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[CynicalShep]

KaiserShep wrote...

Technically the dock worker confirms it no matter what

Don't ruin it!

The testimony of a traumatized dock worker is hardly compelling evidence. 
I remember Tela Vasir saying that she wasn't fast enough to save Liara's contact. 
I know! The dock worker himself shot Nihlus and framed Saren! That's why Saren was so pissed.

[CynicalShep]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

@ Hazegurl: Saren killing Nihlus is not cannon. We only see him pointing the gun at him but then the cut-scene stops. I recon Nihlus might have killed himself because he couldn't save all the colonists and Saren became the villain because he experienced the suicide of his good friend. He even says as much in the dialogue with the council. Hurrdurr

For a second, I almost took your post seriously.

Don't ever change. 

I sincerely hope I'll become less childish in 5-10 years 

[Hazegurl]

CynicalShep wrote...

@ Hazegurl: Saren killing Nihlus is not cannon. We only see him pointing the gun at him but then the cut-scene stops. I recon Nihlus might have killed himself because he couldn't save all the colonists and Saren became the villain because he experienced the suicide of his good friend. He even says as much in the dialogue with the council. Hurrdurr

sigh, just when I thought I was out I get pulled back in.

Once again, it's not the same. We know Saren kills Nihlus even if we don't see it. It's pretty much confirmed. I never said Liara recovering Shep's body isn't canon. I said It didn't happen in MY game for MY shepard (a point that is missed multiple times) because the devs make it easy for me to opt not to have it. I don't get what the big deal is. You act like this isn't a freaking rpg game. I swear you are all the same people who claim Liara is Shepard's canon LI and therefore everyone must romance her too based soley on that. Well no I don't.  That's the writers Shepard. Not mine. But whatever, continue on missing the point.

[Urdnot Amenark]

Liara.

[CynicalShep]

Hazegurl wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

@ Hazegurl: Saren killing Nihlus is not cannon. We only see him pointing the gun at him but then the cut-scene stops. I recon Nihlus might have killed himself because he couldn't save all the colonists and Saren became the villain because he experienced the suicide of his good friend. He even says as much in the dialogue with the council. Hurrdurr

sigh, just when I thought I was out I get pulled back in.

Once again, it's not the same. We know Saren kills Nihlus even if we don't see it. It's pretty much confirmed. I never said Liara recovering Shep's body isn't canon. I said It didn't happen in MY game for MY shepard (a point that is missed multiple times) because the devs make it easy for me to opt not to have it. I don't get what the big deal is. You act like this isn't a freaking rpg game. I swear you are all the same people who claim Liara is Shepard's canon LI and therefore everyone must romance her too based soley on that. Well no I don't.  That's the writers Shepard. Not mine. But whatever, continue on missing the point.

It is an RPG (auto-dialogue and forced emotions aside). That's the whole point. Shepard has no canon LI as far as I know (unless there's one in the books which I didn't read). RPGs encourage you to roleplay, to create a Shepard and imagine what he/she is thinking and rationalize your actions. You are free to imagine whatever you want but a fact is a fact. My example, while clearly used as a joke, is no less valid than yours. You chose to miss the evidence in the game because it doesn't fit your headcanon. That's perfectly acceptable, it is an RPG. This whole argument is happening because what you call "my canon" is simply not canon. It's valid for you but it's headcanon nonetheless. You guys are arguing semantics.

[Anthadlas]

silverexile17s wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

remydat wrote...

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Alchera

Planet's atmosphere is thicker than Earth and includes the highly flammable Methane and Amonnia. And no you cannot prove it because we don't know the heat involved in the ME1` scenarios and re-entry into Alchera.

I said pieces broke off because that is the only way for Legion to have a piece since he got his piece on Alchera. And the fact all those things happen to his armor and he does not sustain a crack but Legion gets a piece from Alchera as a result of either a piece coming apart on reentry or impact just proves that it was subjected to something greater than the examples you list in game.

And no one claimed anything about his body disintegrating on impact. I said it would likely be mush in reference to his internal organs. And the fact that .00001% of people have survived a fall when 99.99999% do not many of which suffer massive internal injuries proves nothing except the person who survies was a fluke.

You have no tangible proof of anything either because the game does not tell us or show us enough for you to have it. You are just relying on the fact that highly remote things like people suriving falls has happened before so let's ignore that 99.99999% of the time they don't and they sustain massive internal injuries.

Pretty much this.

Falling out a window is VERY different than falling from orbit. The presence of the N7 armor Legion is what clinches it for me. If we could establish that Shepard landed with armour intact I could handwave his/her survival by saying kinetic barriers, shock absorption etc.

Like Remy says, the fact that Legion has part of his armour means that it must have broken apart either during re-entry or on impact - Legion sure didn't get the armour off the Shadow Broker or Cerberus. Any impact forceful enough to split the armour would have been likely to instantly kill whoever's inside.

Is it a huge plothole? No, not really. By the standards of all 3 games I can overlook it easily enough.

Also, @Wraith 02, sorry to break this to you, but, unless Feron was being melodramatic in his recounting, the Broker had to scrape  Shepard's body back together, indicating that the Commander likely lost two of his/her limbs and likely part of his/her torso, either upper or lower, upon impact. Also, K-Barriers are programed to protect against high-velocity projectiles. They are spicifically tuned to not regester against blunt or imobile objects -- like the surface of an incoming planet. The suit V.I. is programmed to only recognize projectiles as a danger. Giant masses, or blunt surfaces, like a planet, don't regester, or pick up.
And besides, in terms of impact, hitting Alcera's surface would be like taking an M-920 Cain round full-on to the face. Which would kill you instantly if the way you're squad-mates in ME3 drop if caught in the blast-radius is any indication. Also, since you have planatary rotation to figure in, you would skid like a comet hitting the ground, causing friction damage and so-forth. So, yeah -- not a snowball's chance in hell that Shep could have lived through that.

Finally somebody who actually counters my theory using logic and facts, thank you.

One thing i would point out is that I believe kinetic barriers are triggered by the speed of the incoming projectile and not the size of it, and seeing as Shepard would be travelling over 100mph when he hit the ground they may have activated. But also strange how they can be depleted by radiation, fire and other forces that have no kinetic mass.

Irrelevent anyway as the damage is stated in the redemption novel

Still it's funny seeing how far i can go with remydat before he actually brought any evidence to the table,

Also funny how he considers the physics of a body being rebuilt after landing on a planet more unreasonable in a science fiction game and more far fetched that a spaceship being shot half way across a galaxy in a millisecond by a giant mass effect accelerator cannon built by an ancient hyperadvanced machine race xD

Modifié par Wraith 02, 18 juin 2013 - 11:44 .

[remydat]

Wraith 02 wrote...

Finally somebody who actually counters my theory using logic and facts, thank you.

One thing i would point out is that I believe kinetic barriers are triggered by the speed of the incoming projectile and not the size of it, and seeing as Shepard would be travelling over 100mph when he hit the ground they may have activated. But also strange how they can be depleted by radiation, fire and other forces that have no kinetic mass.

Irrelevent anyway as the damage is stated in the redemption novel

Still it's funny seeing how far i can go with remydat before he actually brought any evidence to the table,

Also funny how he considers the physics of a body being rebuilt after landing on a planet more unreasonable in a science fiction game and more far fetched that a spaceship being shot half way across a galaxy in a millisecond by a giant mass effect accelerator cannon built by an ancient hyperadvanced machine race xD

The topic was about plot armor and I said it was a plot armor.  It does little to impact the enjoyment of my game because I don't sit here and expect everything in the game to be perfect or perfectly explainable. 

A mass relay is not plot armor or a plot hole.  It is currently impossible science made possible by the science of MEU.  

So yeah Space Jesus is a miracle.

Modifié par remydat, 18 juin 2013 - 03:16 .

[remydat]

Silver,

Haha, I will mark this day in my calendar. Two things you and I agreed on today. Kudos in particular on reminding me of all the other damage Shep sustained.

[Anthadlas]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

Haha, I will mark this day in my calendar. Two things you and I agreed on today. Kudos in particular on reminding me of all the other damage Shep sustained.

If he was reminding you then you could have just quoted the redemption novel rather than going through 5 pages of pointless assumptions and incorrect facts :happy:

Would have saved yourself alot of time

[remydat]

Wraith 02 wrote...

If he was reminding you then you could have just quoted the redemption novel rather than going through 5 pages of pointless assumptions and incorrect facts :happy:

Would have saved yourself alot of time

The concept of someone reminding me implies I had forgetten those details.  Why would I have quoted something when I am saying I forgot about it?  You seem to be hurt by all of this.  It's the internet.  It's not that serious.

[Kunari801]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...
I vote Liara, but Kai Lame and Samantha Traynor come close.

In the EC, the Normandy has the most plot armor being face-to-face with Harbringer without even taking shot at the Normandy.   :happy:

I'd go with Kai Lang really, had that bastard nearly killed multiple times on Thessia. 

[Eckswhyzed]

remydat wrote...

Silver,

Haha, I will mark this day in my calendar. Two things you and I agreed on today. Kudos in particular on reminding me of all the other damage Shep sustained.

Holy crap I just realised that silver's agreeing with me as well.

What a strange day....

[Hazegurl]

CynicalShep wrote...

This whole argument is happening because what you call "my canon" is simply not canon. It's valid for you but it's headcanon nonetheless. You guys are arguing semantics.

Actually, I have encountered Liara fans saying stuff like "Liara is the canon LI so you should romance her...blah blah" For an rpg game, I find it strange that the devs would give us options for romances but set one character up as a default LI. Something that I do think Bioware has done a bit of with Liara which I consider more hijacking by BioWare. With all honesty, it seems like they really want to tell more of a linear story with a predefined character more than anything. If so, then they should just go ahead and go for it and not give players the illusion of choices. perhaps if they did, players wouldn't get so up in arms by another player simply saying "didn't happen for my dude."

Anyway as for the bolded, That's why I called it MY canon to begin with. Not THE canon.  I only defended why I  called it my canon to the first person who said something about it. Although it didn't do much good because everyone totally glossed over the word "my"(starting to think I should put glitter and a neon sign over it or something) and went straight to my defense it (which I think are valid reasons why I don't consider it my Shep's canon, particulary from an rpg standpoint not a metagaming one but whatever.) then claimed I was making it "the canon". BSN, I swear. smh

If it makes people feel good, I do have two Sheps that did LOTSB and Liara recovered their bodies.

[Teddie Sage]

Personally, for me, it was Kai Leng.

[o Ventus]

Hazegurl wrote...

CynicalShep wrote...

This whole argument is happening because what you call "my canon" is simply not canon. It's valid for you but it's headcanon nonetheless. You guys are arguing semantics.

Actually, I have encountered Liara fans saying stuff like "Liara is the canon LI so you should romance her...blah blah" For an rpg game, I find it strange that the devs would give us options for romances but set one character up as a default LI. Something that I do think Bioware has done a bit of with Liara which I consider more hijacking by BioWare. With all honesty, it seems like they really want to tell more of a linear story with a predefined character more than anything. If so, then they should just go ahead and go for it and not give players the illusion of choices. perhaps if they did, players wouldn't get so up in arms by another player simply saying "didn't happen for my dude."

Anyway as for the bolded, That's why I called it MY canon to begin with. Not THE canon.  I only defended why I  called it my canon to the first person who said something about it. Although it didn't do much good because everyone totally glossed over the word "my"(starting to think I should put glitter and a neon sign over it or something) and went straight to my defense it (which I think are valid reasons why I don't consider it my Shep's canon, particulary from an rpg standpoint not a metagaming one but whatever.) then claimed I was making it "the canon". BSN, I swear. smh

If it makes people feel good, I do have two Sheps that did LOTSB and Liara recovered their bodies.

The differences between the established canon and your own canon are irrelevant.

Liara still has a piece of your armor, just like how she recovered your body with Feron.

[Hazegurl]

o Ventus wrote...


The differences between the established canon and your own canon are irrelevant.

Liara still has a piece of your armor, just like how she recovered your body with Feron.

Thank you for repeating the same thing every other person has said and I'll continue to not give a shyt.

[o Ventus]

Hazegurl wrote...

o Ventus wrote...


The differences between the established canon and your own canon are irrelevant.

Liara still has a piece of your armor, just like how she recovered your body with Feron.

Thank you for repeating the same thing every other person has said and I'll continue to not give a shyt.

I said it again because you continue to disregard it.

[Major Crackhead]

Liara does, duh. She can only die if you really screw up at the end of ME3 (that is, by having a crap EMS rating or picking the Refusal ending). In every another scenario, she lives.

Liara's one of my favourite characters but that doesn't change the fact she wears some kind of anti-Grim Reaper sunscreen.

[Melra]

Liara, Liara and Liara.