Circle.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

 Even if you dont need archdemon blood its not possible for human armies to destroy darkspawn armies without mages. And dont say battle of Denerim because the armies you collected where losing and the only reason you win is because you killed the archdemon.

Yes it is.
Darkspawn die when stabbed like everyone else.

And they shoot arrows and have mages of their own, and they have numbers. Remember when Jaigen said the armies were losing?

Also, I've never heard it said that the mages aren't necessary if you use Archdemon blood, and have heard from Alistair that mages are pretty much necessary. Could you say where you got that, please?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 juin 2013 - 05:58 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

LobselVith8 wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

I hate to go back two whole pages but;

You saying that if the Grey Warden Mages did this and they aren't bound by the same rules and will do anything to win, then you can't blame mages as a whole... which I agree with... BUT, then folks (not sure if the person who posted this has ever said so but many people do) say that because one Templar in Kirkwall wanted to kill all mages when Blood mages were going crazy in the city and in fact there was evidence that even the head enchanter was a blood mage we should desolve the Templar order or worse?

I pose this question to all of you; you see the hypocrisy right? Because most pro-mage folks can't, I'm honestly asking. And it's at the core a yes or no question. Remember that - do you, or do you not, see the double standared? 

I doubt Meredith is the only reason for many people who don't support what's done to the mages living under the rule of the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. She's referenced as an example of how dangerous a templar can be when the Chantry gives dominion over mages to the Templar Order in the name of the Andrastian religion. And when Meredith wants to condemn hundreds of men, women, and children to death for the actions of one single man, it's simply one of many reasons that make me abhor the Chantry controlled Circle.

Don't forget that we have from Gaider she would have been called on the carpet. This isn't the way the Chantry does things. (Or it's not supposed to be.)

[Lotion Soronarr]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I doubt Meredith is the only reason for many people who don't support what's done to the mages living under the rule of the Andrastian Chantry and the Templar Order. She's referenced as an example of how dangerous a templar can be when the Chantry gives dominion over mages to the Templar Order in the name of the Andrastian religion. And when Meredith wants to condemn hundreds of men, women, and children to death for the actions of one single man, it's simply one of many reasons that make me abhor the Chantry controlled Circle.

That was the excuse, not the real reason.

The Cirlce was deemed corrupted, and the RoA was contemplated before Anders.
Also, Meredith was driven insane by the idol.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yes it is.
Darkspawn die when stabbed like everyone else.

And they shoot arrows and have mages of their own, and they have numbers. Remember when Jaigen said the armies were losing?

Also, I've never heard it said that the mages aren't necessary if you use Archdemon blood, and have heard from Alistair that mages are pretty much necessary. Could you say where you got that, please?

And darkspawn still die.

Not having mages makes the battle harder, but harldy impossible.

Numbers, equipment and tactics/strategy. That decides a battle.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Hazasaurus98 wrote...

 I can see it now. The Dwarves getting sick of the Mage-Templar wars and just killing ALL Humans and Elves. There you go. No more magical children can be born! A Dwarven Thedas would be...

beautiful. 

Perhaps they should submit to the Qun.

it was already late for missionary this ammoral and stupid piece of ****  when you already attack Tevinter with large Dwarven Orzammar embassy's

and forget about Dwarves who would kill mages, because they will always would be more valuable for dwarves than non-mages of other races

[azarhal]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, Meredith was driven insane by the idol.

We have no proof of that actually. It's only speculation (by both players and Varic). She might have been that insane without the idol.

[Asdrubael Vect]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


And darkspawn still die.

Not having mages makes the battle harder, but harldy impossible.

Numbers, equipment and tactics/strategy. That decides a battle.

orly so say me how you will kill Darkspawns(who will always would have many mages) and Archdemon without mages-the only ones who can create Grey Wardens with blood magic

how you will heal taint infection(from peoples and earth) or serious injuries and diseases

how you will fight with army of demons especially when they  will start to open portlas...and how you will close portals without magic

numbers is darkspawns advantage when 1 broodmother can create thousands of darkspawns.....and darkspawns are not so mindless and we see that they have strategy

do not forget that the fight blight was just Architect mistake not a real blight...even that many  kingdoms do not belive than Ferelden have a 5th blight

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 14 juin 2013 - 07:14 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Yes it is.
Darkspawn die when stabbed like everyone else.

And they shoot arrows and have mages of their own, and they have numbers. Remember when Jaigen said the armies were losing?

Also, I've never heard it said that the mages aren't necessary if you use Archdemon blood, and have heard from Alistair that mages are pretty much necessary. Could you say where you got that, please?

And darkspawn still die.

Not having mages makes the battle harder, but harldy impossible.

Numbers, equipment and tactics/strategy. That decides a battle.

The darkspawn have numbers, and as for equipment they have ogres and emissaries. It seems to me that superior equipment and strategy can only go so far unless you have the force to back it up, for which mages are a nice start.

And you're not citing a source for your assertion that the Archdemon blood makes mages unneccesary. Is that because you don't have one and were just guessing? If the mages are necessary for the Joining, (and in the absence of your source I'd have to say they almost certainly are) you can leave out all the rest; the only other way to defeat the Blight would be to kill literally every darkspawn, and the dwarves have been trying that since before it was cool.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 juin 2013 - 07:06 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Morocco Mole wrote...

To become part of the Grey Wardens, a recruit must first go through a ritual called the Joining. One of the reasons for the small number of Grey Wardens is that few can survive this ritual. Only those who have a decent chance of surviving the Joining will even be made recruits. The ritual and the details about it are kept a strict secret by the Grey Wardens, because during the Joining, the recruits drink from a goblet containing a mixture of darkspawn blood, lyrium, and a drop of blood from an archdemon. Few survive this, but those who live become Grey Wardens — forever connected to the darkspawn, and forever tainted by the blood they have consumed.

And according to Alistair, who might be expected to know, mages are needed.

[Il Divo]

^I'm sure the Templars just love that.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Morocco Mole wrote...

 Forgot a part

Becoming a Grey Warden requires a dose of the darkspawn corruption in sufficient potency to have an immediate effect, rather than slowly corrupt the consumer into a ghoul. While archdemon blood is typically used, blood of other darkspawn creatures can also be magically treated to make it function in the ritual. However, the average darkspawn doesn't have enough of the corruption within it for this to work.

Mages may be used to enhance the corruption when there isn't any arch demon blood available

Except there was some available. The Ferelden Wardens had some in Denerim. Unless you're suggesting that they didn't bother bringing any to Ostagar? If, as you suggest, it lets you skip having mages, then they would use it in order to keep the Joining's nature between as small a group as possible.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 juin 2013 - 07:25 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Il Divo wrote...

^I'm sure the Templars just love that.

I'm sure the higher ranking Templars know exactly how the world requires they ignore it, since it is very unlikely the Templars never found out.

[Dave of Canada]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Or you could just start advancing technology now that you don't have magic causing stagnation

Once that's down, we can start following Orsino's brilliant suggestion and drown mages.

[Lotion Soronarr]

azarhal wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, Meredith was driven insane by the idol.

We have no proof of that actually. It's only speculation (by both players and Varic). She might have been that insane without the idol.

Given that the idols drives everyone insance, and that even templars comment on how she was getting more and more extreeme.... yeah, I'd say it's a safe bet.
Otherwise, what was the point of the idol AT ALL?

[Asdrubael Vect]

Mabari is smart war hounds who was created by Tevinters(who also create Grey Wardens) and they have some natural taint/diseases resistence

Modifié par Dark Korsar, 14 juin 2013 - 07:37 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

The Grey Wardens were originally soldiers from the Anderfels who renounced allegiance to the Imperium.

[Abraham_uk]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders doesn't care if it's futile, he's a lunatic that believes it's better to go down fighting than remaining in the Circles.

Here is what I understood. Correct me if I'm wrong (I am wrong quite a lot).


Awakening Anders + Awakening Justice = Completly different person with aspects of both Anders & Justice.


I call this abomination of an individual Anju.

Anders and Justice ceased to be when they merged. So I can't blame either for blowing up the chantry. I blame Anju for the blowing up of the Chantry.

Anders was a reasonable person. A whiny carbon copy of Alistair with magical powers.
Justice was a morally grew spirit with some serious issues.

Anju has both the memories of Anders and Justice. But Anju is neither Anders or Justice. Anju is a completly different character, with different feelings and emotions. Darker and sinister character with some of the traits of Anders and Justice.

But both Anders and Justice died during the merger. Anju is a different person.

[Tinu]

Abraham_uk wrote...

But both Anders and Justice died during the merger. Anju is a different person.

Interesting viewpoint, but I have to dissagree with the fact that they both died. I think, if we could, enter the fade and make Justice leave Anders his body. So Anders might return like he was and that he won't remember what he did (like we did with Connor in the Fade)