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[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Morocco Mole wrote...

*shrugs* Well I had to collect to samples of darkspawn blood for the Joining. This is probably one of those things the writers didn't think about too much. Like curing the mabari's blight.

Except that we already knew it was mostly regular darkspawn blood in the chalice, from the other passage you cited. The fact that you had to collect darkspawn blood doesn't add any information.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 14 juin 2013 - 08:05 .

[Kaosbuddy]

azarhal wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Also, Meredith was driven insane by the idol.

We have no proof of that actually. It's only speculation (by both players and Varic). She might have been that insane without the idol.

Going by Cullen's foreshadowing at the start of Act 2, it's the idol. "I'm afraid she's become more reclusive since you came to Kirkwall, Hawke.These last three years especially, she's been very suspicious of outside influences. I almost wonder if something happened."

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Also most forms of insanity don't cause glowing red eyes and magical summoning powers.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 14 juin 2013 - 08:44 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

Morocco Mole wrote...

Mages may be used to enhance the corruption when there isn't any arch demon blood available

Except there was some available. The Ferelden Wardens had some in Denerim. Unless you're suggesting that they didn't bother bringing any to Ostagar? If, as you suggest, it lets you skip having mages, then they would use it in order to keep the Joining's nature between as small a group as possible.

IIRC, the Denerim vault was sealed and wasn't opened till later.

Also, I'd reckon the Archdemon blood is valubale, so why use it if you don't have to?

[Lotion Soronarr]

Dark Korsar wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


And darkspawn still die.

Not having mages makes the battle harder, but harldy impossible.

Numbers, equipment and tactics/strategy. That decides a battle.

orly so say me how you will kill Darkspawns(who will always would have many mages) and Archdemon without mages-the only ones who can create Grey Wardens with blood magic

how you will heal taint infection(from peoples and earth) or serious injuries and diseases

how you will fight with army of demons especially when they  will start to open portlas...and how you will close portals without magic

numbers is darkspawns advantage when 1 broodmother can create thousands of darkspawns.....and darkspawns are not so mindless and we see that they have strategy

1) You don't need mages to create grey wardens. You can kill the darkspawn without them. You only need the Grey Warden for hte Archdemon. So you only need a few.

2) Taint infection cannot be healed (that we know off). Injuries and desease? the old-fashioned way. MEDICAL SCIENCE!

3) Mages and abominations open the portals. No mages, no portals.

4) Other races have better strategy and equipment and are less mindless.

[Steppenwolf]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Anders doesn't care if it's futile, he's a lunatic that believes it's better to go down fighting than remaining in the Circles.

That doesn't make you a lunatic at all. It's merely human to rebel against captivity and persecution. Anders is a lunatic for killing innocent people to make a point. He's not a lunatic for demanding freedom.

[BlueMagitek]

There is no freedom in Thedas.

[Steppenwolf]

BlueMagitek wrote...

There is no freedom in Thedas.

Of course there is. No one is rounding up farmers or shopkeepers and imprisoning them. The only people in Thedas who aren't free are the slaves, the mages in the Circles and arguably the Qunari.

[BlueMagitek]

Except for nobility and guardsmen, who can do whatever they want to peasants.

Free people of Thedas :

Upper level nobility
Potentially successful bards
Grand Clerics

Bound people of Thedas :

Everyone else.

[Steppenwolf]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for nobility and guardsmen, who can do whatever they want to peasants.

Free people of Thedas :

Upper level nobility
Potentially successful bards
Grand Clerics

Bound people of Thedas :

Everyone else.

That's ridiculous. By that reasoning celebrities and the ultra-wealthy of the real world are the only ones who are free. We're victim to the whims of governments and corporations so we're not free, right?

[BlueMagitek]

BasilKarlo wrote...

That's ridiculous. By that reasoning celebrities and the ultra-wealthy of the real world are the only ones who are free. We're victim to the whims of governments and corporations so we're not free, right?

When your government has the right to regularily purge you (Alienages), treat you as a non entity (Casteless), have no safeguards in place for abuse from nobility (commoners), you have no power to choose or influence your leader (commoners to merchants), you are not free.

But please, go tell the women being legally raped that they are free.

[TCBC_Freak]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Except for nobility and guardsmen, who can do whatever they want to peasants.

Free people of Thedas :

Upper level nobility
Potentially successful bards
Grand Clerics

Bound people of Thedas :

Everyone else.

In Ferelden this isn't fully true, there is a lot more freedom there; probably a byproduct from the Orlesian occupation but they have a lot of freedom when the rest of the world doesn't. It's like Ferelden is 17-18th century England, kind of the height of their rights before what we consider modern human rights being adopted. The rest of the world is at a stage like England under the control of the Roman Empire.

Just thought I'd bring it up, but it's kind of how I've always seen it and If you've played the Dragon Age PnP RPG by Green Ronin it pretty much says this exactly. Ferelden is kind of ahead of it's time, as it were.

[Steppenwolf]

BlueMagitek wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...

That's ridiculous. By that reasoning celebrities and the ultra-wealthy of the real world are the only ones who are free. We're victim to the whims of governments and corporations so we're not free, right?

When your government has the right to regularily purge you (Alienages), treat you as a non entity (Casteless), have no safeguards in place for abuse from nobility (commoners), you have no power to choose or influence your leader (commoners to merchants), you are not free.

This is all nonsense. No one forces anyone to stay in Orzammar, stay under the thumb of nobility, etc. They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation, which is the definition of freedom.

BlueMagitek wrote...

But please, go tell the women being legally raped that they are free.

What the hell are you talking about?

[BlueMagitek]

BasilKarlo wrote...

This is all nonsense. No one forces anyone to stay in Orzammar, stay under the thumb of nobility, etc. They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation, which is the definition of freedom.

What the hell are you talking about?

You're right, the ability to join the Legion of the Dead or the Carta is truly freedom.  You have opened my eyes to the glories of Thedas.  I remember now how the peasantry of Redcliffe were reimbursed with forced conscription instead of any form of boon when Connor slaughtered a large amount of them and raised them as undead.  I remember when Vaughn was rightfully punished by a legal system, and I remember when women didn't have to flee the country, leaving behind everything they know in order to not be legally raped.   Thedas is a golden bastion of freedom and opportunity, denied only to mages and mages alone.

Please play Dragon Age Origins again.

[BlueMagitek]

Chevaliers, Morocco.

[BlueMagitek]

And man. There are female and gay chevaliers as well. Don't be sexist now.

[Steppenwolf]

Chevaliers are only in Orlais, the dwarves in Orzammar can leave the city for the surface any time they choose, elves can leave the cities, etc. You said there was no freedom in Thedas. That's obviously not true.

[GodWood]

BasilKarlo wrote...
This is all nonsense. No one forces anyone to stay in Orzammar, stay under the thumb of nobility, etc. They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation, which is the definition of freedom.

Stupid starving kids in Africa.

They should stop being stupid and starving and just move away and be rich.

[Steppenwolf]

GodWood wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
This is all nonsense. No one forces anyone to stay in Orzammar, stay under the thumb of nobility, etc. They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation, which is the definition of freedom.

Stupid starving kids in Africa.

They should stop being stupid and starving and just move away and be rich.

That's a ridiculous response. I never implied anything like that. If wild hyperbole is the only response you guys can muster then why bother responding at all?

[GodWood]

BasilKarlo wrote...

GodWood wrote...

BasilKarlo wrote...
This is all nonsense. No one forces anyone to stay in Orzammar, stay under the thumb of nobility, etc. They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation, which is the definition of freedom.

Stupid starving kids in Africa.

They should stop being stupid and starving and just move away and be rich.

That's a ridiculous response. I never implied anything like that. If wild hyperbole is the only response you guys can muster then why bother responding at all?

No one forces anyone to stay in Orzammar, stay under the thumb of nobility, etc. They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation

They have the ability to leave and change their role in the situation

You said it yourself; the casteless can just stop being poor, move away and become rich.

Filament wrote...
lol we have literally reached the 'you have no right to complain because there are starving kids in Africa' argument now.

Your reading comprehension is terrible.

Modifié par GodWood, 15 juin 2013 - 12:16 .

[BlueMagitek]

BasilKarlo wrote...

Chevaliers are only in Orlais, the dwarves in Orzammar can leave the city for the surface any time they choose, elves can leave the cities, etc. You said there was no freedom in Thedas. That's obviously not true.

If the Casteless leave, which there seems to be a stigma of, they lose their stone sense.  They lose what makes them dwarves. 

How about this, if a mage loses all connection to the fade without their emotions, they can leave the Circle just fine.  Is that adequate for you?

Pol was a strange exception.  

But if you want to use "freedom" as "any minimum of free action is freedom" then the Mages have plenty of freedom.  They can choose death, tranquility, which book to read, which spell to learn, if they want to play pranks on the Templar, etc.